Acrobat III

[The_Phenx]

BTW, I think Wiglin is correct on what we should expect to be given to Thief Acrobat. Fingers cross for third tier to make quarterstaves a Finesse weapon when equiped by Thief Acrobats since they get all those extra bumps in Dex, such as Rogue Dexterity III and Showtime's +4 Dex.

Not this argument again.

Not going to happen. They have put finesse staffs in the game for those that want to go that route. Natt Gann, Breeze, and Shining crescents.

But its a DPS loss to go finesse since you do not get the 1.5x that you do from str.

And the other staffs are considered to be english heavy staffs... blah blah same comment I've made 25 times in other threads

Showtime is broken and useless.. etc etc

[Chai]

Superior evasion FTW.

[Chai]

Not this argument again.

Not going to happen. They have put finesse staffs in the game for those that want to go that route. Natt Gann, Breeze, and Shining crescents.

But its a DPS loss to go finesse since you do not get the 1.5x that you do from str.

And the other staffs are considered to be english heavy staffs... blah blah same comment I've made 25 times in other threads

Showtime is broken and useless.. etc etc

Accrobats add their DEX mod to damage when SA w/QS.

Loss in DPS? In general, yes, but not for this PRE. I think it would make accrobat more attractive.

[Voldomar]

I think it would make accrobat more attractive.

Not at all.
Unless you can add 1.5xDex mod full time, it's a loss in dps. Period.
It would make acrobat even less attractive for those who wants something even remotely comparable to a str based assassin.

Having new (meaningful) options is always nice. Much less if they force every acrobat into a dex based build

[The_Phenx]

Not at all.
Unless you can add 1.5xDex mod full time, it's a loss in dps. Period.
It would make acrobat even less attractive for those who wants something even remotely comparable to a str based assassin.

Having new (meaningful) options is always nice. Much less if they force every acrobat into a dex based build

QFT.

With the lack of super dex boosting items and effects like they have for str... madstone.. .rage.. titans grip... etc... I you would need like a 60+ dex to even out to even what a base 32 str can achieve in terms of damage.

They put the dex damage feature in acrobat 1 and the other staffs to make these builds possible... but they will never be optimal, best for high dex monk splashes that want the worlds craziest ac with decent damage.

[kyebosh]

Multiply Sneak Attack Damage with a Q-Staff by 1.5

[The_Phenx]

Multiply Sneak Attack Damage with a Q-Staff by 1.5

LOL the deadly stealth poke?

[drac317]

LOL the deadly stealth poke?

not funny, i got in trouble for that once

[Chai]

Not at all.
Unless you can add 1.5xDex mod full time, it's a loss in dps. Period.
It would make acrobat even less attractive for those who wants something even remotely comparable to a str based assassin.

Having new (meaningful) options is always nice. Much less if they force every acrobat into a dex based build

Loss in DPS -vs- the almighty assassin, yes. Loss in DPS -vs- the same accrobat PRE we have now, no.

If quarterstaff had a twf animation supported by the feats accrobat would be alot better DPS wise, but still less than assassin due to crit range etc.

Assassin is the flat out DPS PRE. I could accept accrobat as 50% survival / 50% DPS increase PRE. It makes sense giving it superior evasion, and better QS damage, on top of knockdown immunity. Accrobat would have less DPS than a full on assassin 3 would, with more built in survivability.

[Chai]

QFT.

With the lack of super dex boosting items and effects like they have for str... madstone.. .rage.. titans grip... etc... I you would need like a 60+ dex to even out to even what a base 32 str can achieve in terms of damage.

They put the dex damage feature in acrobat 1 and the other staffs to make these builds possible... but they will never be optimal, best for high dex monk splashes that want the worlds craziest ac with decent damage.

With the number of HO rogues being cranked out with huge str, which gets x1.5 str for 2 handed weapon + 2x PA bonus + enhancements to PA, I am surprised that having a 56+ str rogue doesnt help more than it does. Then add in +10 or so points for having ~30 dex on top of that. This wont equal assassin DPS, but I still dont think its as bad as many people say it is.

Thing that sucks most about QS is they break so easily. Adamantine ritual ingredients are expensive for gearing out one toon, heh.

[Jaid314]

With the number of HO rogues being cranked out with huge str, which gets x1.5 str for 2 handed weapon + 2x PA bonus + enhancements to PA, I am surprised that having a 56+ str rogue doesnt help more than it does. Then add in +10 or so points for having ~30 dex on top of that. This wont equal assassin DPS, but I still dont think its as bad as many people say it is.

Thing that sucks most about QS is they break so easily. Adamantine ritual ingredients are expensive for gearing out one toon, heh.

you've noticed that too?

i can only speculate that it's because of some combination of being relatively non-durable to begin with, and each glancing blow counting as hitting the target as well... so that with a quarterstaff, you're actually taking as much damage as if you swung it 4 or 5 times (or more).

[The_Phenx]

With the number of HO rogues being cranked out with huge str, which gets x1.5 str for 2 handed weapon + 2x PA bonus + enhancements to PA, I am surprised that having a 56+ str rogue doesnt help more than it does. Then add in +10 or so points for having ~30 dex on top of that. This wont equal assassin DPS, but I still dont think its as bad as many people say it is.

Thing that sucks most about QS is they break so easily. Adamantine ritual ingredients are expensive for gearing out one toon, heh.

I have never had a stick break all the way. Just take a tier of item damage reduction.

LOL Acrobats aren't bad at all. People are just a lil wacky. 125-250 pts per swing is pretty decent combined with the fastest THF swing in the game,

Preying with everything going will sit around 48 str its pretty fantastic, especially for epic where I generally wield a dreamspitter. Autocrit with deleveling is quite silly.

[Quarterling]

Nah they should do Mechanic III first, Acrobats can wait.

Acrobats have been waiting longer.. no cuttsies

^ This ^

Superior evasion FTW.

So...

Evasion: Save-No damage/Fail-Full damage
Improved: Save-No damage/Fail-1/2 damage
Superior: Save-No damage/Fail-No damage

That's almost god-mode. Unless it would be halved again to 1/4 damage instead of 1/2.

[Chai]

Evasion: Save-No damage/Fail-Full damage
Improved: Save-No damage/Fail-1/2 damage
Superior: Save-No damage/Fail-No damage

That's almost god-mode. Unless it would be halved again to 1/4 damage instead of 1/2.

Yeap, superior evasion is basically if it requires a reflex save, no damage is taken.

Assassin is the ultra DPS killing machine. Why shouldnt accrobat be the ultra survival machine? Rogues rarely get killed by something that requires a reflex save anyhow unless its got a huge DC.

I am waiting to see what the crucible swim looks like on epic, heh.

[Quarterling]

I am waiting to see what the crucible swim looks like on epic, heh.

I think I will be so happy, I'll cry when I see the LFM for it up: "Need a thief-acrobat ONLY for swimming part"

[Tuney]

You know, my thief-acrobat was made when Cruisable was considered an end game quest. She has a swim skill because of that fun ass quest! I swear that is one of my favorite all time quests!