1 rogue / 2 monk / 17 cleric build

[psycho74]

since it seems i cannot build a good rogue/FvS toon.... i'm gonna try to make a cleric that would be able to decently melee and heal.

as before... i don't take in consideration any equipment but... i know i'll get some!!!

well..... let's see how you'll destroy this LAST attempt of mine to create a build myself!!

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(2 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 1317 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             12                 14                   14
Dexterity            16                 18                   20
Constitution         10                 12                   12
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom               16                 21                   24
Charisma             12                 16                   18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                  6                    6
Bluff                 1                  4                    4
Concentration         0                 17                   17
Diplomacy             1                  4                    4
Disable Device        5                 11                   12
Haggle                1                  4                    5
Heal                  3                 11                   11
Hide                  3                  5                    9
Intimidate            1                  4                    4
Jump                  5                  8                   10
Listen                7                 12                   14
Move Silently         3                  5                    7
Open Lock             7                  9                   10
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                5                 11                   12
Spot                  7                 12                   13
Swim                  5                 11                   11
Tumble                7                 10                   10
Use Magic Device      5                 19                   19

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Void Strike I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III

[FuzzyDuck81]

A good build overall, but most people (including me) would suggest that you take Empower Healing instead of Empower so that you can get the radiant servant prestige line, as its very handy, especially to have the aura running in melee where it'll be a nice steady regeneration effect & will give you another source of healing that doesnt require SP, allowing for more offensive spellcasting - with a decent devotion/ardor item & the metamagics active (metamagics boost the burst, ardor will work on burst & aura) you'll rarely need to use SP for healing except in emergencies.

Mental toughness & evocation focus arent the most optimal feat choices either, though as an offensive caster they can certainly be helpful - i'd suggest spell penetration instead of the focus.

Edit: just reread & noticed that you want effective melee & healing... in that case, spell focus definitely isnt as necessary, dump it for power attack to improve your damage instead.

[r3dl4nce]

Do you want to melee? 12 str won't take you anywhere in melee. If you don't want melee so why rogue and monk ?

[jillie]

10 con leaves you pretty squishy, to the point that you'll have trouble staying alive in melee. And, as r3dl4nce mentioned, 12 str won't get you much in the way of damage. I see why you went that way, but I'd probably leave int and cha at 10, and dex at 12. You'll want at least 14 con and 16 str for melee.

[psycho74]

wow!!! based on how my previous build had been destoyed (a 2 rogue/18 FvS) .. i was sure that this one would have seen the same destiny, but i see it can still work with some adjustment.

thanks for the advices..... i'll try to use them.

[Fejj]

Check this out

Cleric build catalog 2010 - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=223253
Post 3 - Melee-Capable Survivalist Cleric

and this

Solo focused cleric: High DCs/AC/Saves/Evasion/Melee Capable - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323

[psycho74]

Check this out

Cleric build catalog 2010 - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=223253
Post 3 - Melee-Capable Survivalist Cleric

and this

Solo focused cleric: High DCs/AC/Saves/Evasion/Melee Capable - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323

well...the second one really looks much similar to the one i intended to build......


anyway.... going towards the EMPOWER HEALING SPELL as suggested, and trying to use wisely all other suggestion... i came out with this one!
(the only thing i actually left untouched is... DEX!! i leave it HIGH because i wanna use the feats 2 WEAPON FIGHT and WEAPON FINESS)

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(2 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 1287 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 16
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 16                   16
Dexterity            16                 18                   20
Constitution         14                 16                   16
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom               14                 21                   24
Charisma             10                 12                   14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               5                  7                    7
Bluff                 0                  2                    2
Concentration         2                 21                   21
Diplomacy             0                  2                    2
Disable Device        4                 11                   12
Haggle                1                  3                    4
Heal                  2                  7                    9
Hide                  3                  5                    9
Intimidate            0                  2                    2
Jump                  2                  5                    7
Listen                5                 10                   12
Move Silently         3                  5                    7
Open Lock             7                  9                   10
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search                4                  5                    6
Spot                  6                 13                   14
Swim                  6                 10                   10
Tumble                5                  7                    7
Use Magic Device      4                 15                   15

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Thrown Weapon Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III

[Hafeal]

I am not sure what the rogue level gives you besides a minimal amount of backstab and access to rogue skills; you are getting evasion from your 2 monk levels. Your rogue skills are hurt b/c your Int is low (which it has to be) - and you put points into spot and listen. Your disable of 12 will do nothing past 4th level or so and will not help on elite at low level. Max disable and search (spot is unnecessary as learn where you need to look) if you keep your rogue level.

[kinar]

I am not sure what the rogue level gives you besides a minimal amount of backstab and access to rogue skills; you are getting evasion from your 2 monk levels. Your rogue skills are hurt b/c your Int is low (which it has to be) - and you put points into spot and listen. Your disable of 12 will do nothing past 4th level or so and will not help on elite at low level. Max disable and search (spot is unnecessary as learn where you need to look) if you keep your rogue level.

completely false...

a couple ranks in dd/search/ol will get you almost any trap in the game with proper equipment...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/How_d...l)_high_enough

Notice that those numbers (all around 90 for relevent skills) don't even take into account base dex/int modifier + tomes...Some of those enhancements can only be attained with pure rogue but they are all extreme overkill for anything but epic (and the only extremely high epic mark is OL at 90).

[psycho74]

completely false...

a couple ranks in dd/search/ol will get you almost any trap in the game with proper equipment...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/How_d...l)_high_enough

Notice that those numbers (all around 90 for relevent skills) don't even take into account base dex/int modifier + tomes...Some of those enhancements can only be attained with pure rogue but they are all extreme overkill for anything but epic (and the only extremely high epic mark is OL at 90).

so...you think this build could work??????
really???

Did i finally build something good?????

[Impaqt]

completely false...

a couple ranks in dd/search/ol will get you almost any trap in the game with proper equipment...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/How_d...l)_high_enough

Notice that those numbers (all around 90 for relevent skills) don't even take into account base dex/int modifier + tomes...Some of those enhancements can only be attained with pure rogue but they are all extreme overkill for anything but epic (and the only extremely high epic mark is OL at 90).

THose are extreme example of someone whos incredibly dedicated to grinding their trap skills. I know.. I wrote it.....
Well except for the errors like +2 for Completionist feat...

Just because somethis is possible, doesnt make it realistic to acheive for most folks.

[hecate355]

I am not sure what the rogue level gives you besides a minimal amount of backstab and access to rogue skills; you are getting evasion from your 2 monk levels. Your rogue skills are hurt b/c your Int is low (which it has to be) - and you put points into spot and listen. Your disable of 12 will do nothing past 4th level or so and will not help on elite at low level. Max disable and search (spot is unnecessary as learn where you need to look) if you keep your rogue level.

i had modified Valiance build, base int 14, lower cha, empower healing instead of empower(for radiant servant). In the end, befor i TR-ed, i had 56 search, 48 disable, around same pick lock. all that while wearing standard items, nothing uber rare, no tod set even, just few greensteel, nothing really past vale.

i admit 56 isnt anything spectacular, but it gets lots and lots of things done, sadly i felt like no1 needed those rogue skills, almost always had dedicated rogues at endgame, that and wish to try higher charisma clonk made me TR it and get rid of rogue level.

Now i wish i had made copy of my build, it could have been useful some day to some1 maybe.

[Calebro]

I didn't read through the entire build, as splitting the enhancements up between levels give me a headache when trying to follow it. But I have a similar build and it performs well. Be warned: The harder the difficulty of the quest, the lower the performance will be.

I am not sure what the rogue level gives you besides a minimal amount of backstab and access to rogue skills; you are getting evasion from your 2 monk levels. Your rogue skills are hurt b/c your Int is low (which it has to be) - and you put points into spot and listen. Your disable of 12 will do nothing past 4th level or so and will not help on elite at low level. Max disable and search (spot is unnecessary as learn where you need to look) if you keep your rogue level.

The rogue level is huge in this build. That "meager" sneak attack equates to the difference between having Power Attack or not.

Properly geared an buffed, your last statement becomes false.
And properly geared and buffed includes the Spell Find traps, which will add another +8 insight bonus to search, lowering the need for points there. This allows you to put more points in DD instead.

Agreed that listen is useless.
Agreed that spot can be dropped, but only if you already know where the traps are.

so...you think this build could work??????
really???

Did i finally build something good?????

The concept is sound, but again, I didn't get into the details because of the way it was posted.

Just because somethis is possible, doesnt make it realistic to acheive for most folks.

Correct.
Something more realistic for this toon would be:
* 15 Item Competence Bonus
* 7 +5 Tools
* 1 Rogue Disable Device Enh
* 2 Luck Bonus (Head of Good Fortune)
* 3 Enhancement Bonus (Ventilated Bracers)
* 4 Morale Bonus (Greater Heroism)
------------------------------------------
32 + X ranks + Int mod = ~48 + 1d20

[Paleus]

Your stated goal for your build is to: "decently melee and heal." In my opinion, if thats all you want to do, go warforged pure favored soul.

It sounds like, however, your goal is to: have evasion, melee, heal, nuke, disable, search, etc. Well, thats going to be a lot trickier, more gear intense, tougher on your stat allocations, and less likely to be viable without those factors. Now I've seen some well-played 17/2/1 clr/monk/rog's out there to know it can be done. But the leveling process can be a pain and they seem to have really good gear if not full on TR's with twinky GS and such. I didnt see you factoring in any tomes to your build, so given how easy those are to get if you are established and expensive if you are not, and given your join date, I'm going to guess you are fairly new. In that case, I'm going to suggest you try out the "Lord of the Blades" favored soul build and do that. It meets your stated criteria and can be less demanding of a build than what you are trying to do if all you really want to do is melee and heal. I think you'll enjoy it and thats what counts.

[Calebro]

Your stated goal for your build is to: "decently melee and heal." In my opinion, if thats all you want to do, go warforged pure favored soul.

It sounds like, however, your goal is to: have evasion, melee, heal, nuke, disable, search, etc. Well, thats going to be a lot trickier, more gear intense, tougher on your stat allocations, and less likely to be viable without those factors. Now I've seen some well-played 17/2/1 clr/monk/rog's out there to know it can be done. But the leveling process can be a pain and they seem to have really good gear if not full on TR's with twinky GS and such. I didnt see you factoring in any tomes to your build, so given how easy those are to get if you are established and expensive if you are not, and given your join date, I'm going to guess you are fairly new. In that case, I'm going to suggest you try out the "Lord of the Blades" favored soul build and do that. It meets your stated criteria and can be less demanding of a build than what you are trying to do if all you really want to do is melee and heal. I think you'll enjoy it and thats what counts.

I agree with all of the above statement.

[lazyninja81]

This type of build looks like a lot of fun. Considered it too when I first saw this link awhile back.

Solo focused cleric: High DCs/AC/Saves/Evasion/Melee Capable - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323

But have a careful look at the gear used. Not the kind of stuff you get in the veteran lvl 4 starter package. If you have a couple high level toons that can grind out some good gear to help this build along I'm sure it could work. But that's the reason I didn't even attempt this build.

Not trying to discourage you but from what I can tell this build is 50% right stats and 50% (at least) right gear.

[lazyninja81]

Your stated goal for your build is to: "decently melee and heal." In my opinion, if thats all you want to do, go warforged pure favored soul.

It sounds like, however, your goal is to: have evasion, melee, heal, nuke, disable, search, etc. Well, thats going to be a lot trickier, more gear intense, tougher on your stat allocations, and less likely to be viable without those factors. Now I've seen some well-played 17/2/1 clr/monk/rog's out there to know it can be done. But the leveling process can be a pain and they seem to have really good gear if not full on TR's with twinky GS and such. I didnt see you factoring in any tomes to your build, so given how easy those are to get if you are established and expensive if you are not, and given your join date, I'm going to guess you are fairly new. In that case, I'm going to suggest you try out the "Lord of the Blades" favored soul build and do that. It meets your stated criteria and can be less demanding of a build than what you are trying to do if all you really want to do is melee and heal. I think you'll enjoy it and thats what counts.

This.

+1

[Hafeal]

It sounds like we agreed:

If he runs below Elite;
Buffs; and
Gears up;

the rogue will work. Since he stated in his post he wasn't taking equipment into account, I didn't. Perhaps I incorrectly took him as a newer player, without much gear, trying to attempt a build which may disappoint.

I didn't read through the entire build, as splitting the enhancements up between levels give me a headache when trying to follow it. But I have a similar build and it performs well. Be warned: The harder the difficulty of the quest, the lower the performance will be.


The rogue level is huge in this build. That "meager" sneak attack equates to the difference between having Power Attack or not.

Properly geared an buffed, your last statement becomes false.
And properly geared and buffed includes the Spell Find traps, which will add another +8 insight bonus to search, lowering the need for points there. This allows you to put more points in DD instead.

Agreed that listen is useless.
Agreed that spot can be dropped, but only if you already know where the traps are.


The concept is sound, but again, I didn't get into the details because of the way it was posted.


Correct.
Something more realistic for this toon would be:
* 15 Item Competence Bonus
* 7 +5 Tools
* 1 Rogue Disable Device Enh
* 2 Luck Bonus (Head of Good Fortune)
* 3 Enhancement Bonus (Ventilated Bracers)
* 4 Morale Bonus (Greater Heroism)
------------------------------------------
32 + X ranks + Int mod = ~48 + 1d20

[psycho74]

It sounds like we agreed:

If he runs below Elite;
Buffs; and
Gears up;

the rogue will work. Since he stated in his post he wasn't taking equipment into account, I didn't. Perhaps I incorrectly took him as a newer player, without much gear, trying to attempt a build which may disappoint.

pos.... actually.... I AM kind of new!! I played a lot (really A LOT!) to everquest2 and even more on AD&D on paper (actually...the second ed. ....way years ago!!!) but.... i'm new to DDO. I have tough a lv 10 wiz... and i plan to lv it up just to get all i need to the next one so: plats, gears, tomes.
BTW... if i get all this stuff ...and i REINCARNATE (so...even more build point)... will i conserve my plat, gears, and tomes???? or in that case, i'll have to create a new toons just to give him all the equipment... then back to the new reincarnate one??

[psycho74]

Your stated goal for your build is to: "decently melee and heal." In my opinion, if thats all you want to do, go warforged pure favored soul.

It sounds like, however, your goal is to: have evasion, melee, heal, nuke, disable, search, etc. Well, thats going to be a lot trickier, more gear intense, tougher on your stat allocations, and less likely to be viable without those factors. Now I've seen some well-played 17/2/1 clr/monk/rog's out there to know it can be done. But the leveling process can be a pain and they seem to have really good gear if not full on TR's with twinky GS and such. I didnt see you factoring in any tomes to your build, so given how easy those are to get if you are established and expensive if you are not, and given your join date, I'm going to guess you are fairly new. In that case, I'm going to suggest you try out the "Lord of the Blades" favored soul build and do that. It meets your stated criteria and can be less demanding of a build than what you are trying to do if all you really want to do is melee and heal. I think you'll enjoy it and thats what counts.

...where can i found this LORD OF THE BLADES?