Feedback to my Pala 18/Fighter 2 Intimitank

[Nephilia]

Ok I decide to lesser reincarnate my actual intimitank to get full intimidate grade (thanks update 7 to made intimidate a paladin racial skill) and to make her a little more aggressive!!!
Say what u think about it ^_^

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male 
(2 Fighter / 18 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 374 
Spell Points: 205 

BAB: 20/20/25/3030 
Fortitude: 26 
Reflex: 17 
Will: 15 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(32 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           16                26 
Dexterity          10                14 
Constitution       14                16 
Intelligence       12                14 
Wisdom              8                 8 
Charisma           16                20 

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            2              13 
Bluff              3              5 
Concentration      2              6 
Diplomacy          3              5 
Disable Device     n/a            n/a 
Haggle             3              5 
Heal               -1             12 
Hide               0              2 
Intimidate         7              40 
Jump               4              21 
Listen             -1             -1 
Move Silently      0              2 
Open Lock          n/a            n/a 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             1              2 
Search             1              2 
Spot               -1             -1 
Swim               3              8 
Tumble             1              3 
Use Magic Device   5              16 
 
Level 1 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Intimidate (+4) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skill: Tumble (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) 
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 2 (Fighter) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack 
 
Level 3 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded 
 
Level 4 (Paladin) 
Ability Raise: STR 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 5 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 6 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell 
 
Level 7 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)  

Level 8 (Paladin) 
Ability Raise: STR 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 9 (Fighter) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+2) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise 
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate 
 
Level 10 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 11 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 12 (Paladin) 
Ability Raise: STR 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Selected) Dodge 
 
Level 13 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 14 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 15 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons 
 
Level 16 (Paladin) 
Ability Raise: STR 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 17 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 18 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 19 (Paladin) 
Skill: Balance (+0.5) 
Skill: Heal (+1) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+0.5) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 20 (Paladin) 
Ability Raise: STR 
Skill: Heal (+4) 
Skill: Intimidate (+1) 
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I 
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty 
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I 
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I 
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility I 
Enhancement: Human Versatility II 
Enhancement: Human Versatility III 
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I 
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I 
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III 
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good IV 
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I 
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I 
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II 
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I 
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I 
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II 
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III 
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I 
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II 
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys III 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I 
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II 
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III 
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV 
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II 
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I 
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II

Equipment I'm using atm:
Head: minos
Google: +6 cha skill, mana, disruption guard GS
Armor : DT Full plate +30pf, +6 cha, +4 AC insight + ritual
Bracers: Levik's
Boot(swap): Madstone, GS(+45pf, + 6 dex skill, Air guard), +30% striding, featherfall +15 jump
Gloves: Charged Gauntlet
Ring 1: Circlet of Hatred
Ring 2: Tumbleweed
Belt: Daggerthoot Belt
Cloak: Using a +5 protection but I want to remove it cause DoS III gimme a +5 protection clicky (16min)
Trinket: HoGF + ritual
Necklace: +6 cos
1 Hand: GS Scimitar (holy, acid burst, +2 exc con)
2 Hand: Levik's Defender + ritual

[AylinIsAwesome]

For a while I was thinking about doing 2 Fighter/18 Paladin myself, with Bullheaded and SF: Intimidate like you have.

However, in the end I decided it would be better to drop those two feats and just focus on DPS (like with an eSoS that bypasses raid boss DR).

[Nephilia]

For a while I was thinking about doing 2 Fighter/18 Paladin myself, with Bullheaded and SF: Intimidate like you have.

However, in the end I decided it would be better to drop those two feats and just focus on DPS (like with an eSoS that bypasses raid boss DR).

Well... problem is how could I get an eSoS XD

[AylinIsAwesome]

Well... problem is how could I get an eSoS XD

Do eVON6 for shard/base item, eVON1 for the seal and kill eVON5 zombies for the scroll?

[Nephilia]

Do eVON6 for shard/base item, eVON1 for the seal and kill eVON5 zombies for the scroll?

No no!!!
I know how to get stuffs to craft an epic SoS!!!
what i mean is that is not so easy to have one :P

[AylinIsAwesome]

No no!!!
I know how to get stuffs to craft an epic SoS!!!
what i mean is that is not so easy to have one :P

If you work at it, you'll eventually get it.


I guess the main question is, "are you wanting to intimidate the demon queen on Epic?" If not, then there is absolutely no reason to keep in the Fighter levels. If so, then is it worth the drop in effectiveness everywhere else?

[unbongwah]

A tank without any THF or TWF feats looks...odd to me. Are the Intim bonuses from Least Sentinel, SF Intim, and Bullheaded more important than the DPS boost from THF x3?

[Krag]

If you work at it, you'll eventually get it.


I guess the main question is, "are you wanting to intimidate the demon queen on Epic?" If not, then there is absolutely no reason to keep in the Fighter levels. If so, then is it worth the drop in effectiveness everywhere else?

The drop in efficiency is only limited to 3 raidbosses of which only Horoth is somewhat dangerous.

[Nephilia]

If you work at it, you'll eventually get it.


I guess the main question is, "are you wanting to intimidate the demon queen on Epic?" If not, then there is absolutely no reason to keep in the Fighter levels. If so, then is it worth the drop in effectiveness everywhere else?

Often on ghallanda guys ask me to intimidate her... I need to run epic raid so answer is yes, unfortunatly

Anyway if u think this is not effective what u suggest me to do ? ^^

[elraido]

A tank without any THF or TWF feats looks...odd to me. Are the Intim bonuses from Least Sentinel, SF Intim, and Bullheaded more important than the DPS boost from THF x3?

Depends on the build. If he is going for AC, then THF isn't the best way to use feats for the build. Then again, I don't think the extra bit of intim from those 3 feats isn't going to do much anyway.

[Maldavenous]

With Defender of Siberys and your DEX score you don't have enough DEX to qualify wearing Daggertooth's Belt unless you put on a +6 DEX item, you need 20 DEX with DoS and Daggertooth's Belt.

Also If you're going to wear a +5 Protection item I'd make it a GS +5 Protection, Heavy Fort. Then you can get rid of Minos. There are a lot of ways to get Toughness now.

Beyond that you can get 1 more AC if you use the Levik's set on your DT instead of the +4 Insight. You already have the bracers and the shield in your gear. I wouldn't suggest putting it over your current +4 insight if you really need that 1 AC (seeing you're already getting +3 from Leviks) but if you can do it the last piece of Levik's would be worth more.

On a side note, this is very similar to my DoS and she's just not worth playing any more. At one point, and in some quest items, she was my best geared most raided character until epics came out.

[Maldavenous]

Depends on the build. If he is going for AC, then THF isn't the best way to use feats for the build. Then again, I don't think the extra bit of intim from those 3 feats isn't going to do much anyway.

It is if you're intiming the biggest epic creatures in the game, just about every point matters.

[elraido]

With Defender of Siberys and your DEX score you don't have enough DEX to qualify wearing Daggertooth's Belt unless you put on a +6 DEX item, you need 20 DEX with DoS and Daggertooth's Belt.

Also If you're going to wear a +5 Protection item I'd make it a GS +5 Protection, Heavy Fort. Then you can get rid of Minos. There are a lot of ways to get Toughness now.

Beyond that you can get 1 more AC if you use the Levik's set on your DT instead of the +4 Insight. You already have the bracers and the shield in your gear. I wouldn't suggest putting it over your current +4 insight if you really need that 1 AC (seeing you're already getting +3 from Leviks) but if you can do it the last piece of Levik's would be worth more.

On a side note, this is very similar to my DoS and she's just not worth playing any more. At one point, and in some quest items, she was my best geared most raided character until epics came out.

+4 insight (either greensteel or dragontouched (dragontouched is better way to go but much harder to get) and +2 dodge from either the epic mabar cloak or chaos bracers will get him +6 ac vs the +5 total from all three of those leviks.

[elraido]

It is if you're intiming the biggest epic creatures in the game, just about every point matters.

True. My main has an intim of like 48 with out any real buffs and no items. Throw +15 on there and it 63....couple bard buffs and ship buffs and you can be pushing high 60's with out any real effort at all. But, like you said...every bit does counts

[Maldavenous]

+4 insight (either greensteel or dragontouched (dragontouched is better way to go but much harder to get) and +2 dodge from either the epic mabar cloak or chaos bracers will get him +6 ac vs the +5 total from all three of those leviks.

Yes, but I'm working inside his current setup and the Epic Mabar Cloak isn't good on intim tanks by all reports. This is one thing he could change without even moving/changing an item, then again seeing enough sovereign runes to get that set bonus is a challenge in and of itself.

[Nephilia]

With Defender of Siberys and your DEX score you don't have enough DEX to qualify wearing Daggertooth's Belt unless you put on a +6 DEX item, you need 20 DEX with DoS and Daggertooth's Belt.

Also If you're going to wear a +5 Protection item I'd make it a GS +5 Protection, Heavy Fort. Then you can get rid of Minos. There are a lot of ways to get Toughness now.

Beyond that you can get 1 more AC if you use the Levik's set on your DT instead of the +4 Insight. You already have the bracers and the shield in your gear. I wouldn't suggest putting it over your current +4 insight if you really need that 1 AC (seeing you're already getting +3 from Leviks) but if you can do it the last piece of Levik's would be worth more.

On a side note, this is very similar to my DoS and she's just not worth playing any more. At one point, and in some quest items, she was my best geared most raided character until epics came out.

I've 20 on dex due to my ring of thelis
I don't want a full leviks for a seingle reason... i'm trying to craft an epic Kundarak warding shield ^^
So the +4 insight is the best I can have on my DT

[Maldavenous]

I've 20 on dex due to my ring of thelis
I don't want a full leviks for a seingle reason... i'm trying to craft an epic Kundarak warding shield ^^
So the +4 insight is the best I can have on my DT

Ring of Thelis? Ring of Thelis Efficient Metamagic - Empower II, Wizardry VII, Spell Resistance (22).

Didn't know you were looking to switch shields. If you do you may want to look at some other Bracer options. Levik's are pretty nice but a lot of my characters have been phasing them out more in their plans.

[Nephilia]

Ring of Thelis? Ring of Thelis Efficient Metamagic - Empower II, Wizardry VII, Spell Resistance (22).

Didn't know you were looking to switch shields. If you do you may want to look at some other Bracer options. Levik's are pretty nice but a lot of my characters have been phasing them out more in their plans.

sorry not ring of thelis -.-
I mean the one with +6 dex, +10 tumble (if i remember well), and +2 attack!!!

[Maldavenous]

sorry not ring of thelis -.-
I mean the one with +6 dex, +10 tumble (if i remember well), and +2 attack!!!

Tumbleweed. Okay, that makes more sense

[Nephilia]

Tumbleweed. Okay, that makes more sense

Yes this one XD sorry my bad XD