AM pre-reqs review?

[HallowedOne]

Is it beeing discussed reviewing the costs of becoming an AM for the next update?

I feel stabbed in the back when I have to pay up 2,3, and 4 AP's for a net gain of 30 sp for each tier of Energy of Scholar...

I'd go ahead and question the feat pre-req as well, but since Mental Toughness had to had a use I think that argument would be in vain

[MalakRevan]

I have no problem with the AP points being used. I am currently an AM on my Wizzy and have excess AP points and he's level 19 in his second life as a WF wizzy. Currently spec'd into Enchantment and Fire/Ice with some Force thrown in. Not missing anything on the Spell pen either so not sure what your complaint is about? Besides the AP cost of Energy of the Scholar?

[articwarrior]

I have no problem with the AP points being used. I am currently an AM on my Wizzy and have excess AP points and he's level 19 in his second life as a WF wizzy. Currently spec'd into Enchantment and Fire/Ice with some Force thrown in. Not missing anything on the Spell pen either so not sure what your complaint is about? Besides the AP cost of Energy of the Scholar?

curse you and zerging ahead on xp w/o me!!!!

[MalakRevan]

curse you and zerging ahead on xp w/o me!!!!

:P Well quit messing around with that stupid event then fool.

[TheDearLeader]

If memory serves, Archmage was already made more AP-cost friendly, during its initial testing phases on Lammania before in-game implementation.

Also, this is not what the Lamma forums are for. Its to discuss changes that have been made, not what you'd like to see done. I believe the "Suggestions" forum is the one you're looking for.

[bradleyforrest]

If memory serves, Archmage was already made more AP-cost friendly, during its initial testing phases on Lammania before in-game implementation.

Also, this is not what the Lamma forums are for. Its to discuss changes that have been made, not what you'd like to see done. I believe the "Suggestions" forum is the one you're looking for.

Your memory is failing you. There was no change from the AM costs from the time U7 went to Lamannia through the time it went live.

You may be thinking about the change in the cost of the Concentration enhancement, but that was part of a skill enhancement rework, not part of AM

[MalakRevan]

Your memory is failing you. There was no change from the AM costs from the time U7 went to Lamannia through the time it went live.

You may be thinking about the change in the cost of the Concentration enhancement, but that was part of a skill enhancement rework, not part of AM

Correct you are. Concentration was changed to 1 AP per level instead of the 1-2-3-4 system. AM has cost the same as it has since it was introduced on Lamannia. I think the big issue here is that the OP doesn't like the cost of the energy of the scholar line, which the AP cost is appropriate IMHO. There are more than enough AP to go around on a Wiz unless he/she is trying to max out several different lines at once (I mean all the lines).

[Dilbon]

There aren't that many spare points left if you max your con and toughness enhancements. Squishies have it easier.

[HallowedOne]

I think the big issue here is that the OP doesn't like the cost of the energy of the scholar line, which the AP cost is appropriate IMHO. There are more than enough AP to go around on a Wiz unless he/she is trying to max out several different lines at once (I mean all the lines).There are more than enough AP to go around on a Wiz unless he/she is trying to max out several different lines at once (I mean all the lines).

Exactly what I wanted to point out. But sorry, I severely disagree that Energy of Scholar costs are fine as it is.

Wizards had spare AP's before because they didn't have any PrE's to begin with. Now they do, and both are very good, which brought up that incongruency.

It's the same problem of why it is bad to get to Exalted Smite 3 on a paladin, or even to Toughness 3 and 4: the benefit is constant but the cost remains linear. And, in this case, the benefit is even minimal because frankly, 4 AP's for 30 sp? If it weren't for the Rakhir's set I wouldnt even think of getting this.

1 AP , 30 sp
2 AP , 30 sp
3 AP , 30 sp
4 AP , 30 sp

On a side note: I did on my wiz exactly what you did to yours. But had to take off points I invested on elemental critical which, frankly, tore my heart off

And on a side note: if this forum wasnt meant to also bring up this kind of discussion then I think topics like "Increase ATDQ1 Shard drops" wouldnt be here.

[MalakRevan]

Exactly what I wanted to point out. But sorry, I severely disagree that Energy of Scholar costs are fine as it is.

Wizards had spare AP's before because they didn't have any PrE's to begin with. Now they do, and both are very good, which brought up that incongruency.

It's the same problem of why it is bad to get to Exalted Smite 3 on a paladin, or even to Toughness 3 and 4: the benefit is constant but the cost remains linear. And, in this case, the benefit is even minimal because frankly, 4 AP's for 30 sp? If it weren't for the Rakhir's set I wouldnt even think of getting this.

1 AP , 30 sp
2 AP , 30 sp
3 AP , 30 sp
4 AP , 30 sp

On a side note: I did on my wiz exactly what you did to yours. But had to take off points I invested on elemental critical which, frankly, tore my heart off

And on a side note: if this forum wasnt meant to also bring up this kind of discussion then I think topics like "Increase ATDQ1 Shard drops" wouldnt be here.

Yeah, I don't bother with the Elemental critical % but I do the elemental critical chance. Elemental damage really doesn't play a large part in end game except some epic quests, which if you have good melees and a decent hold DC your just fine, the firewall and other spells are just extra.

I have all the toughness and con maxed on my TR Wiz and still have points left over atm and I'm still technically 18 holding 19 till 20 (only 150k to go). Currently sitting at a little under 400 HP and over 2000 SP and I don't have a Shroud HP item so Dill I have to disagree with you from my experience.

[frznvimes]

Currently sitting at a little under 400 HP and over 2000 SP and I don't have a Shroud HP item so Dill I have to disagree with you from my experience.

Those 4 ap you spent on eots 4 account for 1.5% of your mana pool. You could say its 60% of one cast of mass hold monster.
That seems pretty terrible to me.

[LunaCee]

I would just like to point out that the first tier of Energy of the Scholar is 20 points with all following tiers being 30, for a grand total of 110 points if one takes all four tiers.

Though at least it isn't as badly off as Elven Arcanum. That is just all kinds of messed up. Bonus SP via enhancements would be a little more palatable being forced as a requirement if it effectively scaled up as one reached higher tiers... thus something like +20/+40/+60/+80 would work out to +200 SP total and be twenty SP per AP invested. Then go back and make Elven Arcanum something like +15/+30/+45/+60 (+150 total).

They acknowledged that the linear progression for exponential cost for +1s to skills was not friendly. Be nice if SP boosting lines got improved to be relevant for max level 20 because it is not max level 10, and has been for quite some time.

[HallowedOne]

I would just like to point out that the first tier of Energy of the Scholar is 20 points with all following tiers being 30, for a grand total of 110 points if one takes all four tiers.

Though at least it isn't as badly off as Elven Arcanum. That is just all kinds of messed up. Bonus SP via enhancements would be a little more palatable being forced as a requirement if it effectively scaled up as one reached higher tiers... thus something like +20/+40/+60/+80 would work out to +200 SP total and be twenty SP per AP invested. Then go back and make Elven Arcanum something like +15/+30/+45/+60 (+150 total).

They acknowledged that the linear progression for exponential cost for +1s to skills was not friendly. Be nice if SP boosting lines got improved to be relevant for max level 20 because it is not max level 10, and has been for quite some time.

While it is a good idea and, if implemented, I would accept it, I'd still prefer making it constant cost with constant benefit.

Late game sp doesn't become a big problem for one who knows when to cast a spell,
and you have enough equipment to regen sp to finish almost everything on the game, and, if playing AM who casts spells costing 1 to 15 sp, it becomes even less of problem.

[bryanmeerkat]

I had heard that AM where pretty rubbish so maybe they need a buff , ( I even heard a rumour recently one mage had to use a spell pot whilst soloing a same level quest . )

On a more serious note I think the cost is effectively part of the cost of being an AM , otherwise nobody would take it .
Maybe they can decrease the cost of the ability and increase the corresponding cost of AM itself to balance it .
Otherwise your just looking for a buff on a PRE that really has no need of buffing .