HoX: The PUG Gods cursed me

[phalaeo]

blacklist those healers then?


and how much healers did your party bring?
2 is usually enough but risky, but with 3 it should be easy as hell

Cause nobody ever swings a sword at a puppy, do they?

[Shishizaru]

Annnnnnd fail. Then again, what did I expect in a pug on hard with a new guy...

My second HoX was a PUG on hard (I'm pretty sure the LFM listed normal but w/e). The bard was new. We still completed, somehow. Possibly because I think we had 3 good healers. 2 in the middle, one circling the outside saving people's behinds. Wasn't the smoothest HoX ever (heck, quite the opposite, stones left on outside, people kiting dogs everywhere BUT the middle, not buffing dogs at first, only one dog charmed), but somehow we got through it.

Still hope. Then again, I've had pretty good luck with pug raids on Cannith.

[Purgatory]

This. Plus, I love to decline people who apply w/o sending a /tell then messaging me that I really must have no clue of this game since I declined them.

This is usually followed by a: 'Welcome to the retards' list, do not hesitate to learn how to read it's never too late!'

LOL sometimes i think i put that in my lfm just so i can lol at people who do that very thing you described.

LFM= Send tell for invite
pugger "how come you declined me"
Me "re-read the lfm"
Pugger "ok... so how come you declined me"
Me "cuz you cant follow simple directions"
Pugger "but i did re-read the lfm"
Me "but did you understand it?"
Pugger "Elitest @#$@#$@#@#$#$@$%#$%@"

[bartosy]

nps with hox whatsoever on thelanis last 4 times i did a hox i got a complete on all 4 counts. And those were in pugs. And tanked them all 4

The only thing that starts to annoy me that how in pug raids in the sub there's always this one guy thats holding up 11 people for over 15 minutes.

And the anti social tards that need to spice up there l33t lfm but i just stop hitting those altogether. I rather join a fail party once or twice,then to need to listen to a nerd rage out in a virtual world because someone died and he lost 10% exp.

[sirgog]

Don't PUG failable raids during American long weekends. It's that simple.

The number of terrible players that log on during those weekends is incredible.

[Kourier]

Pugged a HoX on normal today. Halfway through, all the dogs broke out except one and we had 1 stone left, so we just killed em (YES, we killed most of the dogs on purpose). Our tank might have died at some point. Easy completion.

I dunno, normally Thelanis pugs are pretty good.

[sirdanile]

Don't PUG failable raids during American long weekends. It's that simple.

The number of terrible players that log on during those weekends is incredible.

This combined with mabar event means most of the decent players are off doing something else.

[Tiro]

I was also in failed pug and funny thing, I was the first time person and I was the cleric (lvl 17). I just bought the adventure pack and this was my first subt quest. Yes I did send the leader a tell and asked him if I could join because it was my first time.

Even after reading the quest guide on wiki and my raid leaders instructions (his French accent kinda messed me up), I felt ill prepared for that chaotic fight. Everyone all around me was getting their buts whupped (all out of range) there was only two healers and a bard. The two of us were trying to keep the dogs alive and failing and trying to keep those inside the circle alive and the tank. Needless to say we both ran out of sp and I was left to using heal scrolls then the inevitable wipe.

I would love to hear some good advice on how the dogs should have been healed. Should I have ignored everyone else that was dying? Should I use mass cures vs single point, etc.

[AltheaSteelrain]

Don't PUG failable raids during American long weekends. It's that simple.

The number of terrible players that log on during those weekends is incredible.

I wasn't aware that Thanksgiving day is a long holiday.

[Purgatory]

I wasn't aware that Thanksgiving day is a long holiday.

cuz 4 days is not a long weekend? compared to the normal 2 day weekend...


Thanksgiving is on thursday then you have friday,saturday, and sunday most people will have off. = Long weekend

Not much to understand

[Thrudh]

There is your problem you alredy stated it, you take anyone and everyone that hit your lfm (especialy your healers) and then wonder why you fail all the time.....

you can call me an elitest all you want but im not the one failing raids and then complaining about it.

When I host a raid and lead it, I feel that im responsible to make sure that everyone in the raid has a fair chance of completing it to begin with and could not live with myself if I got lazy, irresponsible and continue to waste 11 other people time due to incompitance by just accept anyone and everyone that was capable of having a internet connecion at that moment of time. If your alright with wasting 11 other poeple time that just want to get a completion in, shame on you. Good raid leader not only knows the raid well, but also knows how to form one up. If you have players that cant follow simple directions (and there tons of them out there), you know the type those are the ones usualy tossing out the "Elitest" in defence of there mess-ups or my favorite "It's just a game dude" so its ok to run around act like a complete idiot making other people playing experiance less then enjoyable. There just no respect for other people time and for some that time is very limited. I find it funy how people can say thing like "It's just a game dude" or call other Elitest for placing value in something they have and are investing there time into. Once you start joining and forming groups with other players its no longer your time and its no longer "just a game" when you incorprate other people time to the equation and that time has value. No game in the world is "just a game" when it involves more then one person. Anyone that thinks differntly is self-centerd, lazy and someone i dont want anything to do with as they obviosly have no respect for me and my time.

All that ranting above... then this...

Any healer worth anything can solo heal hound simply by pushing the same button every few seconds (mass heal)
Its not hard to do....

So why again do you have to screen your hound raids?

I have never heard of 11 Hound raids failing in a row... All it takes is one healer casting mass heal... Like Purg said, it's easy...

Was the leader in ANY of these 11 tries communicating at all?

[Purgatory]

So why again do you have to screen your hound raids?

Because dispite how stupidly easy the raid is, some just try and make it 100x harder then it needs to be.

Sreening peopel to a make sure they can

1. undertand and flw simple instructions (this key for time like hey you got dog agro bring to middle)
2. Are capable of pushing one button every few secs so dogs dont die. with out doing anything stupid in the process

Dispite how simple it is to mass heal the dogs you get the idiot that trys to do more then that, like get this big bright idea of playing leap frog of zyx to get to the other side or think its a good idea to run up and do self targeted aoe spells to heal the dogs or buff them then wonder why they got bees and cant heal and cast anylonger. stupid people will do stupid things and a few simple questions will bring that stupidity to light.

Sadd trueth is there is a large # of players that playing healers that cant seem to manage 1 and 2

I even witness whole guilds that routinely cant do either 1 or 2 (they are on auto decline now)

flw simple instructions and dont do anything stupid in the process.

[sirgog]

I was also in failed pug and funny thing, I was the first time person and I was the cleric (lvl 17). I just bought the adventure pack and this was my first subt quest. Yes I did send the leader a tell and asked him if I could join because it was my first time.

Even after reading the quest guide on wiki and my raid leaders instructions (his French accent kinda messed me up), I felt ill prepared for that chaotic fight. Everyone all around me was getting their buts whupped (all out of range) there was only two healers and a bard. The two of us were trying to keep the dogs alive and failing and trying to keep those inside the circle alive and the tank. Needless to say we both ran out of sp and I was left to using heal scrolls then the inevitable wipe.

I would love to hear some good advice on how the dogs should have been healed. Should I have ignored everyone else that was dying? Should I use mass cures vs single point, etc.

Probably not your fault.

In a decent Hound run, your task is simply to avoid 'the bees' (Xy'zzy has a frontal cone breath weapon that applies a nasty damage over time on the players hit, and prevents them casting spells) and to heal the tank first, then the charmed dogs, and yourself (if you take damage). You can heal other players as well if you have healing cooldowns free (so if using Mass Heal on the dogs, you can use your Heal spell cooldown to heal a player).

Usually the bard (and if present, second/third Clerics or FvS's) will be assigned to healing the raid.

I'd say your group failed because the melees and arcanes could not kill the trash mobs quickly enough, not because of any mistake you made. Failed runs that are healers' faults usually involve dogs dying, often after a cleric gets 'the bees'.

[Irinis]

I was also in failed pug and funny thing, I was the first time person and I was the cleric (lvl 17). I just bought the adventure pack and this was my first subt quest. Yes I did send the leader a tell and asked him if I could join because it was my first time.

Even after reading the quest guide on wiki and my raid leaders instructions (his French accent kinda messed me up), I felt ill prepared for that chaotic fight. Everyone all around me was getting their buts whupped (all out of range) there was only two healers and a bard. The two of us were trying to keep the dogs alive and failing and trying to keep those inside the circle alive and the tank. Needless to say we both ran out of sp and I was left to using heal scrolls then the inevitable wipe.

I would love to hear some good advice on how the dogs should have been healed. Should I have ignored everyone else that was dying? Should I use mass cures vs single point, etc.

Yeah definitely use quickened mass heal on the puppies, maybe also heals in between if they have bees. There shouldn't be trash mobs in the center and people on the outside need to mostly take care of themselves. (Or have a melee fvs who can throw the occasional heal on the outside.)

[AltheaSteelrain]

cuz 4 days is not a long weekend? compared to the normal 2 day weekend...


Thanksgiving is on thursday then you have friday,saturday, and sunday most people will have off. = Long weekend

Not much to understand

I'm not from America so how should I know?

We dont have thanksgiving in our country, but with the many "official" and "unofficial" holidays, we get more longer weekends that you do.

do forgive my uncultured idea of how long thanksgiving is in your country.

[Thorzian]

As I said, I know the "basic" raid composition on every possible raid I can do (Vod, HoX, TS and Shroud) but will not hesitate to bring along newbies that do listen.:P

dude, you're not helping your case here. ToD isnt on this list and you actually count tempest spine as a raid?? not earning many credibility points here. get yourself 2 healers, 1 bard, 1 caster, 1 solid fog clickie with hitpoints (or a high intim) and 7 monkeys you found in the street and you can hound in your sleep.. but the non-monkeys need to know what they're doing... especially the bard. that was you wasnt it?

[AltheaSteelrain]

dude, you're not helping your case here. ToD isnt on this list and you actually count tempest spine as a raid?? not earning many credibility points here. get yourself 2 healers, 1 bard, 1 caster, 1 solid fog clickie with hitpoints (or a high intim) and 7 monkeys you found in the street and you can hound in your sleep.. but the non-monkeys need to know what they're doing... especially the bard. that was you wasnt it?

Because I don't have Amrath yet?

And yes tempest spine is still a raid.

That is a good plan, except the fact that the dogs kept dying even with that strategy in place.

Why can't you understand that is my problem: the dogs kept dying while doing everything by the book.

And you assume I didn't know what I'm doing and that is unfair. This is an isolated case brought by the combination of mabar + thanksgiving + bad pug luck. I only posted this out to read other people's opinions on what the heck is wrong with HoX runs lately and I got an answer thanks to Purgatory and others.

But then again maybe you are right and I am too blame after all I am THE BARD and bards are uber and are expected to be godly in imminent wipe scenarios.

[Doomcrew]

Because I don't have Amrath yet?

And yes tempest spine is still a raid.

That is a good plan, except the fact that the dogs kept dying even with that strategy in place.

Why can't you understand that is my problem: the dogs kept dying while doing everything by the book.

And you assume I didn't know what I'm doing and that is unfair. This is an isolated case brought by the combination of mabar + thanksgiving + bad pug luck. I only posted this out to read other people's opinions on what the heck is wrong with HoX runs lately and I got an answer thanks to Purgatory and others.

But then again maybe you are right and I am too blame after all I am THE BARD and bards are uber and are expected to be godly in imminent wipe scenarios.

Not only the bard, but the leader of 11 consecutive fails. Try joining a few HoX's
and see what's being done differently. If it comes down to poor healing, then either
screen your healers, or get used of failing the Hound.

[Tom_Hunters]

several months ago i think the HoX PUGs in thelanis were fine

like 8 out of 10 are successful, including some hard runs (i even did a 5-min run too on normal)

but recently the HoX runs are bad, I think it's a 1/2 chance now

some of the problems lie on connection, I mean there were several times when the charming bards d/c on the way collecting stones, or the clerics d/c during puppy heals

And I notice that ppl often can't stop the render mobs from entering the centre, and then messes things around

tanks are usually fine though


just what i have observed...

[Irinis]

Not only the bard, but the leader of 11 consecutive fails. Try joining a few HoX's
and see what's being done differently. If it comes down to poor healing, then either
screen your healers, or get used of failing the Hound.

In the 50 fail runs I had almost consecutively on Thelanis (about 1 success in HoX for every 5 attempts), I accepted healers, tank, and bard where I wasn't familiar with all of them. Some were definitely griefed, but I'm sure a few here and there were due to plain incompetence. The ones that succeeded were the ones where I knew I could count on the people in key roles. Unfortunately, that's just what the game's like. I don't know if it was really better in the golden age before f2p, but DDO does have a huge learning curve and the mechanics of many raids make it easier to grief than to complete.