The new age of gimps

[krud]

Silver longbow at 3,800 plat buyout: are you advocating ranged dps?


+3 Silver Bastard Sword of Pure Good, 45K plat buyout: bastard sword proficiency

+2 Frost Silver light mace of Pure Good, 25k plat buyout: +2 light mace

There were plenty of other things that I saw that were reasonable, I'm just too lazy to continue screenshotting them. That is as of 5 mins ago... but these somewhat reasonable deals on DR breakers are mixed in with 300k + plat buyouts of similar weapons. In one case that made me chuckle, there are four +5 Metalline Bastard Sword of Pure Good's up there: low price is 135k plat and high is 500k plat. Meanwhile, if you look you will find the +3 Silver Bastard Sword of Pure Good I have a screenie of above.

Heavy fort is available via numerous sources. There isn't any excuse not to have it. Head/Neck/Ring/Belt/Robe slots are easy to find items for. My first toon had it at level 8 without anyone mentioning it's value to me. It's self explanatory, and practically free from at least two sources.

The problem I see with newer players like myself isn't that these things are not available. It's more like being unmotivated to look for stuff you need to make it. Combine that with the tendency of some player to not want to be bothered with a less than ideal, but effective weapon. Get enough of these people in a Shroud run and you will have what I had the other day: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=18

When I started getting interested in running Shroud on my first toon there were similar deals available on serviceable weapons. I used those until I found what I wanted.

reasonable? start a new character on a new server, and then let me know if you think anything near 50k for minimally acceptable harry beaters is reasonable? No reliable guildies to help or zerg you up either. pug it on up. Is that the kind of stuff you had when you where running in all those 13-16 25min pug shrouds back in the day?

[stainer]

reasonable? start a new character on a new server, and then let me know if you think anything near 50k for minimally acceptable harry beaters is reasonable? No reliable guildies to help or zerg you up either. pug it on up. Is that the kind of stuff you had when you where running in all those 13-16 25min pug shrouds back in the day?

If you can't come out of GH with at least 100k on your first character, you are doing it wrong.

[taurean430]

reasonable? start a new character on a new server, and then let me know if you think anything near 50k for minimally acceptable harry beaters is reasonable? No reliable guildies to help or zerg you up either. pug it on up. Is that the kind of stuff you had when you where running in all those 13-16 25min pug shrouds back in the day?

I don't need to do that. My first character had more than enough plat to buy any of those items. Or all of them. And before I was picked up by my guild as well. I'm quite sure by your response that I pug far more than you do as well. You seem to be out of touch...

You don't need exotic weapon profiency when bard songs are present on a boss that a baby with a pacifier can hit. Just sayin' man.

[krud]

If you can't come out of GH with at least 100k on your first character, you are doing it wrong.

try it as I described. I bet you'll find yourself resorting to knowledge that the average newb will not have.

[stainer]

try it as I described. I bet you'll find yourself resorting to knowledge that the average newb will not have.

I did. (Points at join date) I used a met of pg qstaff on my monk until I had ToD rings with bursts.

[grodon9999]

If you can't come out of GH with at least 100k on your first character, you are doing it wrong.

Though I disagree with this, my first toon had decent harry-beaters by her 4th or 5th shroud.

[stainer]

Though I disagree with this, my first toon had decent harry-beaters by her 4th or 5th shroud.

If you don't out of GH, surely you do by the time you flag for shroud. What are you doing with the money? I would advocate using the ddoor technique and ransacking shroud for $$$ if this is the case.

[grodon9999]

If you don't out of GH, surely you do by the time you flag for shroud. What are you doing with the money? I would advocate using the ddoor technique and ransacking shroud for $$$ if this is the case.

AH prices vary from server to server and with the change to plat on my server (Ghallanda) prices have skyrocketed on anything decent. Honestly, one my normal shroud pugs I don't even care if you can break DR because I know on a first toon it's really tough. Even if half the party isn't breaking DR harry still drops in the second round.

People have most of their shrouds set to 18-20 because that's what it is be default and we're too lazy to change it.

What gets me though is people who try to get in ToD, Elite Shroud, and Epics without DR-breakers. I'm sorry, you're capped and doing epics and don't have a weapon that can hurt the EDQ? You don't belong in that raid. Shroud is a level 17 raid, it's not that tough. So the first 11 schmoes who hit my LFM might take 10 minutes longer than if I wait 20 minutes for the perfect group, it still gets done.

[stainer]

Shroud is a level 17 raid, it's not that tough. So the first 11 schmoes who hit my LFM might take 10 minutes longer than if I wait 20 minutes for the perfect group, it still gets done.

I half agree with you. I just want to get shroud over, as I do it in bunches across 6 characters. When you take the first 11, you get 5 that that start killing **** before anything is ready in part 2. 1 pew pew pew dragging the orthon all over the place. 3 that can't do a four row puzzle. 1 barbarian that runs when the blades come in even though mass heals are on him. And finally all 11 can't make a freaking circle around a mob in part 5.

[Slink]

During my hiatus to Orien (as soon as it went live) I acquired over 2 mil plat in under 1 1/2 months -and- geared alts with DR beaters both found and purchased.

Plat is easy to acquire same as DR breakers are.
Met/pg weapons are commonplace during the leveling process.

As far as the OP goes and some respondants.
At lvl shroud is capped at lvl 18 being it is a lvl 17 raid.
If the OP is trying to do so I am not sure why 19-20's feel obligated to chime in when being declined.

GL Ryan, I am sure you and Eric could do well together.
There are many other vets/TR out there that can benefit from your collaboration.

[Slink]

I half agree with you. I just want to get shroud over, as I do it in bunches across 6 characters. When you take the first 11, you get 5 that that start killing **** before anything is ready in part 2. 1 pew pew pew dragging the orthon all over the place. 3 that can't do a four row puzzle. 1 barbarian that runs when the blades come in even though mass heals are on him. And finally all 11 can't make a freaking circle around a mob in part 5.

+1 for speaking the truth

[PopeJual]

ok, Heres The Thing. Shroud Is A Pure Farming Quest Nowadays. Nobody Runs It sober For Fun.

Ftfy.

[Fomori]

In DDO knowledge truly is power. That is by far the biggest factor for a successful character. The other factors are gear and player skill. Usually player skill is something that is innate, but can be learned a little bit. However its also the least contributing factor and really is only good for offsetting lacking knowledge or gear. Gear then falls into the middle. Good gear can drag you through most any content. That is usually why people strive for the gear, it lets them get by more often with less knowledge and skill.

As far a making new toons on other servers, I have done that on every server (mainly to get the TP for getting up to 50 favor). I'm primarily a solo player normally so soloing on the other servers was easy for me, even more so at the lowest levels. I also have not bought any character options in the store, except for monk and some extra slots. Thus I only have 28 pt builds.

Making those toons I found that even untwinked I was still able to solo most content hard at level with only the gear I pickup up. Why? Because I am intimately familiar with the quests. I know what to bring, what is where, and what to avoid. Also I'm doing the little quests that drop some useful items that most vets skip for not being in the core powerleveling quests. Clickies are your friend.

Most vets you see are very capable players, even with new toons, but people being people usually only challenge themselves as far as they need to. Thus the majority of the time you will see people only wanting to run things they know they are overly qualified for because to them the challenge is simply the wait of getting the quest done. They want to be through and on to the next one as soon as possible. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that style it is just not me. My style does not make me a better person/player than they are anymore than their style makes them a better person/player over me, its just opinions at the end of the day.

[grodon9999]

I half agree with you. I just want to get shroud over, as I do it in bunches across 6 characters. When you take the first 11, you get 5 that that start killing **** before anything is ready in part 2. 1 pew pew pew dragging the orthon all over the place. 3 that can't do a four row puzzle. 1 barbarian that runs when the blades come in even though mass heals are on him. And finally all 11 can't make a freaking circle around a mob in part 5.

The pugs aren't that stupid on my server, not sure what to tell you. I take the first 11 that hit my LFM and roll, haven't had a fail since U5 was release. One close call, 99% are just smooth runs.

[stainer]

The pugs aren't that stupid on my server, not sure what to tell you. I take the first 11 that hit my LFM and roll, haven't had a fail since U5 was release. One close call, 99% are just smooth runs.

For some reason we get a lot of "Say What?" on our server. I was in a pug that two 18+ sorcs ran out of mana long before the last portal in part 1. It makes me cry.

[stainer]

+1 for speaking the truth

You taught me to shut it and get to the tree where the pulls go. Unless someone tells me to do something different, that is exactly what I do in part 2. I still don't know what is north and south in there.

[Slink]

Could be why I posted this here over a year ago?
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=308

Feed them info, not gear and monies.
Make them earn their keep Khyber.

If they cant afford gear they will find a way to get it by other means which usually means earning it the same way longtime players have.

[Lorz]

i tried to name one of my new charactors gimp so you lfm leaders could be well warned alas the name was already taken

Funny thing...when you see a toon named Gimp.....They tend not to be.

[Harncw]

Could be why I posted this here over a year ago?
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=308

Feed them info, not gear and monies.
Make them earn their keep Khyber.

If they cant afford gear they will find a way to get it by other means which usually means earning it the same way longtime players have.

Oh I see... so you are saying this is all my fault

All we need is aranticus to bump his thread about how to be shroud ready...
Am I ready? (getting ready for shroud completions)

[Slink]

Oh I see... so you are saying this is all my fault
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Again...+1 for speaking the truth!