The new age of gimps

[Emili]

Case in point. One has to be pretty smart to pick up another language on the short time of a holiday.

And again I think u should divulge details. Inquiring minds want to know. Along with Stainer and Hordo. Not sure if those two combined make one mind though lol.

Why would you be surprised women are social like men, tending to gather be natural. Aside from that ...

I too drank my share in school, yet maybe not quite as much as some of those attended the gigs... you see even this plain simple shy girl with a guitar strapped to her, even the drummer considered competition in sometimes more than one way. I'm sure Stainer and possibly Hordo know a few things bout me already... either direct or association.

[Tap4black]

FYI we ran a straight lowbie pug Shroud run and Hound last night and had no problem completing them. Several people were new to the game and the quest. They all had the right gear and listened. So it's possible if you hold people accoutable.

Oh, I believe there was one small issue on the first run Mr. DC right as the group zones into part 4 cuz you got too much animal porn on your HD!

[Aussieee]

So when do you have to be min lvl 18 to complete shroud or even be allowed in a shroud group. Lol things have gotten so sad and the players are that bad that you can no longer do shroud with charactors of the appropriate lvl for the quest range. Does anyone remember when you had to be a decent player and by the time you were lvl 13 you where flagged for shroud and running it?

The new world of must be over powered to run a quest is pathetic and sad!

It's kid of unrealistic to expect people to be well geared if they are just reaching level cap. if you are a new player starting out you can reach cap without even having many +6 items. Shroud was a end level content for a 1.5 years? People were sick of it and the population was a lot smaller, many people had many items and gear....... I think you are a bit over your head.

We used to run it at level 13 cause there was nothing else to run....... the people that are declining you probably haven't been around for long and I can't blame them if they do.

[Elation]

It's kid of unrealistic to expect people to be well geared if they are just reaching level cap. if you are a new player starting out you can reach cap without even having many +6 items. Shroud was a end level content for a 1.5 years? People were sick of it and the population was a lot smaller, many people had many items and gear....... I think you are a bit over your head.

We used to run it at level 13 cause there was nothing else to run....... the people that are declining you probably haven't been around for long and I can't blame them if they do.

Aussie get your story straight use your brain kinda of sick of reading your nonsense sometimes but here goes I didn't get declined read the post, and yes it was end game if you can recall becase i barely noticed you either during that time period i was there I ran it before everyone was geared to the death becuase its all there was. I wa not declined from a group and quite honestly wouldnt care if i was. I run my own groups when ever i need to have been leading raids for the same length of time as you. You can ask the eople ihere alot of them know me and know that i am completly capable of leading my own groups.
I am not asking people for anything I lead a group someone didnt like that i wasnt taking 20's thought it was sad that he tried to grief me for it. You know what its not my fault people choose not to gear thenselves up as they lvl it takes little to know brains to figure out lvl progression for gear. Personally just sick when you dont know what your taking about and feel free to comment.
As far as blaming them I still dont run with you very often or atleast not often enough for you to form any opinions of me and whether or not I should be accepted into groups.

[krud]

A 1->16 dash is not enough to aquire gear to carry your own weight through the Shroud. Add the very common among new players lack of knowledge and flawed build to the equation to see why lower levels are not welcome.

Seasoned vets on their TRs or frshly rolled toons are not a waste of slot even if only level 12 but they are rarely flagged until 15-17.

/agreed. though that still wouldn't stop me from including them.

I couldn't disagree more. One can get a silver or metaline good weapon at level six level four rr. Then you can get a Minos helm at level 11 and plus six stat items are dirt cheap if you by them as ml 15 opposed to ml 13. Guess what ? That's all one needs to walk into the shroud fully equiped. Ask anyone on here that's all one needs to bring. If they were to stupid to listen to being told not to use con as a dump stat well you can't bring smarts to the shroud if you don't already have them.

You obviously have not leveled a brand new character on a new server in quite a while have you?

I dropped to f2p a while back, and since my main server is full of toons i want to keep, I had to start on a new server for my new builds. IF you save plat exclusively for gearing up for the shroud it can be done, but if you go about the normal routine it is not so easy. Lemme guess, you are probably one of the first ones to chime in that nobody needs a healer to do any quest in game? Well, that's gonna require some resources right there. I know how to buy/sell on the AH, so at least I could accumulate enough plat to gear myself, but a newb probably won't, especially one who is also expected to be self sufficient while leveling up.

I've been very cheap with my AH purchases, yet halfway through level 15 I've had at most 30k plat at any one time. If you watch the AH like a hawk you might find a deal, but most likely you'll end up with stuff like +1 metalline/pg light hammers given that amount of plat. Decent Harry beaters are still priced fairly high. I monitored the AH the entire time I leveled up for harry beaters, and came up with two +3 met/pg kukris for ~30k plat total. I went broke acquiring them. I don't even have decent portal beaters yet (using vicious of pg - atm). I doubt a newb would have as much luck as I did.

Con and GFL items can be found, but finding them cheap on desirable item slots is not easy. I don't have the orchard pack, so I farmed relic for heavy fort necklace. That leaves belt and ring for GFL and con. One of those is gonna have to go on a ring. Rings are never cheap so one of those is gonna have to wait (no gfl atm).

I found it required quite an effort to fit everything in on a limited budget. I've been playing the game for quite a while, so I have a big advantage over anyone new to the game. I know where to look, and what I need. Even so, by most vet standards, I'd still be considered undergeared in the shroud.

[Elation]

/agreed. though that still wouldn't stop me from including them.


You obviously have not leveled a brand new character on a new server in quite a while have you?

I dropped to f2p a while back, and since my main server is full of toons i want to keep, I had to start on a new server for my new builds. IF you save plat exclusively for gearing up for the shroud it can be done, but if you go about the normal routine it is not so easy. Lemme guess, you are probably one of the first ones to chime in that nobody needs a healer to do any quest in game? Well, that's gonna require some resources right there. I know how to buy/sell on the AH, so at least I could accumulate enough plat to gear myself, but a newb probably won't, especially one who is also expected to be self sufficient while leveling up.

I've been very cheap with my AH purchases, yet halfway through level 15 I've had at most 30k plat at any one time. If you watch the AH like a hawk you might find a deal, but most likely you'll end up with stuff like +1 metalline/pg light hammers given that amount of plat. Decent Harry beaters are still priced fairly high. I monitored the AH the entire time I leveled up for harry beaters, and came up with two +3 met/pg kukris for ~30k plat total. I went broke acquiring them. I don't even have decent portal beaters yet (using vicious of pg - atm). I doubt a newb would have as much luck as I did.

Con and GFL items can be found, but finding them cheap on desirable item slots is not easy. I don't have the orchard pack, so I farmed relic for heavy fort necklace. That leaves belt and ring for GFL and con. One of those is gonna have to go on a ring. Rings are never cheap so one of those is gonna have to wait (no gfl atm).

I found it required quite an effort to fit everything in on a limited budget. I've been playing the game for quite a while, so I have a big advantage over anyone new to the game. I know where to look, and what I need. Even so, by most vet standards, I'd still be considered undergeared in the shroud.

Ok and for you if you see that he posted watch the vendors not the auction house you will see that theres a big difference easy thing to do is roll up a haggle bard and run a few lvl you can make plat fast or just sell all the junk. If your ftp and buying packs maybe you should research them to know what your getting into.

[Disavowed]

Aussie I rarely disagree with you but I will on this occassion. I stil llove you but I have to disagree with you. In fact I couldn't disagree with you and Krud both any more if I wanted to. See my above posted comment to Krag. Please read and consider my retort to him to be the exact same to you're above post.

Krud no I haven't brought a toon up an a server in a while. This is the only server I've been on (Reidra prior but not a change). I do have four life long friends who are new to the game and I've been helping level along. I've given them no more gear than what I've given to other total stranger newbies to the game that showed an interest and a willing to learn prior to their first Shroud run (after that yes I've loaned them Lg. Ing. to craft). I've been playing a while but I don't have the kind of gear or enough of it to cover 4 people with 5+ toons each, along with my 17 toons of which 5 were brand new to run with them as they all joined at different times. They bought most of the stuff they needed on their own or low and behold. They FARMED it! What a concept (Planer girds, Kardins eye, etc.).

On my ride home from work tonight I called one of them to let them know I couldn't get online tonight. I asked him what he was doing. His reply I'm on the forums and the character planner figuring out how I'm going to TR Krumrah. Guess what? I never told him how or where to get the character planner. He found out from here. Noobs don't bother to learn the game or what they need to farm. They won't even spend the time farming. They only care about leveling and will use us to carry them if needed then TR and do the same thing again. FYI all my friends started FTP and one still is and they all have hit 1750 favor thus expanding their skills/knowledge. They could have hit 20 way sooner but they understood the importance of grinding for favor and gear to become better players.

Why do my friends do this? Because what I did give them is some knowledge of the game and more importantly how to get to the Forums. They were smart enough to read on here because they wanted to be good players. They didn't want people to think they were gimped or not willing to carry their own weight. They funny thing is other vets noticed this. You know what several vets have done? They gave or loaned them gear. Last night Bojaxx loaned Rick his last 3 Blue dragon scales for his robe to go on his wiz/rogue Krummpet. TY Bojaxx!

Now to back my above posts. I did a little research on the AH and house D. The only gear one needs to be Shroud worthy is Con item, GFL item, Str item for damage (even if its a dex toon), and a heavy fort item (a portal ponder would be nice but not a must). The items I found weren't perfect but they would work and can carry a person thru the Shroud. Especially since we're talking Shroud at level 16-18 not 13-16.

Heavy fort robe 500 plat (yes plat) and 1k plat (yes again plat). Not too expensive. If you can't afford that you don't belong in the Shroud. Don't give me they need armor, because they don't. No real need for armor, your gonna get hit reagardless. You need fort more than AC, and and you need HP as well. I can keep most toons up spamming Mass cure light and mod w/ an occasional serious even if they're naked. As long as they have the HP I can keep them up regardless of AC. If they don't have HP that's their fault for not rerolling as we did. They'd rather just pike their way to 20 then TR. We didn't have that choice. We had no other choice but to reroll.

Here's what I found on the AH.

Gfl belt proof against poison 5K plat. Con 1 GFL belt 3k plat.

Con necklace +6 5.4k plat and 7k plat. ML 15

Str +6 bracers 9K plat and str gloves 6K plat. ML 15

So low end total 14.4K plat. High end 19K plat.

And the icing on the cake. House D the enchanted broker didn't have any Harry beaters but magical weapon vendor did. Granted I was lucky to find this and it was only a +1 battle axe ml 6 for 4.2k plat, but it was there. There was also a longsword on the AH for 12.5K plat buyout.

This resaerch took all of 15 minutes to do. Again the weapon is house D was lucky I'll admit but I do see them in there at least once a week and I don't look at it more than a few times/wk. The longsword was not as lucky. Fnds like this are there if one is persistant. Mind you, I only searched metalline I didn't even bother to search silver once I saw the longsword.

Explain this. A newbie rogue wanted in my lowbie Shroud run with no Harry beater. He asked what he needed and I told him. Before the LFM had filled about ten minutes later he links me a metalline great club of PG. Optimal? No. Workable enough to let him in? YES! Why did it happen? Because he's a newb, not a noob. He wanted to learn, and he wanted to learn the proper way. Fail or not he deserves to be in my lowbie Shroud run. His less than perfect weapon isn't going to take us down even if we all came equiped as he did we'd get thru with very little effort as long as everyone listened and worked together.


So all total less than 25Kpp to get a toon Shroud ready. Don't give me it's to expensive. They will get 25K in loot from their first Shroud run alone. Maybe that's why my buddies have been able to be geared and run Shroud runs for full XP at level 16-18. They are newbs, not noobs, they put in the effort and improve their skills and knowledge of the game by reading on here and asking questions.

So again I can't disagree more. Show me proof of why it can't be done. As I've shown you proof of how it can be done in less than 15 minutes of research. Stop enabling these noobs and making excuses for them. Emili mad a valid statement above. We were doing this at 13-16 and we didn't have gear or the knowledge when it first came out. In less than 3 months we were having contests to see who could get done the fastest. Mind you Harry beaters were easier to aquire but being leve 16-20 more than makes up for that.

So as the OP stated. It's the "new age of gimps" and it's a very true statement.

[Aussieee]

Aussie get your story straight use your brain kinda of sick of reading your nonsense sometimes but here goes I didn't get declined read the post, and yes it was end game if you can recall becase i barely noticed you either during that time period i was there I ran it before everyone was geared to the death becuase its all there was. I wa not declined from a group and quite honestly wouldnt care if i was. I run my own groups when ever i need to have been leading raids for the same length of time as you. You can ask the eople ihere alot of them know me and know that i am completly capable of leading my own groups.
I am not asking people for anything I lead a group someone didnt like that i wasnt taking 20's thought it was sad that he tried to grief me for it. You know what its not my fault people choose not to gear thenselves up as they lvl it takes little to know brains to figure out lvl progression for gear. Personally just sick when you dont know what your taking about and feel free to comment.
As far as blaming them I still dont run with you very often or atleast not often enough for you to form any opinions of me and whether or not I should be accepted into groups.

Yea yea, maybe you should fix your original Op and make more sense. That's the only 1 I red and from it it kind of looked like you were crying about somebody declining you from a group..... After reading the rest of the post I saw that was not the story.

Anyways it's not easy to get gear if you are coming from nothing. Maybe you should roll a new character and go with what you get without transferring money or items.

I didn't mean you, I meant you as in anyone. I don't think I have grouped with you or if I have I don't even know it was you. I was more referring to if I was a new person leading a Shroud for somewhat 1st time I wouldn't let lower levels in, as they would suck as my character would .......

Krud no I haven't brought a toon up an a server in a while. This is the only server I've been on (Reidra prior but not a change). I do have four life long friends who are new to the game and I've been helping level along. I've given them no more gear than what I've given to other total stranger newbies to the game that showed an interest and a willing to learn prior to their first Shroud run (after that yes I've loaned them Lg. Ing. to craft). I've been playing a while but I don't have the kind of gear or enough of it to cover 4 people with 5+ toons each, along with my 17 toons of which 5 were brand new to run with them as they all joined at different times.

On my ride home from work tonight I called one of them to let them know I couldn't get online tonight. I asked him what he was doing. His reply I'm on the forums and the character planner figuring out how I'm going to TR Krumrah. Guess what? I never told him how or where to get the character planner. He found out from here. Noobs don't bother to learn the game or what they need to farm. They won't even spend the time farming. They only care about leveling and will use us to carry them if needed then TR and do the same thing again. FYI all my friends started FTP and one still is and they all have hit 1750 favor thus expanding their skills/knowledge. They could have hit 20 way sooner but they understood the importance of grinding for favor and gear to become better players.

Why do my friends do this? Because what I did give them is some knowledge of the game and more importantly how to get to the Forums. They were smart enough to read on here because they wanted to be good players. They didn't want people to think they were gimped or not willing to carry their own weight. They funny thing is other vets noticed this. You know what several vets have done? They gave or loaned them gear. Last night Bojaxx loaned Rick his last 3 Blue dragon scales for his robe to go on his wiz/rogue Krummpet. TY Bojaxx!

Now to back my above posts. I did a little research on the AH and house D. The only gear one needs to be Shroud worthy is Con item, GFL item, Str item for damage (even if its a dex toon), and a heavy fort item (a portal ponder would be nice but not a must). The items I found weren't perfect but they would work and can carry a person thru the Shroud. Especially since we're talking Shroud at level 16-18 not 13-16.

Heavy fort robe 500 plat (yes plat) and 1k plat (yes again plat). Not too expensive. If you can't afford that you don't belong in the Shroud. Don't give me they need armor, because they don't. No real need for armor, your gonna get hit reagardless. You need fort more than AC, and and you need HP as well. I can keep most toons up spamming Mass cure light and mod w/ an occasional serious even if they're naked. As long as they have the HP I can keep them up regardless of AC. If they don't have HP that's their fault for not rerolling as we did. They'd rather just pike their way to 20 then TR. We didn't have that choice. We had no other choice but to reroll.

Here's what I found on the AH.

Gfl belt proof against poison 5K plat. Con 1 GFL belt 3k plat.

Con necklace +6 5.4k plat and 7k plat. ML 15

Str +6 bracers 9K plat and str gloves 6K plat. ML 15

So low end total 14.4K plat. High end 19K plat.

And the icing on the cake. House D the enchanted broker didn't have any Harry beaters but magical weapon vendor did. Granted I was lucky to find this and it was only a +1 battle axe ml 6 for 4.2k plat, but it was there. There was also a longsword on the AH for 12.5K plat buyout.

This resaerch took all of 15 minutes to do. Again the weapon is house D was lucky I'll admit but I do see them in there at least once a week and I don't look at it more than a few times/wk. The longsword was not as lucky. Fnds like this are there if one is persistant. Mind you, I only searched metalline I didn't even bother to search silver once I saw the longsword.

My problem is with people wanting the newer players to be prepared to know where to look and what to look for. If you have somebody like yourself to help them out and guide them their route will be a lot easier. If you can tell somebody what to look for they can find it. If I was new would I know what the forums are? Would I know what weapon I would need for each quest? Would I be geared enough with simple +6 items? No, I woudn't be. maybe they are here for the fun of the game and don't really care if they don't have everything they need? For us vets it might be the minimum but I bet you for a new guy it isn't.

When we were leveling we had the time to learn from our own mistakes and try it over and over again. You know how many wipes I have had? LOL Anyone remember then the vamp quest in house p was crazy hard and people would have a really hard time to finishing it?

New players now don't really get to experience this..... casual setting anyone? DDO store easy button? TR's zerging the way and leveling them faster then they can get to the end chest? We need to back off a bit and let them enjoy the game more, then worrying about what they need to have! When they are ready to realize that they need more they will start searching on their own.

The other day I was trading somebody for a DOD. He got lucky and pulled 1....... I asked him what he wanted and he wanted large scales...... he didn't know what the shroud was , how to flag, what to make..... he just knew that he NEEDS gs and he wanted to make 1. I threw him also enough smalls and mediums so he can get his weapon updated as fast as he gets his shards. It was sad for me to watch a new player worrying about gs when he didn't even knew where the area or quests are Maybe we pressure them 2 much to try to have better gear?
and people forget to really enjoy the game.....

Seriously I don't bother asking people to link weapons...... for normal shroud if we can't carry 3-4 newer guys then we better wipe See for higher difficulties I would raise the bar and maybe ask them to link it.

[issiana]

Anyways it's not easy to get gear if you are coming from nothing. Maybe you should roll a new character and go with what you get without transferring money or items.

I'm going to disagree with you.

When orien was launched i took the opportunity like many others to start a new character. It was slow going. AH was empty, vendors where empty but i loved it as everyone was equal. Slowly however as time went by ppl started to shine out over others, why? because they knew the value of what they pulled.

Many times i lamented not being able to transfer over a character with hundreds od thousands of plat, all power 5 items and + stat items etc... But that was the fate of a new server. I took a break and came back to the server about 3 months ago as a very underequiped and very poor lvl 8.

I sold all i looted on AH for small makeups but everything was at least x3 the value of what a vendor would give me - everything sold because it was reasonably priced. As my plat grew i looked for items in vendors - i bought items that ppl junked ie +4 str bracers with extra stuff min lvl11 etc..

By the time i was lvl 15 i had all +6 stat items and +30% striders and heavy fort.

It was pretty easy to get the stuff because the server was established by this stage and items where plentiful on the vendors/ AH.

What amzed me was the ppl i ran with had next to nothing of what i considered to be basic essential gear.

SO, the conclusion is this - starting out on a new server is VERY EASY but only IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO! If your a total new person then you have no idea the power of a+30% striders, heavy fort and +6 stat items let alone the different weapons.

What it really shows is those who look into things get rewarded, those who put there head in the sand and want to get dragged though are fools. Sadly there are far to many fools in circulation these days

[Elation]

I was going to reply to aussie but realised its a waste on this front our opinion on things dont often match up. So back to the point you dont have to be capped or near it for shroud, hound, vod on normal hard or elite. ToD is a little different it might take a bit more but a good group of 18 could do it. You do not need a warforged tank for Vod it can be done with just about any solid dps toon or inti toon and even some ac monks dont have a problem.

[Aussieee]

My problem is with people wanting the newer players to be prepared to know where to look and what to look for. If you have somebody like yourself to help them out and guide them their route will be a lot easier. If you can tell somebody what to look for they can find it. If I was new would I know what the forums are? Would I know what weapon I would need for each quest? Would I be geared enough with simple +6 items? No, I woudn't be. maybe they are here for the fun of the game and don't really care if they don't have everything they need? For us vets it might be the minimum but I bet you for a new guy it isn't.

When we were leveling we had the time to learn from our own mistakes and try it over and over again. You know how many wipes I have had? LOL Anyone remember then the vamp quest in house p was crazy hard and people would have a really hard time to finishing it?

New players now don't really get to experience this..... casual setting anyone? DDO store easy button? TR's zerging the way and leveling them faster then they can get to the end chest? We need to back off a bit and let them enjoy the game more, then worrying about what they need to have! When they are ready to realize that they need more they will start searching on their own.

The other day I was trading somebody for a DOD. He got lucky and pulled 1....... I asked him what he wanted and he wanted large scales...... he didn't know what the shroud was , how to flag, what to make..... he just knew that he NEEDS gs and he wanted to make 1. I threw him also enough smalls and mediums so he can get his weapon updated as fast as he gets his shards. It was sad for me to watch a new player worrying about gs when he didn't even knew where the area or quests are Maybe we pressure them 2 much to try to have better gear?
and people forget to really enjoy the game.....

Seriously I don't bother asking people to link weapons...... for normal shroud if we can't carry 3-4 newer guys then we better wipe See for higher difficulties I would raise the bar and maybe ask them to link it.

[/color=red]I'm going to disagree with you.[/color]

When orien was launched i took the opportunity like many others to start a new character. It was slow going. AH was empty, vendors where empty but i loved it as everyone was equal. Slowly however as time went by ppl started to shine out over others, why? because they knew the value of what they pulled.

Many times i lamented not being able to transfer over a character with hundreds od thousands of plat, all power 5 items and + stat items etc... But that was the fate of a new server. I took a break and came back to the server about 3 months ago as a very underequiped and very poor lvl 8.

I sold all i looted on AH for small makeups but everything was at least x3 the value of what a vendor would give me - everything sold because it was reasonably priced. As my plat grew i looked for items in vendors - i bought items that ppl junked ie +4 str bracers with extra stuff min lvl11 etc..

By the time i was lvl 15 i had all +6 stat items and +30% striders and heavy fort.

It was pretty easy to get the stuff because the server was established by this stage and items where plentiful on the vendors/ AH.

What amzed me was the ppl i ran with had next to nothing of what i considered to be basic essential gear.

SO, the conclusion is this - starting out on a new server is VERY EASY but only IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO! If your a total new person then you have no idea the power of a+30% striders, heavy fort and +6 stat items let alone the different weapons.

What it really shows is those who look into things get rewarded, those who put there head in the sand and want to get dragged though are fools. Sadly there are far to many fools in circulation these days

It' not disagreeing if you are agreeing with me We are kind of saying the same things no? You decided to skip most of my post hehe.

Have you considered that maybe some people don't really care about the game as much as we do? And maybe they are just having fun?

I am gonna try something on 1 of my trs...... not use any of my acquired items and just use what I pull. I will not use AH and vendors as I know what to look for. I will only use the money I get to buy potions and only use my haste clickies. Then I am gonna post and see if really is that easy to get items..... you will also have to keep in mind that leveling up a tr does take a hell a lot more xp then a regular character.

[issiana]

I was going to reply to aussie but realised its a waste on this front our opinion on things dont often match up. So back to the point you dont have to be capped or near it for shroud, hound, vod on normal hard or elite. ToD is a little different it might take a bit more but a good group of 18 could do it. You do not need a warforged tank for Vod it can be done with just about any solid dps toon or inti toon and even some ac monks dont have a problem.

Agreed 100%

the old saying rings true... "theres more than one way to skin a cat"

looking outside that box we all get stuffed in is a good thing to do

[Aussieee]

I was going to reply to aussie but realised its a waste on this front our opinion on things dont often match up. So back to the point you dont have to be capped or near it for shroud, hound, vod on normal hard or elite. ToD is a little different it might take a bit more but a good group of 18 could do it. You do not need a warforged tank for Vod it can be done with just about any solid dps toon or inti toon and even some ac monks dont have a problem.

Oh look we agree on something

[issiana]

It' not disagreeing if you are agreeing with me We are kind of saying the same things no? You decided to skip most of my post hehe.

Have you considered that maybe some people don't really care about the game as much as we do? And maybe they are just having fun?

I am gonna try something on 1 of my trs...... not use any of my acquired items and just use what I pull. I will not use AH and vendors as I know what to look for. I will only use the money I get to buy potions and only use my haste clickies. Then I am gonna post and see if really is that easy to get items..... you will also have to keep in mind that leveling up a tr does take a hell a lot more xp then a regular character.

hehe sounds like permadeath to me
Something I do as well.

but again, knowledge is power and we both are pretty powerful no matter what we get handed to play, lol.

[Elation]

No aussie you guys were not saying the same thing you said would you expect some one to have the +6 stat items(the implication was that with out help they would not) he said yes it should be expected. Pretty simple and give it a try with your tr you will find that its really not hard to do and getting gear that works maybe not the best end game loot ever but suitable is not hard to do.

[FluffyCalico]

You do not need a warforged tank for Vod it can be done with just about any solid dps toon or inti toon and even some ac monks dont have a problem.

Um it can be soloed. That doesn't make it the easiest way

[Elation]

Its rare but bound to happen at some point. The thing is if your playing for fun shouldnt having a basic understanding of your toons and the function be there?

[Elation]

Um it can be soloed. That doesn't make it the easiest way

I know this already you pointed out an obvious well done lol but the point is alot of people believe you have to have a warforge tank. Its not a must and sometimes its not even easier.

[Emili]

It' not disagreeing if you are agreeing with me We are kind of saying the same things no? You decided to skip most of my post hehe.

Have you considered that maybe some people don't really care about the game as much as we do? And maybe they are just having fun?

I am gonna try something on 1 of my trs...... not use any of my acquired items and just use what I pull. I will not use AH and vendors as I know what to look for. I will only use the money I get to buy potions and only use my haste clickies. Then I am gonna post and see if really is that easy to get items..... you will also have to keep in mind that leveling up a tr does take a hell a lot more xp then a regular character.

Actually Aussieee I think you'd find you'd suffice on the gear which drops in chests, I leveled a chanter - while not a TR last year - what I found myself doing was not caring bout sending her gear as she level's that quickly but whatever she pulled sufficed ... the loot available these days from lower levels is far more usable and adjustable than it was years ago... even at the time we first foot into the vale we had nowhere near the drops or shear quantity of adjustable loot we pull today.

[Rog]

This topic seems to keep coming up... so considering my Shroud lfms are always labeled on the LFM as 18-20, let me just state that I'm too lazy to change it. It always ends up suprising me when a lvl 17 or 16 sends me a tell whether it'd be okay if they joined... until i realize the LFM is set at 18-20.

my level 17 tr monk mojo deals with this a lot. sad part is i have the metaline of puregood wraps. really missing my tod ring sets til 18 so i understand. on the bright side ran it once on a 17 to 20 group AND harry did not have death ward just saved a lot. not sure what i am to do when every creature is immune to negetive enegy? might respec.