That strange Ritual called "Thanksgiving"

[Khanyth]

Alright, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water systems, and public health. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

Through war

[Rylex_Night-Shield]

Through war

Awwww... looks like someone missed the movie reference. There, there, it'll be alright. Someone will explain the joke to you eventually. *pats head*

[Glenalth]

I lol'd

[Zilta]

I would not describe the ancient romans as a great advanced civilisation.

What exactly do you consider an advanced civilization if not the romans?

[iAreTehDoc]

Alright, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water systems, and public health. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

Aww man... at least someone got it, thank you ^^

And i Just do not consider the romans as that much more advanced than other people in that period of time. I am not saying romans were all stupid caveman, all I am saying is that the other people living around werent either

Oh and btw.: si vis pacem para bellum!

[Winter_storm]

Well turkey are natural to America and is a staple of the Native American diet. Chickens are not native and at that time goods alive or dead perished quickly on the many months journey on the ship. I'm pretty sure the pilgrim crops failed (since the seeds was not native to this soil) and I imagine that that they though it dangerous to go out and hunt. Since they had the perception there was wildmen and savages about. This later became the opposite where the many different tribes radically changed how our wisdom, perception of the land, and warfare was thought of. Interesting enough Native Americans today still give tribute to our Vets and the fallen once a year like they have for many ages for their own.

In that time many Natives perished, mostly from disease that spread from first contact of Spain and the many continuing contacts from that time. Scientist calculate that 1/2 to 3/4 passed away before we started going into the interior of America.

But as a good turn the day is about giving thanks for what we have and received, to get in contact with family we haven't seen for a while, and to give a hot plate of turkey to those in need.

It would be nice to see a thanksgiving tribute to our Natives, one can only hope.

There are many books on the subject. Like these:

Mayflower
Nathaniel Philbrick

Pocahontas: Medicine Woman, Spy, Entrepreneur, Diplomat
Paula Gunn Allen

But understand no one really knows the truth or the end all book of what happened. There still fighting over this part of history. You can (which I haven't done yet) do is visit Jamestown. the website is here:

http://www.nps.gov/jame/index.htm

And Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

What exactly do you consider an advanced civilization if not the romans?

Atlantis!

[Jonny_D]

couple things...
Canada has its own Thanksgiving day in October

Rome conquered the Germanic tribes

Rome did not however conquer all the British celts (mostly picts and scots)

pax romana = peace of Rome, which was the motto of Roman civilization

Germany never conquered England or the United States or Canada for that matter. However the The Holy Roman Empire did in fact conquer Rome even though the Emperor was german

Turkey is a country in the middle east, it used to be the seat of the Roman Emperor of the east.



that is all

[Postumus]

I would not describe the ancient romans as a great advanced civilisation.

Please just stop. Just stop the nonsense. Right now. Please.


I have to read a lot of ignorant garbage on this forum, but please, please this is too much.

[Postumus]

Alright, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water systems, and public health. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

[iAreTehDoc]

couple things...

Rome conquered the Germanic tribes

... and Pigs CAN fly?

I've been told different. As far as I know there were a few germanic tribes living to the west of the River Rhein wich was the border to ther german lands conquered by Rome (not all of them as in "The Germanic Tribes"). Romans tried a few times to cross that river but always got beaten up badly on the eastern side - so they never conquered anything east the Rhein. One of those battles was the battle at the Teutoburger Wald where three complete roman Legions "disappered".
You can read more about that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...utoburg_Forest

Turkey is a country in the middle east, it used to be the seat of the Roman Emperor of the east.

And I must confess that I for myself have never in my Life eaten any Turkey wich i admit as a personal shame.

Please just stop. Just stop the nonsense. Right now. Please.


I have to read a lot of ignorant garbage on this forum, but please, please this is too much.

Go away? Read something else? (just a suggestion)

[Postumus]

... and Pigs CAN fly?

I've been told different. As far as I know there were a few germanic tribes living to the west of the River Rhein wich was the border to ther german lands conquered by Rome (not all of them as in "The Germanic Tribes").

I asked you to stop. Nicely in fact.


I don't care what Germanophile told you what reconstructed lies, but the German tribes - the ones living in little wattle and daub huts (that's sticks and cow excrement for the rest of you) got pwned. Over and over and over.


The main reason the Romans didn't try to establish permanent settlements beyond the Rhine was b/c there WAS NOTHING WORTH CONQUERING! It was a giant medieval forest filled with dirty barbarians who had no idea what value things like writing and bathing had until the Romans taught them.


The Germans were so backward they didn't even have a word for window. Fenster? That's Latin. The Romans gave them that. Why? Because the concept of cutting a hole in the side of your hut to look outside was alien to German tribesmen.


The Germans were so in awe of Rome and the Romans, that they did everything they could to become them - see Charlemagne (Karl de Grosse), Bismark, Hitler, etc.


Quit trying to re-write history. The numerous settlements, roads, forts, and cities built by the Romans that are still used by S. Germans and French today are physical testament to your spectacularly utter ignorance.

[iAreTehDoc]

Nope, that was not nicely how you asked.

So if you do not care, how comes that you are so insulting?
Please be careful about that.

[Jonny_D]

Did you read your own source which you ase your position on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...utoburg_Forest
From the time of the rediscovery of Roman sources in the 15th Century, the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest has been seen as a pivotal clash which ended Roman expansion into northern Europe. This notion became especially prevalent in the 19th Century, where it formed an integral part of the mythology of German nationalism. However, more recently, scholars have begun to question this interpretation and have pointed out reasons why the Rhine was a much more practical boundary for the Roman Empire than any other river in Germania. Logistically, armies on the Rhine could be supplied from the Mediterranean via the Rhone and Mosel, with a brief stretch of portage. Armies on the Elbe, on the other hand, would have to have been supplied either by extensive overland routes or ships travelling the hazardous Atlantic seas. Economically, the Rhine was already supporting towns and sizeable villages at the time of the Gallic conquest. Northern Germania, however, was far less developed, possessed fewer villages, and had little food surplus. Thus the Rhine was both significantly more accessible from Rome and better equipped to supply sizeable garrisons than the regions beyond.

Maybe you get your info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix

btw its not fair arguing against Germans about nationalism because it only takes like 4 posts to escalate to Godwin's Law

[iAreTehDoc]

So, did you have any turkey?

[Jonny_D]

So, did you have any turkey?

i had turkey on Canadian Thanksgiving, Warsteiner during Octoberfest and ham yesterday

[Wardancer420]

i had turkey on Canadian Thanksgiving, Warsteiner during Octoberfest and ham yesterday

How do you tell the difference between ham and bacon up there in the forsaken north?

[Aaxeyu]

Alright, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water systems, and public health. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

+1 for python reference

[Kits]

for Us, It Is Delicious.

For The Turkey, It Is The Holocaust!

Lmao

[AyumiAmakusa]

Most of us just know it as 'The day we eat Turkey'.

P.S. No offence intended to anyone.