Enough with the Ottos Dance Exploit

[Cleric999]

The ottos dance exploit is getting really old. A caster with no skill can simply ottos dance someone a ridiculously long time with no possible save and cast attack spells over and over. It's simply ruining PVP and would like to see this resolved in update 8.

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Few general responses regarding a few points as there's been a lot more posts than I expected:

- I'm not suggesting do what some MMORPGs do and allow people to be player-killed (PKed) while in dungeons and such. PVP should remain to be optional but there should be tournaments, class balance, etc.
- I agree with a poster regarding a lot of balance and bug fixes are needed to be done in PVE. This should take priority over fixing/expanding/tweaking PVP.
- Spells can work differently in PVP than do against mobs. Ottos Irresistible dance could simply be made a 5 second dance with a 30 second recharge. This is a very simple change and multiple spells/skills/feats/enchantments need similar tweaking.
- There's a capture the flag and deathmatch in the Marketplace arena but the game doesn't promote it and it's fairly hidden so it's rarely used. Also, half the matches I've done of those bug out and random people get booted at the beginning.
- Turbine is charging a subscription fee on the high end compared to most MMORPGs to experience most high level content. On top of that they also have a store they profit from. Not saying there is anything wrong with doing either of these things but their quality control, support, and commitment to resolving issues should be a lot better than it is. Personally, like most players I've been adversely affected by bugs on multiple occasions (I have VIP membership/spent money in the store) and then dismissed by a GM when requesting some kind of compensation. There is no benefit of the doubt offered to veteran players and doesn't seem like they are really listened to. Regarding development/quality control, most MMORPG vendors if they had a widespread bug such as most parties not being able to enter epic difficulty level without someone having to relog in, it would be resolved within days and weeks have went by and still no fix for it.

[ToKu]

I thought this was due to a amrath belt? Casters can do it now too?

-Edit : Oh PvP...

[Eistander]

I think he means the Otto's Irresistible Dance.

Only "fix" I see is remove the spell altogether, that would make it fair, right? In effect the best defense against a caster, is to NOT get in that casting range, or use items to protect yourself from said spells.. or even better than that, don't PVP, knowing that it is not a balanced aspect of this PvE game.

[Dandonk]

Oh, no... Not Another PVP Thread /vomit

[Goldeneye]

But PvP is the perfect measure of game balance.

[Celestialbeast]

The only way it's an "Exploit" is if you're getting hit 30 ft away. It's Irresistible for a reason. Go quest or something more important.

Hell go watch grass grow, PvP is only for testing gear/builds and watching grass grow is exponentially more important.

[TasMagar]

Oh, no... Not Another PVP Thread /vomit

/signed

But PvP is the perfect measure of game balance.

No at all. The game is supposed to be PvE.

I think he means the Otto's Irresistible Dance.

Only "fix" I see is remove the spell altogether, that would make it fair, right? In effect the best defense against a caster, is to NOT get in that casting range, or use items to protect yourself from said spells.. or even better than that, don't PVP, knowing that it is not a balanced aspect of this PvE game.

Then we should remove many abilities and spell that not work balanced in PvP. The game is PvE. Lets not ruin this by removing spells not good in pvp. Not a good suggestion to remove bard's best spell. But I agree on the last part .

[frznvimes]

No at all. The game is supposed to be PvE.

I believe Goldeneye was being sarcastic

[Glenalth]

The ottos dance exploit is getting really old. A caster with no skill can simply ottos dance someone a ridiculously long time with no possible save and cast attack spells over and over. It's simply ruining PVP and would like to see this resolved in update 8.

There is no exploit going on here, you just need to defend against it. As you've already learned, there is no save.

Defenses for this off the top of my head ...
1. Mantle of the World-shaper
2. Pale Lavender Ioun Stone
3. Scarab of Spell Absorption
4. Keeping your position out of range
5. Dance them first
6. A SR high enough to matter (not sure if this is possible)
7. Stay behind them

[GBantaR]

1. This is not General Gameplay

2. This is not an exploit. You are no using the term exploit correctly per this game's own definition as covered on the forums

3. If it WAS an exploit it would be forbidden to speak of it on the forums

4. You do not offer a possible solution, only a complaint

5. You are asking for a "fix" of a spell in a PvE game because of that spell's effect on PvP

Therefore:

Someone please neg rep this guy because I can't yet.

/stormoffinahuff

[Eistander]

Then we should remove many abilities and spell that not work balanced in PvP. The game is PvE. Lets not ruin this by removing spells not good in pvp. Not a good suggestion to remove bard's best spell. But I agree on the last part .

Sorry, seems that my sarcasm throughout that last bit was not really clear.. I have been here for far too long to see any kind of PvP balancing, and don't care for these ideas to make it better. I personally think it would be best left exactly as is, and that people do in fact go into the tavern brawls, *KNOWING* that nothing is balanced, fair nor will it ever be changed.

On the other hand, I cannot possibly come up with a viable alternative outside of "leave it alone/should never have been implemented to begin with".. not much of alternative, but hey, when you got nothing, you wave it around for all its possibly worth.

[ddoer]

Only "fix" I see is remove the spell altogether, that would make it fair, right? In effect the best defense against a caster, is to NOT get in that casting range, or use items to protect yourself from said spells.. or even better than that, don't PVP, knowing that it is not a balanced aspect of this PvE game.

after removed the spell, they can remove stunning blow to strike a balance between caster and melee in pvp

[GBantaR]

after removed the spell, they can remove stunning blow to strike a balance between caster and melee in pvp

Captain, our sarcasm sensors are overloading!

[Alternative]

Bloody casters! remove all their spells altogether, and just keep the buffs so that they can hjaste my 400hp 40ac tank!

[Senshock]

I believe "PvP" or w/e it is has it own forums - please move this thread to that little dark backwater pls

/tosses 2 copper at the dancers....*woop*

[Glenalth]

Someone please neg rep this guy because I can't yet.

/stormoffinahuff

It is not neg rep material, it is just a poster that either does not know the terms yet or is uninformed about how the game works.

[blitzschlag]

Someone please neg rep this guy because I can't yet.

i think asking to neg-rep someone is worth of a disapproval

[GBantaR]

It is not neg rep material, it is just a poster that either does not know the terms yet or is uninformed about how the game works.

Good point, forgot to look - didn't realize it's only his 14th post.

OP please put your posts in the appropriate forum in the future, offer solutions or suggestions instead of complaining and realize that this game was never and will never be designed for PvP, only for PvE and plan accordingly. That pretty much sums it up.

[r3dl4nce]

The ottos dance exploit is getting really old. A caster with no skill can simply ottos dance someone a ridiculously long time with no possible save and cast attack spells over and over. It's simply ruining PVP and would like to see this resolved in update 8.

DDO is NOT a PvP game. Live with it or leave.

[Inspire]

Thats not an exploit, its a game mechanic that is working as intended. It is however, greifing if he spam casts that spell on you, and you can report the caster for doing so.