Enough with the Ottos Dance Exploit

[JollySwagMan]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save, why should Ottos Irresistible Dance be any different?

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I did have some frustrations with this spell when attempting VON 1 solo though. Died a couple of times before realising a pet, especially one that deals fire damage, can be quite handy.

[noinfo]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save, why should Ottos Irrestible Dance be any different?

The clue is in the name...

[blitzschlag]

Oh me... I'm nobody, i'm just the voice of every person whose ever been insta killed by level 20 character in PVP in a starting area (even though there are other PVP areas that are literally never used , in areas known for higher level play).

-M

all pvp pits i know are in the city and thus can be reached by everyone independant of lvl. so why not go somewhere where noone is if you want private pvp? or better yet, use one of the pvp instances.

you want lvl 2 only pvp? open up a lfm and enter a private pvp instance.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

The ottos dance exploit is getting really old.

As others have said, its not an exploit, its working as it is supposed to - and there are defenses, which Glenalth has listed.

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save

How can your name be "cleric" and you think this is the case? Checked out your Searing Light spell for example?

You are simply wrong.

why should Ottos Irrestible Dance be any different? I highly doubt it was ever intended to be able to be abused in PVP.

I highly doubt they considered it since PVP is unimportant in this game and no changes should ever be made to this game to make you happy in PVP - besides, there is nothing wrong with the spell as is, you can easily protect against it

[sainy_matthew]

all pvp pits i know are in the city and thus can be reached by everyone independant of lvl. so why not go somewhere where no one is if you want private pvp? or better yet, use one of the pvp instances.

They can be reached independent of level, by low level players stick to the harbour until they know enough to take the training wheels off, which means new players fresh off the boat don't know about them & as such can't seek them out. Heck i've never seen more then wayward lobster and the Pheonix used & there like 3(?) more PVP zones.

you want lvl 2 only pvp? open up a lfm and enter a private pvp instance.

I'd prefer no PVP at all if given a choice. It really does get kind of sad, when you look into the wayward lobster PVP section and find it stocked with a group of lvl 20, fully buffed vetrans (usually team up for laughs) proving how awesome they are by one shotting lowbies... Its kind of like using a tactical nuke to swat a fly. I say remove the free for all PVP zones.

-M

[Noctus]

Another wining thread about PvP?

I want my 30 secs of lifetime back i just wasted..

/*wurgghs*

[lazyninja81]

There's no reason with DnD that the current PVP system can't be tweaked to make it more balanced and to provide some diversity in what can do in the game.

The amount of 'tweaking' you're talking about is too much. Would you start throwing out all spells without saves to satisfy melee types? How about dumping SR because some PvP casters don't like it? The list would become endless and the result would be a game nothing like DOO. Plus, all that dev time is wasted on stuff only a handful of people are interested in and probably no one is going to pay for. So why would Turbine ever bother?

Should say,

There's no reason with DnD that the current PVP system "should" be tweaked...

[Purgatory]

Please dont post about exploits as big as this one on the forums or everyone going to start using it

[efreet5]

Thats not an exploit, its a game mechanic that is working as intended. It is however, greifing if he spam casts that spell on you, and you can report the caster for doing so.

No, he can't. He's calling it an exploit because I assume he's dying from getting locked in dance, because he explicitly states that the caster is then spamming damage spells.

[Purgatory]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save,.

-1 for spreading false information

[k1ngp1n]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save

ORLY?

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Polar_Ray

[GBantaR]

-1 for spreading false information

THANK YOU SIR!

I have been waiting for you.

[Rav'n]

Bloody casters! remove all their spells altogether, and just keep the buffs so that they can hjaste my 400hp 40ac tank!

OG RE-ROLL QUICK!!! My Non-Melee Bard has more AC AND HP!!

[Rubiconn]

But PvP is the perfect measure of game balance.

If this were a pvp based game perhaps but since it is not it isnt.

[Rav'n]

Another wining thread about PvP?

I want my 30 secs of lifetime back i just wasted..

/*wurgghs*

You'll get your 30 Seconds back when you FIX your Signature!!

I wanna know what Noctus Spoke!!!

[Jay203]

and here we have H4x on his non-sorc toon

[Rubiconn]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save, why should Ottos Irrestible Dance be any different? I highly doubt it was ever intended to be able to be abused in PVP. Wayward lobster is a small cramped arena, there's no way to be able to do enough damage to a WF caster before the caster can get close enough to dance you.

There's no reason with DnD that the current PVP system can't be tweaked to make it more balanced and to provide some diversity in what can do in the game. PVP currently doesn't and shouldn't be forced onto people but there's no reason it can't add fun optional gameplay. As it is right now if you have a beef with someone or guilds want to prove they are better than someone else there's no way to fairly settle it. Right now all guilds can do is talk trash to each other which is pointless. When look at games like Lineage 2 guilds can fight for control of castles every week and have an impact on the in-game economy, which really adds an interesting, fun, and competitive element to the game. I think many people here are very resistant to change as many are longterm paper and paper DnD players.

The name of the spell tells you what it will do, OTTOS IRRESISTIBLE DANCE, not Ottos resistable under the right circumstances expecially pvp dance. Why not find a tensers wand, cast it on him and then take a 1/2 hour with your little lowby and beat on the lvl 17+ caster. This is why PVP needs to be eliminated from the game completely. It adds nothing to the game and I personally have very little grief for a whole guild, certain members is a different story but I only discriminate against certain players never the guild.

Acutally most guilds mind their own business, spend very little time as a group in the pvp pits so your assumption that all they do is grief each other is wrong.
This is not lineage 2 this is DDO if you want guild on guild action go play a game that emphasizes it. I am so tired of people griefing about how bad pvp, stop please. 99% of the player base uses pvp for what it is intended, a little break from the adventure and to try out some new stuff. I feel it would be wrong to change how the rest of the game works to satisfy this 1% group who believe pvp is the end all be all of every game.

[Aashrym]

Every damage spell that a player can cast has a save, why should Ottos Irrestible Dance be any different? I highly doubt it was ever intended to be able to be abused in PVP. Wayward lobster is a small cramped arena, there's no way to be able to do enough damage to a WF caster before the caster can get close enough to dance you.

This must be a favorite post in the thread by now. Every damage spell does not have a save.

The same spell has a save version. Level 1 spell for bards and level 2 spell for sorc/wiz. Irresistible is a level 6 (bard) or level 8 (sorc/wiz) spell with short duration, single target, immediate range, no damage, etc. The no save is what makes it a higher level spell.

And FYI in case you are not aware, there is more PvP in DDO than the pits. At least there was last time I check a long time ago. Team vs team and capture the flag.

I'm personally not interested in PvP but I'm also not interested in dev time that my subscription pays for going to adding to PvP or removing it. It's already there, what's done is done, and it does provide a distraction for a lot of players.

If you feel you have short comings with one class vs another class (which is normal in DDO or DnD) then you might find a lot more enjoyment with group vs group encounters to overcome those obstacles instead of complaining and requesting nerfs.

The brawling pits are what they are and ppl will get hit by their weaknesses.

[NaturalHazard]

lmfao!!!! +1

[Daine]

When devs start to concentrate on class balance in a non-PvP MMO its a death knell. Over the last couple of decades I've seen games I've loved wrecked because of this. These days when the process tragically starts I head over to browse a MMO game list to see what I can move to. Thankfully Turbine seem to have a grip on reality and their subscribers in both LOTRO and DDO!