Proposal: Isolate the Variable(36)

[Inspire]

This will be, as of update 9, the highest healing amplification attainable in the game.

Originally posted here as the first major healing amplification character, Im looking to improve the build in several ways and thought Id post my initial layout here.

First and formost this is a 36 point build and is not meant for new players. Ive spent several months aquiring tomes and gear for this characters final reincarnation, so it is a little intensive in that department, but Id like to think the benefits are worth it. This specific build also requires three paladin past lives and one monk past life.

This build has everything a melee could want, from great agro management via intimidate to armor class and dps. Its intended to take advantage of several different classes to maximize their strengths; passive immunities and damage reductions, healing amplification, saves, spells and spell-like abilities, improved evasion, and prestige enhancements.

The split I chose for the final version of this build is;

12 Shintao Monk/ 6 Hunter of the Dead/ 2 Fighter

Stats

10Base +3Tome +7Item +2Ship = 22 Strength
16Base +5Level +4Tome +6Item +1Exceptional +1Human +3Stance +2Ship +2Yugoloth = 40 Dexterity
15Base +3Tome +6Item +3Exceptional +1Human +2Ship +2Yugoloth -2Stance = 30 Constitution
10Base +3Tome = 13 Intelligence
15Base +4Tome +7Item +1Monk +1Exceptional +2Ship +2Yugoloth = 32 Wisdom
14Base +3Tome +6Item +1Exceptional +2Paladin +2Ship +2Yugoloth = 30 Charisma


Healing Amplification

30 Human
30 Monk
10 Hunter of the Dead
15 Past Life
10 Finger Necklace
10 Finger Necklace*
10 Greensteel
20 Greensteel
30 Greensteel
25 Insight
10 Ship
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506%

(1.95Base* 1.1Finger Necklace* 1.1Greensteel* 1.2Greensteel* 1.3Greensteel* 1.25Insight* 1.1Ship = 506%)

*The finger neckalce, if equiped before other healing items, adds 10% to your base healing amplification then adds an additional 10% healing amplification which stacks multiplicatively like your other sources.


Armor Class

10 Base
15 Dexterity
11 Wisdom
04 Monk
04 Icy Raiment
03 Chattering Ring
04 Insight
08 Bracers
01 Dodge
02 Mabar Cloak
05 Combat Expertise
05 Deflection
01 Alchemical
02 Paladin Aura
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75
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04 Yugoloth Wisdom
01 Ship
04 Shield wand
01 Haste
02 Blocking
02 Boost
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89
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04 Defender aura
01 Ranger
02 Recitation
04 Holy aura
04 Bard
03 Hero's Companion
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108


Hitpoints

096 Monk
060 Paladin
020 Fighter
020 Heroic
010 Draconic
200 Constitution
040 False Life
044 Feats
020 Toughness Item
050 Enhancement
045 Crafted
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605
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040 Yugoloth
020 Fire stance
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665

Saves

3Fighter + 5Paladin + 8Monk + 10Constitution + 10Charisma + 2Aura + 3Resistance + 2Luck + 1Ritual +4Greater Heroism -4Yugoloth = 44 Fortitude
2Paladin + 8Monk + 15Dexterity + 10Charisma + 2Aura + 3Resistance + 2Luck + 1Ritual +4Greater Heroism -4Yugoloth = 43 Reflex
2Paladin + 8Monk + 11Wisdom + 10Charisma + 2Aura + 3Resistance + 2Luck + 1Ritual +4Greather Heroism +2Still Mind = 45 Will

Skills

Intimidate
23 Ranks
15 Item
05 Item
10 Charisma
06 Crafted
02 Luck
04 Shintao
02 Sentinel
03 Skill focus
02 Paladin
01 Sentinel Enhancement
03 Badger*
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76
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04 Greater heroism
02 Bard
02 Walk of the Sun
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84

UMD
11 Ranks
03 Item
10 Charisma
06 Crafted
02 Luck
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32
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04 Greater Heroism
02 Bard
02 Walk of the Sun
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40

*Debating on skipping tenacious badger in favor of clever monkey for more survivability if 73 intimidate is acceptable in epic.


Self Healing

• Fists of Light
• Healing Ki
• Wholeness of Body
• Lay on Hands x2
• Heal Scrolls
• Jerky & Regrowth

DPS Options/Perks

• Greater Two Weapon Fighting
• Master of Thunder double strike bonuses
• Full BAB via Kamas/Unarmed
• 2d8+1 unarmed base damage(lawful/magic)
• Divine Might I x17
• Divine Favor +2 Attack/Damage
• Smite Evil for Paladin and Shintao
• Ki Strikes
• Fighter Haste Boost I

Other Mentionables

• Improved Evasion
• 10Base +6Monk +11Wisdom +10Item = 37 Stunning Fist
• Abundant Step
• Monk Grazing Blow Reduction x3
• Innate Disease, Fear, and Poison Immunity
• Monk Fast Movement x4
• Additional 100% threat generation via divine righteousness
• Bonuses versus undead and tainted creatures
• Slow Fall x5
• Monk Finishing Move Buffs(Blur, Immunities, Skills/Saves, SP Reduction)
• No fail UMD for 7th level scrolls and lower

Character Planner

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 12 Monk) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 70 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 22
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    13
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         15                    19
Intelligence         10                    13
Wisdom               15                    16
Charisma             14                    19

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    27
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  3                     6
Intimidate            4                    38
Jump                  3                    12
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         3                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  2                     3
Swim                  0                     1
Tumble                4                     7
Use Magic Device      4                    15

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist


Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger I
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger II
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger III
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Shintao Monk I
Enhancement: Shintao Monk II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

While +3 intelligence and strength tomes are required for feats selections with this particular build, those looking to make this build without +4 tomes can use +2 in their place and replace +3 tomes with +1 with the previously mentioned stats being the exceptions.

[Inspire]

Reserved for Gear.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I was mucking around with numbers and decided that a pure monk can be quite viable as an intimitank, especially with your tome roll out.

A pure light side monk will only be missing on 10% of the healing amp afaik from the HotD but makes up for it with 10/epic or 8/- damage reduction and all the other awesomeness of being a pure monk.

Possibly the main place it falls short is on the hate tanking front lacking divine righteousness though will be ahead on defense/DPS and have other pure monk goodies.

As far as intimidate goes, it's quite possible to get to 80 with ideal buffs and I have a personal suspicion that it would be viable to proc moment of clarity often enough to give you an extra 5 though this would only be possible on a pure monk with the awesome Ki generation. Very button mashy intensive i imagine.

[Resilian]

This build looks pretty amazing..be awesome to hear how it does from experience if you or anyone else has gotten it geared and to 20.

[elyssaria]

Interesting! What weapon do you plan to use? I thought it was longswords, but didnt see the whirling steel strike. What made me think this was the fact that you had 30% bonus from GS which indicates a weapon. For some reason I don't think it's kamas

/Khierra

[wax_on_wax_off]

Interesting! What weapon do you plan to use? I thought it was longswords, but didnt see the whirling steel strike. What made me think this was the fact that you had 30% bonus from GS which indicates a weapon. For some reason I don't think it's kamas

/Khierra

It would certainly be kamas but only equipped when in full defensive mode and possibly a different item set up for more offensive orientation with handwraps and still close to max healing amp.

[maddmatt70]

I have run with quite a few of these healing amp pally multi-class builds and they all have been horrible. Why? Because they do horrible dps and on epics that just hurts. Can you up your strength some? any?

[Azoralq]

This build just looks awesome to me, and Was really close to working it into my existing monk....

...then I looked at it again...and found out it's all dependent on extremely rare tomes and items, some epics, and a few greensteels that would take forever for me to craft...

Seeing as how I just don't have the guild/manpower to get this done, I let the dream of being epic like this pass.

[t0r012]

don't the different levels of monk and human amp multiply with each other?

instead of monk / human being 30+30 for 60%
isn't each 10% multiplied? for something like 1.7something total?

[slimkj]

I have run with quite a few of these healing amp pally multi-class builds and they all have been horrible. Why? Because they do horrible dps and on epics that just hurts. Can you up your strength some? any?

Not speaking for the OP, obviously, but I leave my HA build at home for epics. It's a different kind of build for when I want to do different things in DDO. It's still fun to pick up and play; not everything has to be specced to succeed in Epic. Especially when so many of us have so many other characters we can roll out.

[Nick_RC]

Hey inspire

For the intentions of the build I think ur set up is spot on. however... I can't help but feel these sorts of builds are solo friendly but a waste of a dps spot in most parties. Sure they have high healing amp and good ac saves etc but the offense is very weak. I dislike running with these builds in epic-maybe I'm missing something but how will u make this viable dps wise?

N

[J1NG]

I would imagine the intim would allow the other dps to let rip at will with no worries. So that should solve the dps problem.

J1NG

[pasterqb]

I have run with quite a few of these healing amp pally multi-class builds and they all have been horrible. Why? Because they do horrible dps and on epics that just hurts. Can you up your strength some? any?

If only i wrote down the number of quests and raids i've saved/solo'd :/ I do admit longswords hurt in autocrit but i got other toons for epics and i can always put them down for heavy picks.

[Sydril]

Heya Woad, I like it. I can't help but think that ac isn't going to be all that worthwhile on a build like this, a strength based alternate might work a little better. With that kind of amp a favored soul capstone can raid heal you and I'm still finding ac to be less than appealing in most epics.

[Inspire]

Interesting! What weapon do you plan to use? I thought it was longswords, but didnt see the whirling steel strike. What made me think this was the fact that you had 30% bonus from GS which indicates a weapon. For some reason I don't think it's kamas

Actually, when Im in group with a healer and dont intend on intimidating I ditch most of the healing amplification in favor of dps. I haven't posted the gear quite yet a little busy at the moment to do so, but Ill have it up by tonight. To sum up, I use handwraps with tower rings(oremi's set & ravager ring) and charged gauntlets.

I have run with quite a few of these healing amp pally multi-class builds and they all have been horrible. Why? Because they do horrible dps and on epics that just hurts. Can you up your strength some? any?

Strength isn't the issue really, but I can self buff strength fairly high with; rage, titan's grip, yugoloth strength, fire stance(though that is lowering dps, 7.5% doublestrike), and madstone.

For a total of 34-38 strength.

This build just looks awesome to me, and Was really close to working it into my existing monk....

...then I looked at it again...and found out it's all dependent on extremely rare tomes and items, some epics, and a few greensteels that would take forever for me to craft...

Seeing as how I just don't have the guild/manpower to get this done, I let the dream of being epic like this pass.

While this build is very tedious to make, I have the original 32 point version listed at the top of the post. It is still gear intensive as I consider myself a powergamer, if you like the build Im sure I can throw a version together that isnt so challenging to create.

For the intentions of the build I think ur set up is spot on. however... I can't help but feel these sorts of builds are solo friendly but a waste of a dps spot in most parties. Sure they have high healing amp and good ac saves etc but the offense is very weak. I dislike running with these builds in epic-maybe I'm missing something but how will u make this viable dps wise?

Well handwraps are my main source of dps, and while the base damage isnt 2d10 or 2d12, 2d8 is respectable. Now Im not saying that when someone needs a dps spot in their group I jump on this character instead of my half-orc heavy pick barbarian or half-orc khopesh kensei, but this build will still contribute meaningful dps to the party.

This build can also stun most caster/reflex type mobs in epic fairly easily. However, the real dps comes from tower rings, wraps of endless light, ki strikes, smites, and the charged gauntlets.

[Inspire]

Heya Woad, I like it. I can't help but think that ac isn't going to be all that worthwhile on a build like this, a strength based alternate might work a little better. With that kind of amp a favored soul capstone can raid heal you and I'm still finding ac to be less than appealing in most epics.

A strength based alternative using handwraps, with dragontouched 10 & 20% healing amplification and epic gloves of the claw would be an exceptionally formidable solo and dps/hate option for this particular class split. I have also found that ac is quite useless in epic content for the most part but thats why this build can fall back on healing amplification, hitpoints, saves and improved evasion while still being untouchable in elite endgame raids.

[wax_on_wax_off]

A strength based alternative using handwraps, with dragontouched 10 & 20% healing amplification and epic gloves of the claw would be an exceptionally formidable solo and dps/hate option for this particular class split. I have also found that ac is quite useless in epic content for the most part but thats why this build can fall back on healing amplification, hitpoints, saves and improved evasion while still being untouchable in elite endgame raids.

Having such awesome healing amp is AC really needed? Couldn't you stay up in most raids on the strength of healing ki and some occasional heals thrown your way or a heal scroll?

I still don't see the benefit of going with the splash build in comparison to a pure monk which can break the 80 intimidate score, has epic DR but loses 10% healing amp and I don't see the benefit of going AC based instead of strength based which could much better fill a DPS spot while still being an excellent intimitank (and also a decent hate tank) considering that you probably won't need the AC much anyway.

[Alexandryte]

EDIT: Nvm. Didnt realize this was the same poster of the m9 build. (begins summoning ritual of Cubethulu to cleanse this post from the thread for cleanliness sake)

[Inspire]

Having such awesome healing amp is AC really needed? Couldn't you stay up in most raids on the strength of healing ki and some occasional heals thrown your way or a heal scroll?

The short anwser is no I dont need the insane ac, and I lose some healing amplification when I go into an unarmed dps mode(10, 32, or 72%). But the build still has enough dps for me to be comfortable to contribute while having the ac, so why not have it?

I still don't see the benefit of going with the splash build in comparison to a pure monk which can break the 80 intimidate score, has epic DR but loses 10% healing amp and I don't see the benefit of going AC based instead of strength based which could much better fill a DPS spot while still being an excellent intimitank (and also a decent hate tank) considering that you probably won't need the AC much anyway.

I) The splash build gets better healing amplification, hitpoints, hate, saves, feats, intimdate, stats, skills, self healing, etc.
II) It is very situational to have a pure monk hit an 80 intimidate mark reliably.
III) This build has DR/5 Good, which is almost the same as DR/5 -, so while it loses 5/DR it is not overcome in epic content.

As I have already mentioned, a strength based version of this particular class spilt is quite a viable option - its just not what I was going for. Its a toss up whether or not a strength based variant of this build would out dps a pure monk with the same gear setup; 2d12 base damage and tier IV fire/wind stances with their ki strikes versus 2d8 base damage, tier III fire/wind stances and their ki strikes, divine sacrifice, smites(paladin), haste boost, divine favor, and divine might. But without divine righteousness the pure monk cannot generate more hate.