Lich Benefits

[Seliana]

Lich form should give you all the benefits of a being an undead Lich, but it currently doesn't. Could someone at Turbine please address these concerns?

Why don't I have immunity to cold damage and immunity to stat drain and stat damage?

Why do I need to breathe underwater if I am dead already?

Why am I not immune to charms and dominates that don't specifically target undead as well?

Why does lesser vampirism not heal me? Shouldn't that do like double the effect since I am the same creature type as a vampire?

Why am I not immune to disease effects?

Additionally, can pale masters please get a secondary self-targeted healing type spell like nega-reconstruct or cure critical negative-wounds? Preferably at level 5 or 6? It would help a lot.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Lich form should give you all the benefits of a being an undead Lich, but it currently doesn't. Could someone at Turbine please address these concerns?

Why don't I have immunity to cold damage and immunity to stat drain and stat damage?

Why do I need to breathe underwater if I am dead already?

Why am I not immune to charms and dominates that don't specifically target undead as well?

Why does lesser vampirism not heal me? Shouldn't that do like double the effect since I am the same creature type as a vampire?

Why am I not immune to disease effects?

Additionally, can pale masters please get a secondary self-targeted healing type spell like nega-reconstruct or cure critical negative-wounds? Preferably at level 5 or 6? It would help a lot.

I agree with everything but don't think the cold immunity will ever happen lol.

[articwarrior]

Why am I not immune to charms and dominates that don't specifically target undead as well?

you should be immune, play tested in pvp, I was immune to mass hold (I'm drow btw), hypnotize, and irresistable dance, so its pretty obvious that you should be immune to charms/enchantments (with exclusion of undead specified spells)

[shagath]

Additionally, can pale masters please get a secondary self-targeted healing type spell like nega-reconstruct or cure critical negative-wounds? Preferably at level 5 or 6? It would help a lot.

What's problem with negative energy burst? Anyhow this "cure critical negative-wounds" is inflict critical wounds. Divines has it. It's divine spell so no luck for arcane to get it as a regular spell.

[Jaid314]

I agree with everything but don't think the cold immunity will ever happen lol.

man, that would be *really* nice for kiting in ToD :P

"ok, here's how you kite: step 1) cast wall of fire. step 2) stand in place and wait for the shadows to die

[Zilta]

man, that would be *really* nice for kiting in ToD :P

"ok, here's how you kite: step 1) cast wall of fire. step 2) stand in place and wait for the shadows to die

we can dream cant we :P

[vbyahoo]

and add immunity to ALL insant-death effects-including abbots water

[Delolith]

I have tested mummy rot in Shroud of Wraith and it stays only as a curse since it gets cleared by a remove curse.

Stat damage that I have seen is only Cha damage or spell reducing your stat (so they are not literally stat damage).

Also tested immunity on holds and irresistible dance. Only thing that avoids this immunity is Cube paralyze after engulfing and Petrification.

What I also find annoying is Knockdown on Wraith form...it is interesting to see how you can knockdown a floating apparition....

Apart from that I agree with you.

On a side note we do not have the weaknesses undead have. We do not get double damage from light spells or Firewall....so I think that is a good tradeoff for cold damage.

[bigolbear]

actualy we do get double damage from firewall and light spells.

only thing i think needs fixing about pale master is the knockdown effect in wraith form which must be a bug and the targeting dificulties with necrotic bolt and blast.

[Delolith]

actualy we do get double damage from firewall and light spells.

only thing i think needs fixing about pale master is the knockdown effect in wraith form which must be a bug and the targeting dificulties with necrotic bolt and blast.

Go to Running with Devils...go in undead form and wait for Ghale to hit you with light damage (between 60-80 depending on difficulty). Now take off undead form and you will see the damage is the same.

Also these are not the only problems that need addressing. Death Aura ticks on wrong formula (2d4 + 1/2 levels instead of 2d4 +1 per level) Now that is something that needs addressing ASAP. According to some people the Death Aura lower ticks during melee combat has been fixed in U8 so that is out of the list.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Go to Running with Devils...go in undead form and wait for Ghale to hit you with light damage (between 60-80 depending on difficulty). Now take off undead form and you will see the damage is the same.

Also these are not the only problems that need addressing. Death Aura ticks on wrong formula (2d4 + 1/2 levels instead of 2d4 +1 per level) Now that is something that needs addressing ASAP. According to some people the Death Aura lower ticks during melee combat has been fixed in U8 so that is out of the list.

And death aura gets bugged when you take off or put on something that effects the damage of the spell. For instance, when I throw on eardweller clicky my aura starts ticking for 5-10.

Also, on the wraith getting knocked down, for some reason grease still works on me in wraith form even though I'm technically floating over it. lulz

[Illarvan]

Lich form should give you all the benefits of a being an undead Lich, but it currently doesn't. Could someone at Turbine please address these concerns?

Why don't I have immunity to cold damage and immunity to stat drain and stat damage?

Why do I need to breathe underwater if I am dead already?

Why am I not immune to charms and dominates that don't specifically target undead as well?

Why does lesser vampirism not heal me? Shouldn't that do like double the effect since I am the same creature type as a vampire?

Why am I not immune to disease effects?

Additionally, can pale masters please get a secondary self-targeted healing type spell like nega-reconstruct or cure critical negative-wounds? Preferably at level 5 or 6? It would help a lot.

If you want to stick with the things liches/vampires/undead get, I vote for having 0 con :P

[Seliana]

If you want to stick with the things liches/vampires/undead get, I vote for having 0 con :P

Give me my d12 hit dice instead of d4 then if your going to quote the SRD. Give my DR15 vs blunt and magic, Give me immunity to cold, electric, and mind affecting attacks. Give me a fear aura, +5 Natural Armor class, Paralyzing strikes, +8 spot, listen, move silently, and search....

You can see where this is going of course.

[Tanka]

If you want to stick with the things liches/vampires/undead get, I vote for having 0 con :P

Technically, it's - Con. Zero would imply being dead, not undead.

[Lucian_Navarro]

My Test Findings...

Undead Forms are immune to Poison.
Wraith Form is immune to Warforge Titan knockdown affect.
Undead Forms are immune to ToD stunning, etc... affects.

[-Nismu-]

i find it bit odd that as wraith you float but still get slowed on slippery ground >.<

[Ookami007]

Technically, it's - Con. Zero would imply being dead, not undead.

As per the d20 rules, undead have 0 CON, since they ARE dead. CON is a measurement of your physical health. Undead HAVE NO physical health, so they're CON is not 0... it's n/a.

Abilities
Increase from the base creature as follows: Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2. Being undead, a lich has no Constitution score.

[Jaid314]

As per the d20 rules, undead have 0 CON, since they ARE dead. CON is a measurement of your physical health. Undead HAVE NO physical health, so they're CON is not 0... it's n/a.

go ahead and look at the entry for any undead. they don't use 'n/a', they use '-' to indicate that undead have no con. which is exactly what tanka was saying.

[sephiroth1084]

As per the d20 rules, undead have 0 CON, since they ARE dead. CON is a measurement of your physical health. Undead HAVE NO physical health, so they're CON is not 0... it's n/a.

No, undead don't have 0 Con, they have -- Con. There's a difference. For one, a 0 Con is a -5 modifier, which would result in -5*lvl to your HP (or -100 HP at level 20), whereas -- is simply no Con, which results in no modifier, which in turn results in neither a bonus, nor a penalty.

300 HP wizard with 0 Con = 200 HP.
300 HP wizard with -- Con = 300 HP.

[Mighty_Bozo]

Not all undead r immune to cold, that's something particular from skellies, u can polar ray most of the fleshie undead