The holy tank- paladin based build that wont go down

[flamingscythe]

The main purpose of this build is to make a tank above all else, damage for this build is secondary if not approaching non-existent. This build is more of a concept build and is completely open to any form of criticism. I'm just trying my hand at making my own tank and getting the class balance, stats and most equipment down before i build it. Tell me what you think...

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 6 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 486
Spell Points: 595 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 32
Reflex: 22
Will: 22

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    17
Dexterity            10                    13
Constitution         18                    28
Intelligence         12                    15
Wisdom                6                     9
Charisma             14                    17

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    23
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         4                    13
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                 -2                    -1
Hide                  0                    -1
Intimidate            6                    30
Jump                  2                     1
Listen               -2                    -1
Move Silently         0                    -1
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     2
Spot                 -2                    -1
Swim                  2                    -1
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      4                     9

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Selected) Improved Damage Reduction
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Divine Favor


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: CON
Spell (1): Remove Fear


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Damage Reduction
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: CON
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III

Basically with skills maximize intimidate and balance and put whatever is left into umd. Feats are designed to keep you alive both from regular damage and spells.

Equipment:

Shield: Light and Darkness(unsupressed)- +5 large shield (7 blocking dr +8 ac), DR 3/-, 5/epic (both apply), protection +4, resistance +4, bashing
Armor: Quorforged Docent of Battle (unsupressed)- +5 Docent, +2 reinforced plating, +6 con, -2 will save, superior false life, toughness
Weapon: Existential Stalemate Greensteel scimitar- 15% negative energy absorption, 20% healing amp, +4 insight ac

Belt: Aspect of smoke II Greensteel Belt- +45 Hp, 20% blur
Boots: Firestorm Greaves- Fire resistance, 33% fire absorption
Bracers: Chaosgarde- +2 dodge ac, continuous protection from chaos
Cloak: Wretched Twilight- Ghostly (stacking 10% miss chance)
Gloves: Epic Charged Gauntlets- Greater shocking blow, Strength +6, Greater lightning resist
Goggles: Existential Stelmate Greensteel goggles- blindness, disease immunity, +50sp, +2 cha skills, Deathblock, +6 wisdom
Helm: Epic Helm of the Mroranon- +15 intim, Wis +7, imunity to fear
Necklace: Mineral II greensteel necklace- +10 exceptional acid resistance, +1 will save, +1 whatever earth based tier 1 effect you want
Ring: Chattering Ring- Spot +13, +3 dodge AC
Ring: Ring of the Djinn- lightning resistance, 33% lightning absorption
Tinket: Litany of the Dead- +1 all abilities (profane), +1 attack and damage
Also need a +6 dex and +6 cha slotted in the slots for the epic gear


Abilities:
Str: 24 (+7) 14 base+ 3 tome+ 6 item+ 1 litany
Dex: 20 (+5) 10 base+ 3 tome+ 6 item+ 1 litany
Con: 35 (+10) 18 base+ 3 tome+ 6 item+ 1 litany+ 2 enhancement+ 5 levels
Int: Negligble
Wis: Negligible
Cha: 24 (+7) 14 base+ 3 tome+ 6 item+ 1 litany



AC
10 base
10 armor
02 reinforced plating
08 shield
04 protection
05 dodge
04 insight
05 dex
05 combat expertise
04 paladin aura
01 alchemical
---
58 AC selfed while running around
05 barkskin
01 shield of faith over protection
04 inspire heroics
01 haste
02 recitation
---
71 running around raid buffed
03 blocking
03 DoS stance
---
77 AC standing raid buffed
02 AC boost
---
79 temporary

Yah the AC isn't all that great but knowing how much AC's meanfullness tends to dwindle away in epic quests especially against epic bosses i decided to give a little higher focus on DR

DR:
03/-
05/epic
04/adamantine
---
12 dr running around against appropriate mobs
07/- base blocking dr
12/- BAB blocking dr (with divine power clicky)
06/- additional blocking dr with feats
---
37 max directional dr

Hp:
204 base
010 draconic vitality
022 toughness feat
020 toughness item
240 constitution
040 additional constitution when in DOS stance
040 superior false life
040 racial enhancement
040 paladin enhancment
040 yugo pot
---
716 hp

Now thats how the melee blocking stands and though the AC is sub-optimal i think the dr should be able to make up for the difference. Also note that with the aspect of steam gear and wretched twilight all enemies have a 30% chance to miss you off the bat.Next the spells

Saves are well above 40 in all so spells basically don't land unless they dont have a save.

Resistances assume that if it is needed a 30 point resist from a nearby caster is given. +10 acid and fire resistances are given on top of those as well as a +2 to all resistances. The character has a 72 point protection from energy that sp can be poured into whenever they get a break from an attack (fvs casting so relatively fast). If through all of this the attack lands any fire and electric dmg instantly then get cut by 1/3 of its remaining dmg and all negetive energy is cut by 15% of their damage.

You can avoid all of that damage but you will still get hurt and take damage and your healer will get a little ****ed about having to heal a WF so how much bang for their sp buck do they get..

Healing Amp:
50% WF base
X1.3 WF enhancements
X1.2 Item
----
78% healing efficincy which is gonna suck for them so it would be best to get an arcane caster to heal you

However don't forget that you also have 3 Lay on Hands that dont get the WF reduction and heal at 156% instead. AT a normal 154 HP each with the modifier it is 243hp/cast. These arent great and should only be used as a last resort but could save your life.

The idea around this tank build is instead of the usual really high ac and hp i have a build with a really dr for both melee and spells as well as moderately high hp and manage to still keep evasion active at all times. Now tell me what you think in the box below using squiggly lines that resemble the english language please.

[Sillk]

If you're trying your hand at building a Tank, I'd suggest going up to 18 levels of Paladin and taking out the Favored Soul. Not really seeing what the Favored Soul adds to this build. I can understand the 2 Monk for Evasion.

[Mangloid]

OK, Brace yourself. I'm not very good with warm and fuzzy.

Honestly, it's a waste of spot in a raid or a group.

Why?
1) Your DPS will be sub par at best. There are many many builds that can achieve the AC you have listed while still maintaining good or better dps.
2)Your intim is too low. For someone who's only viable application to a group is pretty much being a hunk of metal planted in one single place trying to keep aggro though intim....well, you should be able to hit all the highest intim marks at the very least. Again, there are many more builds out there that can high the higher intim marks AND contribute DPS to the group.

There's quite a bit more wrong, but really it's not worth detailing everything because then it just seems like an attack on you (which i hope you get that I am not trying to do).


I applaud you trying to think outside the box and trying to come up with your own unique build. However, keep in mind that a build should add something to a party and be able to contribute in all aspects. Anytime a build can do only one thing it's time to scrap it.

Try taking a look at these builds. They may help give you a little better ideas of what works and doesn't.

Big Rock Candy http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198820

The Savage Crusader http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=213144

[Darkrok]

12paladin/7monk/1rogue (Solar Phoenix) and 15paladin/3monk/2rogue (Tobril's build whatever kung fu craziness he called it) are both better choices while working along the same lines. They're both human builds that take advantage of the multiplicative nature of healing amp. The rogue in both builds allow you to max out UMD skill which is extremely useful to a tank (shield/recitation wands and scrolls, heal scrolls, etc) and these builds have a very high synergy with heals scrolls. I was tooling around on my own take on Tobril's build (currently 9/3/2) and got stuck fighting the big room with multiple bosses in a Tempest Spine elite raid that went south. Even at level 14 I was able to use a heal scroll for about 330 points healing. My max hp's at the time? Since I had a bunch of defensive gear on (silver flame necklace and the like) my max hp's were 337. :P Complete heal at the cost one one scroll? Yes please!

[FaSo]

ya, like some people have said, you will hav sub-par dps vs other tanks, and the 6 fvs wont do u much good, go in and add 6 lvls pally to get defender teir 3, this will giv u more ac+hp and more dps

Those two builds that someone linked(think post or 2 before me) are rlly nice builds that have proven themseves at cap

GL with that ever u chose

faso

[wax_on_wax_off]

DR:
03/-
05/epic
04/adamantine
---
12 dr running around against appropriate mobs
07/- base blocking dr
12/- BAB blocking dr (with divine power clicky)
06/- additional blocking dr with feats
---
37 max directional dr

I don't think you understand how DR works.
The 3/-, 5/epic and 4/adamantine DONT stack unfortunately, the one that takes affect is the highest that is applicable.
Highest blocking DR from blocking that you can get is from BAB is 10 as blocking DR is half of BAB and highest BAB is 20.
If you want a high DR WF then you'll need a docent of defiance. Then it is possible to get blocking DR up into the 40's.
It's possible to get quite high DR numbers from adamantine DR for WF.

As mentioned, why FvS 6? What could it possible bring to the build?