Epic Robe of Shadow request

[Tobril]

Perhaps instead of peeing in our cheerios you could get yourself an upgraded death's touch to boost your necro DC's.

[Saravis]

Eh, since when resistance bonus don't stack's with morale bonus?

Yeah, my mistake, I was wrong on that.

[Vellrad]

Not to insult anyone, but I think this OP is a little like h4x0r1f1c, with this desire to unnesesary nerf something to "balance" something.

[Saravis]

This is really really interesting, every suggestion everybody has made here consists of me buying this adv pack and that adv pack, while the wizard can sit pretty with his free, lvl 20 robe.

[Saravis]

Not to insult anyone, but I think this OP is a little like h4x0r1f1c, with this desire to unnesesary nerf something to "balance" something.

Fine fine so where's my lvl 20 epic Sorc robe?

[Flasharte]

blue dragon scale robe is also nice for sorcs and wizards

and nearly no grind on that one (SARCASM)

[Zeruell]

This is really really interesting, every suggestion everybody has made here consists of me buying this adv pack and that adv pack, while the wizard can sit pretty with his free, lvl 20 robe.

Kindly point me to an Epic quest that does not involve a subscription, guest pass, or DDO Store purchase.

[Saravis]

blue dragon scale robe is also nice for sorcs and wizards

Meh, not really, I have Braciers of Glacier, so the spell pen is useless, I have a much better greater potency vii item,
got greenblade, really all thats left is greater lighn resist

and nearly no grind on that one (SARCASM)

You so funny

[Saravis]

Kindly point me to an Epic quest that does not involve a subscription, guest pass, or DDO Store purchase.

OK, let me correct myself
According to the list of suggestions for being able to use the robe as a Sorc (and please fill in if I missed something):
Sands
Vale
Tangleroot
and as alternatives to the Robe:
Reaver's Refuge
Paths of Inspiration
Dreaming Dark

Did I miss any?

Now for the Wizzy to use the robe:
Carnival
and?
nope thats it, just carnival, hell any single epic will do, Carnival came to mind, cause thats the easiest epic in the game.

[Junts]

This is really really interesting, every suggestion everybody has made here consists of me buying this adv pack and that adv pack, while the wizard can sit pretty with his free, lvl 20 robe.

Every suggestion has consisted of ways to improve your character and play instead of relying on what's frankly a terrible item for a sorceror and indeed for a non-pale-master wizard, and even for some Pm wizards (wo use it exclusively for the superior lore benefit). Most people who make this robe use it as a nightshield clicky.

There's probably a dozen robes that are more effective for you than this robe is, and that may be because of items you do not yet have, but presumably you are not done gaining loot in this game and will someday get at least some of these things, since that is what people do in this game (in fact, its all there is to do in this game at level 20).

If you actually care about a greater necromancy focus on a level 20 character (eg you nee the +1 dc over a regular necromancy focus effect), then pretty much by definition you are running one of these things

1: vale of twilight
2: inspired quarter/dreaming dark

Necromancy spells don't land on anything of consequence in Amrath, do not work in Hound/Vision of Destruction/Most reaver's refuge content/all epic content by definition, and high dc is not needed to land said spells in content below the level of those packs, or on miscellaneous, non-immune mobs in those content packs (eg non-death immune mobs in reaver's reach have very bad fort saves, though many have considerable spell resistance that gtr necro focus won't help with anyway).

If you are running IQ/DD, there is a better greater necro item available to you. If you're running epic desert (you have a greenblade), there's a much, much better epic item available (greater necro+greater enchant focus). If you're running the vale, you have considerable interest in slot saving via dragontouched for another hit point item.

In none of these cases does it behoove you to waste your body slot on something that does next to nothing, even if you were immune to boon to undeath. The robe is pretty close to worthless for you in practical play unless your charisma and dcs are so poor that you cannot land spells in the vale. More realistically, you fail spells regularly due to spell penetration problems and do not realize that a focus item will not help you with this problem.

Even the regalia of the pheonix, an item I regard as very poor, is a far better choice for you than the epic robe of night.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Its not like every class but the sorcerer has something from the event they can use. Just like every raid doesn't have something useful for every class. Buy a pack to get a good robe, tr to wizard, or just deal with it. Don't mess up my robe for my character because your a lazyass.

[Sirea]

I never thought I'd see the day when sorcs started posting about wizards being OP and getting all the best goodies.

This is awesome

[Saravis]

Every suggestion has consisted of ways to improve your character and play instead of relying on what's frankly a terrible item for a sorceror and indeed for a non-pale-master wizard, and even for some Pm wizards (wo use it exclusively for the superior lore benefit). Most people who make this robe use it as a nightshield clicky.

There's probably a dozen robes that are more effective for you than this robe is, and that may be because of items you do not yet have, but presumably you are not done gaining loot in this game and will someday get at least some of these things, since that is what people do in this game (in fact, its all there is to do in this game at level 20).

If you actually care about a greater necromancy focus on a level 20 character (eg you nee the +1 dc over a regular necromancy focus effect), then pretty much by definition you are running one of these things

1: vale of twilight
2: inspired quarter/dreaming dark

Necromancy spells don't land on anything of consequence in Amrath, do not work in Hound/Vision of Destruction/Most reaver's refuge content/all epic content by definition, and high dc is not needed to land said spells in content below the level of those packs, or on miscellaneous, non-immune mobs in those content packs (eg non-death immune mobs in reaver's reach have very bad fort saves, though many have considerable spell resistance that gtr necro focus won't help with anyway).

If you are running IQ/DD, there is a better greater necro item available to you. If you're running epic desert (you have a greenblade), there's a much, much better epic item available (greater necro+greater enchant focus). If you're running the vale, you have considerable interest in slot saving via dragontouched for another hit point item.

In none of these cases does it behoove you to waste your body slot on something that does next to nothing, even if you were immune to boon to undeath. The robe is pretty close to worthless for you in practical play unless your charisma and dcs are so poor that you cannot land spells in the vale. More realistically, you fail spells regularly due to spell penetration problems and do not realize that a focus item will not help you with this problem.

Even the regalia of the pheonix, an item I regard as very poor, is a far better choice for you than the epic robe of night.

Well admittedly I've given up on my request.

I liked the Epic Robe because its the only item in the game (I've come upon) that I have both SFL and Greater Necro

The only other robe thats decent (debatable) for a Sorceror is DT. While I do like and use Regalia (I'll probably get chewed out admitting that I do have and use Meteor Swarm) its not always applicable, in fact its rarely applicable.

Those goggles are nice, of course it consists of me running Sands Epic, something that I've yet to do successfully and also consists of me redoing my GS, oh joy more grind.

While I own Paths, I have no intent of purchasing DD anytime soon, there's just not enough people to run it with

Oh well, guess I'll just have to carry around some more cure potions.

PS: Thanks for a post that actually doesn't reek of being self-centered and elitist

[Alavatar]

I don't get it, are people really that self-centered? I suggested a compromise that would benefit everyone, but NO! It's all about me me me, everyone has to sacrifice to benefit me.

To be precise, most people are telling you the item is fine the way it is. You are the one crying "me me me, everyone has to sacrifice to benefit me".

[Junts]

Well admittedly I've given up on my request.

I liked the Epic Robe because its the only item in the game (I've come upon) that I have both SFL and Greater Necro

The only other robe thats decent (debatable) for a Sorceror is DT. While I do like and use Regalia (I'll probably get chewed out admitting that I do have and use Meteor Swarm) its not always applicable, in fact its rarely applicable.

Those goggles are nice, of course it consists of me running Sands Epic, something that I've yet to do successfully and also consists of me redoing my GS, oh joy more grind.

While I own Paths, I have no intent of purchasing DD anytime soon, there's just not enough people to run it with

Oh well, guess I'll just have to carry around some more cure potions.

PS: Thanks for a post that actually doesn't reek of being self-centered and elitist

Other robe options that are probably better:

Epic robe of the Diabolist (2 slots, a useful spell focus effect)
Epic ironweave robe (laugh, but blue slots are made of goodness)
Epic robe of dissonance (see what i said about ironweave)

If you're that worried about the 10 life from superior falselife, you're probably much better off condensing slots in a way that ensures you have easy access to a 45 hp shroud item.

You probably have a hard time with epic desert since it is the hardest epic module (everything else is easier, including vons and chronosphere) and, from the sounds of it, you're pretty badly equipped. When you're in that kind of situation, you gain a lot more benefit from effect-consolidation (eg slots for rare effects like toughness, or dt for multiple important effects like gfl+constitution, etc) which gives you slots available for unique effects.

[Saravis]

Other robe options that are probably better:

Epic robe of the Diabolist (2 slots, a useful spell focus effect)
Epic ironweave robe (laugh, but blue slots are made of goodness)
Epic robe of dissonance (see what i said about ironweave)

If you're that worried about the 10 life from superior falselife, you're probably much better off condensing slots in a way that ensures you have easy access to a 45 hp shroud item.

You probably have a hard time with epic desert since it is the hardest epic module (everything else is easier, including vons and chronosphere) and, from the sounds of it, you're pretty badly equipped. When you're in that kind of situation, you gain a lot more benefit from effect-consolidation (eg slots for rare effects like toughness, or dt for multiple important effects like gfl+constitution, etc) which gives you slots available for unique effects.

In what way would ECF benefit me? I'm not aware of any conjur spells that I use that require a DC improvement. +7 int aint really useful to sorcs either. The only nice thing for a Sorc with that robe is the summon.

Blue slots have some nice things, question: Currently have Minos Legen, from the looks of it the most beneficial blue upgrades are either toughness or heavy fort, which renders my ML borderline useless, so what other headgear is there?

45 hp item? are you talking about making another GS item for HP boost? because frankily speaking I've done enough Shroud grinding for one character and I haven't even obtained tier 3 yet.

Oh and also, weaing Cloak of Night, so making a GS cloak is pretty much out of the question.

Well admittedly I'm not as fully epic ready as I would like to be. The difficulty right now is that, I still use a lot of spells in non-epics that I wouldn't use in epics and the time and plat required to trade spells around is just a bit much. I think when my GS is finished, I'll start doing the switching around then. I'm not sure in what way you would consider me item ready, the only thing I'm really useful for in Epics is my FW and ID and I currently have Braciers of Glacier, major fire lore, superior potency vii, so I'm not really sure what other items your talking about, that would really benefit me, aside from GSPVIII on DT and Eardweller

[Junts]

In what way would ECF benefit me? I'm not aware of any conjur spells that I use that require a DC improvement. +7 int aint really useful to sorcs either. The only nice thing for a Sorc with that robe is the summon.

Blue slots have some nice things, question: Currently have Minos Legen, from the looks of it the most beneficial blue upgrades are either toughness or heavy fort, which renders my ML borderline useless, so what other headgear is there?

45 hp item? are you talking about making another GS item for HP boost? because frankily speaking I've done enough Shroud grinding for one character and I haven't even obtained tier 3 yet.

Oh and also, weaing Cloak of Night, so making a GS cloak is pretty much out of the question.

Well admittedly I'm not as fully epic ready as I would like to be. The difficulty right now is that, I still use a lot of spells in non-epics that I wouldn't use in epics and the time and plat required to trade spells around is just a bit much. I think when my GS is finished, I'll start doing the switching around then. I'm not sure in what way you would consider me item ready, the only thing I'm really useful for in Epics is my FW and ID and I currently have Braciers of Glacier, major fire lore, superior potency vii, so I'm not really sure what other items your talking about, that would really benefit me, aside from GSPVIII on DT and Eardweller

Web is the most universally effective form of CC in the game, as it ignores spell resistance, is persistent, can force mobs to save repeatedly, and applies to what is near-universally the lowest saving throw in the game (reflex).

Particularly if your other equipment isn't that good, you should probably use web more frequently. Only mobs with evasion, mobs that cast fom/fireshield, or mobs that are made of fire (eg fire elementals) or spam fireballs will cause problems.

It's not an autocrit spell, but it's the most reliable way to make mobs stop moving and swinging from level 3 through epic content.

[Lorz]

PS: Thanks for a post that actually doesn't reek of being self-centered and elitist

I must admit....i have gotten quite the chuckle out of this whole thread but this one really is the cherry on the cake.

I will be sharing this for sometime to come.

Saravis...i wish you luck...and when you do finally get a change to test out con-ops and torq.....well ill still be around...and we can discuss that 1% not being worth the bother.

[Sirea]

and when you do finally get a change to test out con-ops and torq.....well ill still be around...and we can discuss that 1% not being worth the bother.

I love how they always scoff at that 1%...but once you go Torc/ConOp you never go back

[Saravis]

I must admit....i have gotten quite the chuckle out of this whole thread but this one really is the cherry on the cake.

I will be sharing this for sometime to come.

Saravis...i wish you luck...and when you do finally get a change to test out con-ops and torq.....well ill still be around...and we can discuss that 1% not being worth the bother.

Oh I never said it wasn't worth the bother I just said it wasn't reliable for those suggesting it as a means to recover sp. A 1 in 100 chance to get only 30 SP is nice, but not reliable.