Is this a bootable offense?

[TitoJ]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

In retrospect, as I alluded to in the OP, me pulling that prank tells me exactly the information I need to know, before I get knee deep in a quest with a moron who expects way too much out of a pug...

Although uptight players are so fun to screw with...

[mws2970]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

To this I say, "Lighten up, Francis!"

To the OP, this was not a bootable offense, as many others have stated.

[TitoJ]

Well, if this thread is indicative of anything, at least 90% or so of the ddo player base just likes to have fun lol.

[Sirea]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

wut house? f2p? shr plz

omg i'm lost lol, come bck 4 me plz?

wut's this button do?

look lol i found a beholder!

HJEEL MEEEEE!!1!1111

*ding*

[testing1234]

if your willing to joke like this you must admit its possible he kicked you as a joke, much nastier joke but still a joke or does the joking only cut one way only when you do it?

[mws2970]

if your willing to joke like this you must admit its possible he kicked you as a joke, much nastier joke but still a joke or does the joking only cut one way only when you do it?

I thought at first, perhaps, his boot was also a joke. But I sent him a tell that said "What? Your lfm didn't say no joking!", there was no response.

Which pretty much tells the whole story.

The OP did say that in this reply. Just sayin'.............

*Edited to add the quote from the OP*

[PCNONSENSE]

I am honestly surprised by the amount of posters trying to justify you getting kicked out of the group...

I understand we cant all be math majors - please answer this...

10% possible XP loss by pugging the first 5 to click - or no XP at all waiting for a group to fill with 5 more wanksters who are as anal as you

I know its close...

A piece of advice for any new people reading this thread - you will have better players and smoother runs by avoiding these LFM's all together - Either join or create one that says BYOH - fast...These always fill with good players who also seem to enjoy the game more. You will find healers join this type of LFM over the one the OP cited...

[Zachski]

It was basically the OP deathporting to a specific location that he needed to go to, and then making a joke out of it.

The party leader wasn't harmed in any way, so really, he overreacted.

[TitoJ]

It was basically the OP deathporting to a specific location that he needed to go to, and then making a joke out of it.

The party leader wasn't harmed in any way, so really, he overreacted.

You are exactly correct that the party leader was not harmed in anyway, because I /death'd outside of the instance.

However I lose my status as a prankster if the thought goes on that I was deathporting, because what I actually was doing, was standing next to my spirit binder in GH, and I needed to be at the wizard king. I was indeed not deathporting, but rather joking about his lfm...

So while in theory I did nothing to him, apparently his ego prompted his actions.

[Ninety0ne]

Its nice to see people so frank about their beliefs, but you would respond to a slight (being kicked by someone who obviously is a bad fit for your play style) by completely hammering his quest and parties xp and dont see your own massive rudeness and disrespect as the same but worse?

and yes id boot and squelch you since frankly thats tired and about as funny as sharing a bunch of low level quests when some1 asks for a share.

[TitoJ]

Its nice to see people so frank about their beliefs, but you would respond to a slight (being kicked by someone who obviously is a bad fit for your play style) by completely hammering his quest and parties xp and dont see your own massive rudeness and disrespect as the same but worse?

and yes id boot and squelch you since frankly thats tired and about as funny as sharing a bunch of low level quests when some1 asks for a share.

I guess you must have missed the part about this being a game, and not a second life's calling...

But if you've been falling victim to some low level sharing, I'd look somewhere very reflective to find the actual problem.

Not only is that absolutely hilarious, it's also hilarious that you'd actually get po'd about it. I'mma try that one, from one guy who can pick up most quests...to you, who would ask for a share to Stormcleave Outpost lol.

I also fail to see how mild mannered joking can be rude and disrespectful. Who is he to me? My pappy? Should I look at the floor and say "yes sir" while he speaks to me sternly? lol...

[Poe76]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

OP wasn't even in the quest man, whole post was about a joke that didn't affect anyone except captain underoo's (the party leader)...So what did the OP do that would deserve your undying loathing? wow just wow

Just read the one post....now reading several ultra-fascist jack-boot posts...OP's actions were a joke, no disrespect invoved, no sheissen-talking was involved...
no xp loss was involved...loosen up peeps...holy smokes. Did you all miss the part where he wasn't even in the quest, so your going to boot peeps because they
/death to get somewhere....too much

[Fomori]

I understand we cant all be math majors - please answer this...

10% possible XP loss by pugging the first 5 to click - or no XP at all waiting for a group to fill with 5 more wanksters who are as anal as you

Also people seem to be more clueless about the no death bonus XP award than anything else in this game. It can be significant over the long haul but on an individual quest basis it is fairly minor.

To start with, it is not a loss, it is not getting a bonus. What this means mathematically is if it were a loss you get .9x instead of x, which is .9/1 or .9, so a 90% of optimal xp. Not getting a bonus is x instead of 1.1x, which is 1/1.1 or .909090909 rounded to 91% of optimal xp.

Secondly the no death bonus is a base xp bonus, meaning its applied as a percentage of the 'base xp' of the quest not a running total of the xp. That is because base xp bonuses are associative not commutative. That means you add them all up then that percentage bonus applies to the base xp.

What this means is that as you accumulate other bonuses the effect of losing a 10% bonus moves closer to zero from 10. In an perfect storm best case scenario in DDO that wont be any lower than costing you ~4%. The average group is about 7-8% however, with zergers being closer to 9% and get all bonus types groups closer to 6%.

What people might get confused about is when you call it a 10% loss they might associate that with actually losing xp and that its off the final total they see when they complete the quest. Neither is true and while you are not getting as much xp as you would by not dying, its usually not a severe as the common person might assume.

[Vindicatus]

+1 to you, TitoJ, for invoking nerd rage in game without griefing. I'd +1 you again if I could for invoking nerd rage in this thread.

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?

[Poe76]

I vote for Evoked, because this is nerd-rage in one of it's purest
most magical forms.

[Bunker]

So I'm in Gianthold, trying to pass the time doing some slayers, when I see an LFM for Wizard King. The LFM states "Do Not Die!" or something to that measure. So there I am, on my barb, recalling out of GH, while I click on this LFM.

I get accepted in to the group, and, being the jokester that I am, I knew I was bound in GH, so there was really only one thing to do. I /death, right after they say hi to me, while I'm still in GH, and type out in chat "OMG! I just died. sorry man.."

Insta-boot..... c'mon really?!

Saves me from running with some tightwad at least lol.

OP: Something I learnd a long time ago about humor. You have to choose your humor wisely. Not all ppl that see it and hear it will agree with it. You have to remember why yo did it, find the fun in funny, and move on.

But part of humor is accepting that not all ppl will agree with it.

-Bunk

[Lleren]

+1 to you, TitoJ, for invoking nerd rage in game without griefing. I'd +1 you again if I could for invoking nerd rage in this thread.

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?

TitoJ joined a group to grief. /shrug

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I'd vote for Evocation based upon the dictionary.com definition:

–noun
1.
an act or instance of evoking; a calling forth: the evocation of old memories.


Most definitions I found for Invocation refer to external influences, such as spirits or deities. Evocation appears to be more of a "calling forth from within", though I'm sure that can be argued...


Oh, and I just want to point out that, while I think what the OP did was funny, you have to understand that there ARE some people that take this game seriously, for whatever reasons. That does not mean that they "enjoy" it any less, just that they enjoy it in a different fashion than you or I. Think about S&M...I don't see how spanking can be considered fun, but there are some people that really get off on it...but I digress. Point is, the joke itself was funny, and the guy's response added to it...but to actually do something to egg him on or get back at him, and lessen his fun in the process, would have been wrong, no matter how you look at it. I'm happy the OP didn't do anything, so that we can all laugh at this.

[Scherwiz2]

Oh my dear Sarlona…

Not only do a noticeable number of players on this server hate Rogues but there are also so many humorless tightwads… Where did it all go wrong?

Well thumbs up to the OP for joking around and actually having fun in the game. If it were my lfm I would have gotten a good laugh out of it.

I guess you must have missed the part about this being a game, and not a second life's calling...

But if you've been falling victim to some low level sharing, I'd look somewhere very reflective to find the actual problem.

Not only is that absolutely hilarious, it's also hilarious that you'd actually get po'd about it. I'mma try that one, from one guy who can pick up most quests...to you, who would ask for a share to Stormcleave Outpost lol.

I also fail to see how mild mannered joking can be rude and disrespectful. Who is he to me? My pappy? Should I look at the floor and say "yes sir" while he speaks to me sternly? lol...

I never understood the stigma about quest sharing either. There are plenty of low level quests with long NPC dialogues and it is annoying to sift through them. Furthermore, sometimes people simply forget to grab the quest even though they know exactly where it is. I don't get all upset if someone asks me to share Weapons Shipment with them.

[LazyTigerLily]

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?

I'd vote for Evocation based upon the dictionary.com definition:

–noun
1.
an act or instance of evoking; a calling forth: the evocation of old memories.


Most definitions I found for Invocation refer to external influences, such as spirits or deities. Evocation appears to be more of a "calling forth from within", though I'm sure that can be argued...

Word nerd alert! From the description of bringing about nerd-rage I don't think it'd be either. Incite would fit a bit better.

Either way griefing the LFM was pretty freaking funny. Deathporting is a part of the game, I dunno if I have ever done a shroud that hasn't had at least one player do it. That the poster of the LFM didn't even ask if that's what the OP was doing and just booted with no response to the tell afterwords doesn't speak kindly of the group leader.

+ rep to the OP though for making me giggle