FVS Casting Speed

[Tirisha]

Lol well though I get its the intention of the Devs to supplement a quicker casting speed for the Ability to cast spontaneously in the case of the Sorc (Though Spontaneous casting is much more impressive than casting a fireball a fraction of a second quicker) I understand the reason they just dropped the Spontaneous ability from the FVS. basically DR 10, Wings and even Resist 10 to 3 different elemental types were just cool in Pnp not really that impressive mechanically but in DDO they are extremely powerful abilities.

Though I would love to see my Goddess with the fastest heals in the west (think of how many people would be alive today) I also Recognize that clerics are already underpowered compared to a FVS even with a very cool and powerful Pre.

[bendover]

Sure there is.

Your just not playing the game like everyone else.

To find balance one must first leave your Gank Pit and Quest.

With as long as your LFMs are up and empty I can see how hard it would be for you to find it.

This my friend is a big fat +1

[bendover]

I really don't think Favored Soul with faster casting speed is overpowered. If a caster with faster casting speed is overpowered, that means Sorcerer is overpowered, too.

In my opinion, faster casting speed is a nice feature that innate spell casters have and is also a feature to distinguish them from casters whose casting ability is acquired.

Thing is with Sorcerers vs. Wizards sorcs aren't overpowered. Wizards are finaly now right on par with a Sorcerer and typically (not all the time) will have higher DC checks for making epic content easier on groups.

[aristarchus1000]

The comparison with Sorcs really isn't a great reason. FvS are not a "Sorc equivalent." Wizzies get feats and other benefits so Sorcs need something to balance that out.

From a lore point of view. FvS don't cast spells "innately" like a Sorc. They get their spells through divine intervention. I'd say it probably takes around the same amount of time to get their deities to pay attention.

[Tirisha]

Limit spell selection, make FS one level behind clerics for the next spell level, make them pay to change out spells and only one every 3 days, and have a separate stats for manna and spell level, then another stat for spell DC.

lol you do have a point there. though I know a lot of people would be quick to downplay the spell selection problem I find on my FVS that I truly do suffer from it....... I just can't be not satisfied with her though. DR10 (I feel bad for all the not capped pure FVS) and Leap of Faith FTW.

On a seperate note if I was trying to make a Caster FVS then I could see some cause for feeling like I should have Faster casting (to represent spontaneous casting) since FVSs do have a significant disadvantage on casting IE 2 Casting stats.

[Tirisha]

The comparison with Sorcs really isn't a great reason. FvS are not a "Sorc equivalent." Wizzies get feats and other benefits so Sorcs need something to balance that out.

From a lore point of view. FvS don't cast spells "innately" like a Sorc. They get their spells through divine intervention. I'd say it probably takes around the same amount of time to get their deities to pay attention.

Eh I think the comparison is the ever so powerful ability to Spontaneously cast sorcs and FVS got in PnP. These wonderful classes we have in DDO are more or less a Copy and Paste from DnD 3.5 edition. Since Spontaneous casting was the main reason Sorcs could compete with Wizards in Pnp they were given a faster casting speed in DDO (though it isn't even close to being on par with spontaneous casting). But spontaneous casting was just dropped from the FVS arsenal and possibly for good reason.

[Aashrym]

MMMmmm fast casting on my bards and double mana

I suggested faster casting as a spellsinger upgrade one upon a time. Double mana would be nice too. Since casting is their focus with spellsinger bard abilities.

It's too bad we never see a 'read by a dev' in the suggestions. They seem more like 'ignored by a dev'.





On topic:

FvS have enough goodies and fast casting is the best thing a sorc offers. Add domains, more spells, more cleric PRE's, never add FvS pre's, restrict FvS spell swapping and then you might have a case for it.

Right now there's no need for it. FvS are doing fine and clerics could still stand a little more love. (ie domains).

[azrael4h]

4-6* (not including drows as they're so rarely used for fvs)

Well, that's what I would define as fairly nasty cost, but of course it depends how you want to define high cost etc.

You can start with 8 CHA, and have plenty for level 9 spells.

8 + 2 Tome + 6 item + 2 enhancements + 2 capstone = 20 CHA. Drow don't even need any enhancements. It's why I'm LRing my FvS later, to swap some points around from CHA to something else. I originally did not expect it to be as fun as it is.

[sephiroth1084]

/signed

Since Favored Souls' casting ability is innate like Sorcerers, they should cast faster just like Sorcerers do.

Sorcerers got faster casting, I'm sure, partly to offset the wizard's greater flexibility and bonus feats.

In the case of the FvS vs. cleric, the FvS gains many more class features than the cleric does, better melee capability, more spell points and one of the best survival skills in the game (wings), while the cleric has greater flexibility and access to turn-related enhancements (DV, DM, DH, DI). Personally, I'd say that clerics need a bit of a boost, not favored souls.

[Cam_Neely]

/Signed

It's obvious that p2p class should be much better than f2p... Sorry it's economics.

Firstly, thats not economics whatso ever, might be an attempt at business theory, but ... eh

Secondly a balanced game that is fun is a better business model then making the game F2P, Pay2Win.

[IanYang]

Their casting ability isnt innate, its diety granted just like clerics, which means it comes from an outside source. The diety can take that away just as quickly as a clerics or paladins abilities if they dont folow the edicts of their god.

The difference is a cleric chooses their god, where a FvS is chosen by the god.

Sorc casting ability is innate. Its in their blood, which usually has some draconic or other magical creature in their ancestory. The power comes from within. Every single god and extraplanar creature can hate the sorc in question and they can still cast.

So no, they are NOT the same. Bards are actually closer to sorcs than FvS as far as innate abilities are concerned.

/not signed.

With their innate connection to the divine, favored souls can cast divine spells without needing time for study and prayer like clerics.
- http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Class:Favored_Soul

Favored souls cast divine spells by means of an innate connection rather than through laborious training and prayer, so their divine connection is natural rather than learned. Mortals who perform great services to deities, devoting their lives and work to the cause of their god or goddess, sometimes become the Chosen of that deity.

...Unlike a cleric, however, the magic of a favored soul is natural. As such, it is unlikely to be denied by her god. Because favored souls do not need to pray for their spells, deities don't need to approve or disapprove each and every incantation.

- http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Favored_Soul

[Zilta]

I disagree but its not a bad suggestion, I just think fvs have enough bonuses to offset the loss of casting speed increase

[FaSo]

No matter whether you think they are powerful or not, they should cast faster because of their innate casting ability.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, then fvs will because the best choice for devine by a long shot(and atm it still is in most cases) and will make cliercs not even worth making

[Aaxeyu]

I really don't think Favored Soul with faster casting speed is overpowered. If a caster with faster casting speed is overpowered, that means Sorcerer is overpowered, too.

That's just wrong. You can't assume that every spellcaster is equal in every regard, as that is obviously not the case.

[Theodores]

sorcer VS. Wizard and Fvs VS clerics is not the same thing as stated before.

fvs get high survability, better saves and some solid melee dmg, if on top of that they could close to insta cast the best healing spell in the game it would be OP IMO.

I would rather see a PrE to get mor flavor than some better speed. Quicken is enough already IMO.

[asphodeli]

Why are people arguing in a hax thread? IMHO, everyone got trolled.

[Chette]

I think FVS should get the faster casting speed like Sorcerers.

Kind of like how Clerics get free metamagics like Wizards?
Oh wait...

[Anneliese]

Kind of like how Clerics get free metamagics like Wizards?
Oh wait...

The problem is - Clerics are missing Domains.

Imagine a Cleric with the Fire and the Death Domain - Wall of Fire and Wail of the Banshee ftw