Unbind DDO store items that drop in chests

[Lithic]

Turbine made a great decision by putting previously DDOstore exclusive items into the loot tables. This, combined with renown farming, has made me much more enthusiastic about getting chests that I use to not even bother opening even if I was recalling 3 steps away.

However, it was a mistake to make them bound to account in my opinion. These would be great items to put on the market, but they can't be sold.

Now I can understand the worry that this would cut into store profits, but I think this is unfounded. First of all, these items are exceedingly rare. I have witnessed 3 drops of such items since the update, among several hundred chests, usually in full groups (a single astral diamond, a lesser loot gem, and some sort of exp potion). Being so rare, the market is not likely to be flooded with cheap consumables.

In addition, I would expect sales to at least remain constant as people get to try out such items by getting them with ingame plat, and then soon start to miss them when they run out, and then go for the TP purchases. As evidence for this, I submit the exp. pot. I know several people that got hooked on the turn in ones, and when they run out they run to the store without a second thought. Throw in a sale, and they stock up like crazy.

The benefits of unbinding such items would be to promote alot more trade among players, especially from new to vets, as these items seem to drop pretty equally among difficulties and level ranges. It also prevents the let down of pulling a really rare item, then realising later that you have no use for it. Add in the plat sink of using the auction house for such items, and I think this move would be good for the game.

[Xaearth]

I think the concern is the possibility of having plat farmers undercutting DDO store prices.

Yes, us normal players are unlikely to see a large influx of DDO store items in chest loot, but...
What happens when Skynet becomes self-aware and starts making real cash by selling hearts of wood?

[sirgog]

I think the concern is the possibility of having plat farmers undercutting DDO store prices.

Yes, us normal players are unlikely to see a large influx of DDO store items in chest loot, but...
What happens when Skynet becomes self-aware and starts making real cash by selling hearts of wood?

Plat farmers can already sell XP potions (through selling the Eberron D-Shards).

[Kominalito]

there have been a lot of bad ideas posted lately, and i mean no offence, but this is the single handed reason a game falls apart. what you are basically doing is plowing a field, planting plat seeds, watering them, talking to the sprouts, playing them soothing jazz when it rains, bean poling them, pruning them, then letting loose the worst characters in the hostory of MMO - the powergaming plat farmer.

there is absolutely nothing that will ruin a game faster than putting 100% of the economy in the hands of greedy farmers. have you ever been to teh AH? this is a CONTROLLED economy, and its already crammed full of the most heinous price gougers of life. giving them a reason to steal mom's CC and buy gear to sell for plat would be this games undoing. worse than PVP. ;P (dig)

i came from a game called 12sky. it was ruined for a lot of reasons, but one of them was the economy, and the fact that the game mechanics favored the greedy.

[SardaofChaos]

there have been a lot of bad ideas posted lately, and i mean no offence, but this is the single handed reason a game falls apart. what you are basically doing is plowing a field, planting plat seeds, watering them, talking to the sprouts, playing them soothing jazz when it rains, bean poling them, pruning them, then letting loose the worst characters in the hostory of MMO - the powergaming plat farmer.

there is absolutely nothing that will ruin a game faster than putting 100% of the economy in the hands of greedy farmers. have you ever been to teh AH? this is a CONTROLLED economy, and its already crammed full of the most heinous price gougers of life. giving them a reason to steal mom's CC and buy gear to sell for plat would be this games undoing. worse than PVP. ;P (dig)

i came from a game called 12sky. it was ruined for a lot of reasons, but one of them was the economy, and the fact that the game mechanics favored the greedy.

This entire argument is unrelated to the thread completely. The op is asking that ddo store items you get from chests as an exceedingly rare drop be unbound, not that ddo store items you get from the ddo store be unbound.

[balancetraveller]

This entire argument is unrelated to the thread completely. The op is asking that ddo store items you get from chests as an exceedingly rare drop be unbound, not that ddo store items you get from the ddo store be unbound.

LOL... Did you actually read into it? OP wants them to become unbound so they can be sold in AH with jawdropping plats which then goes into the pockets of a multitude of platmules!

[NadgersFishtoaster]

I saw someone trying to sell a Large Collectibles Bag in the Ghallanda marketplace yesterday and I certainly smelt a rat while someone else openly called the person out, on the grounds of stupidity. However other people disputed this, claiming that sources other than the DDO store for this bag would be unbound.

Are such non-store Large Collectible Bags, found via rare drops or planar shards, bound or unbound?

From this post it suggests that they are bound and my instincts were correct.

[Spoprockel]

LOL... Did you actually read into it? OP wants them to become unbound so they can be sold in AH with jawdropping plats which then goes into the pockets of a multitude of platmules!

Did you read it? Even the Thread title?

Turbine made a great decision by putting previously DDOstore exclusive items into the loot tables.

However, it was a mistake to make them bound to account in my opinion. These would be great items to put on the market, but they can't be sold.

Store items that drop from chests! Like normal loot. Nobody is talking about unbound store bought items.
Why shouldn't people be allowed to sell what they loot from chests?

And nobody can be forced to buy any item for those "jawdropping plats".


I too think those chest looted items should be unbound.

/signed

[DragonRage40X]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Shard

This page suggests that Large Bags, unless bought from the store, are not usually bound.

Anyways... not sure how I feel about this. Would I like to be able to sell my looted experience pots for plat? Yes, very much so. Do I want plat farmers to make real money by doing the same thing? Not really, no. Has Turbine shut down trading plat for the effect of the experience pots? Yes, they don't want that happening. But then you can nice amounts of plat by selling the Eberron Dragonshard Fragments, which can be traded in-game for experience pots...

I just don't know, you know?

[Seventh]

I saw someone trying to sell a Large Collectibles Bag in the Ghallanda marketplace yesterday and I certainly smelt a rat while someone else openly called the person out, on the grounds of stupidity. However other people disputed this, claiming that sources other than the DDO store for this bag would be unbound.

Are such non-store Large Collectible Bags, found via rare drops or planar shards, bound or unbound?

From this post it suggests that they are bound and my instincts were correct.

I don't know about the planar shard large collectible bags, but the ones that randomly drop in chests are unbound (been lucky enough to pull three of them myself).

Edit: Back on topic. I think this would be fine for some stuff (like those odd mummy potions and store's version of SP pots) but but other stuff like astral diamonds and XP pots should probably stay bound.

[Krag]

I saw someone trying to sell a Large Collectibles Bag in the Ghallanda marketplace yesterday and I certainly smelt a rat while someone else openly called the person out, on the grounds of stupidity. However other people disputed this, claiming that sources other than the DDO store for this bag would be unbound.

Are such non-store Large Collectible Bags, found via rare drops or planar shards, bound or unbound?

From this post it suggests that they are bound and my instincts were correct.

I can confirm that unbound Large Bags do drop in chests. Large bags from planar shards turn-ins are also unbound.

Huge Bags on the other hand are store only item and I expect them to be BtA.

[boomeranky]

Are such non-store Large Collectible Bags, found via rare drops or planar shards, bound or unbound?

From this post it suggests that they are bound and my instincts were correct.

You are wrong.

Since quite some time already I carry the 100Twelve Favor Large Ingredients Bag with me, and just recently obtained my 150th planar shard on my main and can tell you, that both are unbound (as long as no bound items are placed inside the bags - as soon as you do, the bag switches to the highest bound tier of items found inside, btc being higher than bta)

If you need proove send me a pm so we can organise a meeting on ghallanda where I will send you the ingame link to the bags.

And the biggest boon is they are non-exclusive ... you can carry as much as you can affort to farm for planar shards (took me some time to find some tricks for my bard, but I managed it - grouping is much more efficient of course than soloing)

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I support the op, and don't get me with the plat farmer argument anyone. With a cap of 2^32-1 copper pieces on your char and current prices/drop rates of ioun stones and bloodstones or the prices for large ingredients it is quite easy to cap your cash amount on any char you wish in a month if you dedicate to it.

Since last update I got a lesser loot pot and a lesser xp pot, both things I might use later when I get into the second life of the char but has practically no use currently to me.

[TEcarson]

I can confirm that unbound Large Bags do drop in chests. Large bags from planar shards turn-ins are also unbound.

Huge Bags on the other hand are store only item and I expect them to be BtA.

Sadly, Huge bags are BtC now.

But...they are bound nonetheless

[Backley]

I support the OP and think that the DDO Store items that drop in chest should all be un-bound. The Hearts of Wood already are, why are the XP pots, Astral Diamonds, etc?

Got an Astral Diamond in the Shroud a few weeks ago. Practically useless because you need 5 to deposit in the airship fund.

[NadgersFishtoaster]

If these large collectible bags (not sourced from the DDO store) are unbound, rather than bound as the OP suggests, then this thread was started mistakenly and it the whole thing is a non-issue.

For ultimately I'm not the customer for such a thing. Although a 7th level character is actually quite powerful (in comparison to a D&D commoner) - they are not rich enough to buy, or burdened enough to need, such a large bag.

Nadgers struggled through with a small collectibles bag, and found a medium collectible bag to be very convenient, but this does not mean that a large collectible bag would be a thing of great desire.

However I have noticed that the small & medium bags are very similar and that is the same with the large bag then someone could easily buy the wrong bag size by mistake if they were not careful. I would recommend anyone to treat anyone trying to sell such a bag, regardless of who they might be, with same caution you would expect to deploy when dealing with a wooden horse mysteriously left by Ancient Greeks.

Everyone seems to agree that such an unbound bag would be rare so fortunately such caution will not be need all that often ...

[karl_k0ch]

Did they change something with U8? The lesser heart +3 i got was unbound and so are the 5 greater +1 one's I see at the AH for 1500kpp.

[sirgog]

Did they change something with U8? The lesser heart +3 i got was unbound and so are the 5 greater +1 one's I see at the AH for 1500kpp.

Hearts of Wood have always been the exception.

[Backley]

Hearts of Wood have always been the exception.

An exception, not the exception. Per dev comments/announcements, the cosmetic armor kits are supposed to drop unbound in chests, so they can be sold on the AH.

I don't see why any of the DDO Store items in chests are bound if many of them aren't.

Also, for those with any remaining questions about bags, see http://ddowiki.com/page/Bags

[finalf18]

I don't know if this counts but someone I was running with pulled a unbound Large Collectable bag from an Amrath rare the other day.

Edit: Also, they must not be too rare since he just went ahead and gave it to me.

Edit2: Just noticed the OP mentions the following which in my experience are still bound.

(a single astral diamond, a lesser loot gem, and some sort of exp potion).

[Backley]

Note that unbound Large Collectable/Ingredients/Gem Bags have always dropped in chests; they aren't really related to this discussion, as they aren't "DDO Store item drops" really.