Rogue Haste Boost - Good?

[acretion]

Hey yall, huge noob just had a question on the haste boost enhancements. When I read it on the char creator it seems kinda underwhelming (all the boost things do really, 20 seconds, that's it?), but I see lots of builds taking them. Are these pretty required? Is it something peeps use just for boss fights or whats the strategy usually?

If haste is super duper, what would yall suggest dropping to get the 10 enh points for it? Are the skill boosts dropable/able to make up with gear? I had wrack construct cuz i hear you cant backstab them, maybe not needed though? Maybe dump the sneak speed ones, was just a quality of life thing i suppose.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 16
Will: 5


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

[Tobril]

IDK about the entire line, but 1 point for the first level of boost is really nice.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

20 seconds may not seem like long, but man let me tell you...in 20 seconds you can really wreck some shop.

[Quarterling]

20 seconds may not seem like long, but man let me tell you...in 20 seconds you can really wreck some shop.

Agreed. Rogue Haste Boost IV is one of the best enhancements a rogue can get.

[Sydril]

Drop:

Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III

Add:

Haste Booste IV
Item Defense I


There's a bunch of other stuff you could ditch for it too but thats the first I saw.

[Red_Knight]

One reason some might take it is... For a prestige line. Acrobat requires Action Boost-Haste. As well as a couple other ones I'd probably never take otherwise. The skill boosts for tumbling and balance.

[platonicx]

Just take the first one for the lolz .. its not like it boosts ur dps purely by 10% for each line
Its calculated differently ... OH WAIT !
If you are a rogue for gods sake take full line of haste .. it stacks with totally everything and each rank boost your dps PURELY by 10% when u use it. No diminishing returns or anything just + 10% dps

[rodallec]

your thread title could be
Rogue Haste Boost = God **



until you get aggro i guess =|

[sirgog]

Yep, it's awesome. Really, really awesome.

[karl_k0ch]

Just take the first one for the lolz .. its not like it boosts ur dps purely by 10% for each line
Its calculated differently ... OH WAIT !
If you are a rogue for gods sake take full line of haste .. it stacks with totally everything and each rank boost your dps PURELY by 10% when u use it. No diminishing returns or anything just + 10% dps

Actually, it is +12% when TWFing.

And to say that it boosts your DPS by 10% (or 12%) is a bit misleading since the jump from Tier 1 of the haste boost to Tier 2 will not increase the DPS of the setup with Tier 1 by 12%, but rather add 12% of the DPS without any Alacrity bonuses. Note that the haste spell also provides such bonus.

[JDCrowell]

I could be wrong.... but I don't think I am.... Haste boost (both Fighter and Rogue versions) stack with Haste..

I've been testing this on the practice dummy with my Exploiter.....drink a pot ...swing..wait a few seconds and then activate haste boost...i'm pretty sure its stacking.

[frznvimes]

I've been testing this on the practice dummy with my Exploiter.....drink a pot ...swing..wait a few seconds and then activate haste boost...i'm pretty sure its stacking.

apparently action boosts are their own bonus category and stack with everything
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=220736

[karl_k0ch]

In the previously linked Attack speed analysis by Vanshilar, he is suggesting that any Alacrity bonuses stack with each other, e.g. Haste spell, Haste Boost and also the old Tempest I speed boost.

[Draccus]

Agreed. Rogue Haste Boost IV is one of the best enhancements a rogue can get.

Agreed. It's phenomenal.

I'd suggest dropping:
Wrack Construct
Improved DD
Skill Boost

And pick up all four tiers of Haste Boost along with Rogue Extra Action to get 6 boosts. Haste Boost is that good.

[Intension]

Rogue haste boost IV is a very good choise for DPS

Depending on my personal preferences but since I'm not sneaking that much I'm not a big fun of faster sneaking. I'd rather chose human adaptability II constitution that unlock racial though III

I've also human versatility IV that is much better than rogue skill boost because you can chose what to boost : skills, saves, damage, AC or to hit. In that way I can use rogue haste boost AND damage boost together or haste and boosting my "to hit" for epic high AC bosses.

Wrack construct and DD are not really usefull

my 2 cp

[Cauthey]

So... Haste Boost > Damage Boost?

I had originally taken both of them at tier 1, and realized that doing so was a pretty silly choice since they both operate on the same cooldown.

Looks like I may be resetting enhancements again. Itherey's going to be peeved!

[Draccus]

So... Haste Boost > Damage Boost?

I had originally taken both of them at tier 1, and realized that doing so was a pretty silly choice since they both operate on the same cooldown.

Looks like I may be resetting enhancements again. Itherey's going to be peeved!

Damage Boost II is required for Assassin, so you really don't have a choice if you're an assassin.

The damage boost isn't bad, but the haste boost is dramatically better. Remember, Damage boost will add a bit of damage to your main attack (and a multiple on your crits). But haste boots increases the number of hits which ALSO increase sneak attacks. That's why it's so good.

In a long fight (like Suulomades in Elite ToD or Crateos in Epic Snitch or the named giant in solo Epic Claw), I'll go through all my haste boosts and then my damage boosts. But in shorter fights, I'd never waste a 30 second cooldown on a damage boost versus a haste boost.

[Razcar]

Haste Boosts are not "good". They are ahsum. Take them, max them, use them.

A rogue's evening prayer:

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Six my soul to keep
And if I ever shrine with a haste boost left
May I never succeed with another theft

I could be wrong.... but I don't think I am.... Haste boost (both Fighter and Rogue versions) stack with Haste..

Well of course it's stacking. Just make sure you have your Subtle Backstabbing active when you click it since you will rocket your DPS.

[Cauthey]

Yeah, I had figured that might be the case. More hits > a couple more points of damage per hit. Good to know!

[JDCrowell]

Haste Boosts are not "good". They are ahsum. Take them, max them, use them.

A rogue's evening prayer:

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Six my soul to keep
And if I ever shrine with a haste boost left
May I never succeed with another theft


Well of course it's stacking. Just make sure you have your Subtle Backstabbing active when you click it since you will rocket your DPS.

haha...love the "prayer"

and what do i care if i get their aggro....i just take it from the squishies I use it on my Exploiter afterall

i love splitting up my groups.... "you 5 go down that hallway and i'll clear this one...race you to the end" lol