Tomes shouldn't self-destruct

[BlackSteel]

The +3/+4 tomes, while beneficial to a toon, are not really a game changer unless you plan for its inclusion at character planning. Then you can use the extra boost to save build points to put into another stat. Usually that lets you save on the 15-18 range where its save 2 or 3 for 1 on points. Having that power reusable because you got lucky on a system roll (that the tome popped and showed up in your name) is ludicrous.

It may not be reusable, but you can certainly exploit a +4 tome with creation points simply by lesser ressing after you acquire it. Its fairly nice having the TWF line with only an investment of 5 creation points.

[JUJAMAKILL]

Dunno if anyone brought this up yet, but i find the excuse against not having tomes re-apply at the new appropriate levels (ie 3,7,15?) is laughable.I mean, i can go for completionist, which involves say 10 lvls of each class. I can recall things about my past lives over those 10 lvls,(long time...) in order to qualify for multiple "past life" feats, yet i cant remember that i read a +3/4 tome that raised one of my stats by w/e amount? if i read a book that increased my strength by +4 or so, i'd say that was a pretty big highlight of my past life, one that i doubt i would forget.

Allowing them to re-apply would not only see more ppl reincarnating (ie more sales in the timber department of the store), but i would even suggest that the tomes bought in store would increase. Not that i ever agreed with their availability in the store in the first place, however, Turbine put them in there so....people that wouldnt normally TR because of the loss of tomes would be more inclined to TR, and with that, i assume they would also buy the tomes that they were otherwise missing for other stats. I also think it would see people TR'ing multiple characters, rather than just grinding them out one at a time. If Turbine really wanted some more cashflow, im sure this one small change would contribute to the cause.

I like many others have a bunch of tomes waiting in Bankland, in the hope that they may be used 'one day'. I have only tr'd one character in the hopes of gaining completionist, and it has been a full time chore. With work and RL commitments i estimate it will take just over 12 mths for me to finally get there, at the rate i am lvling now. No doubt i will be just in time for Turbine to release another bunch of classes. Hell, if i had the choice, i'd even take the ability to have a +3 tome only apply at the max level, (ie full bonus at lvl15? and not apply the earlier +1, +2 at the earlier lvls)over nothing at all. One other thing. for ppl to say that it is overpowered for tomes to reapply after TR, what is the difference between TRing with tomes self applying, or starting a new toon that has a full bank of tomes waiting at the start of creation?

Of course, there is no real difference. the only difference is Pnp vs DDO. And we know that argument doesnt stand, when your using a keyboard, not a pen

[TheSavage]

My girlfriend (Premium player who has spent way too much on DDO points for stuff that I'd consider pretty useless) bought a +2 tome of supreme ability from the DDO store. She hadn't been playing long, and just sort of thought "it would be neat if my character was better!"

Now, as she gets more into the game, perhaps she decides that she would like to TR, because "that might be neat too!". She's now out real world currency not only for the heart of wood (she's not a fan of the grinding...) but she'd be out real world currency on the tome that would have vanished into thin air.

To be fair, I doubt she'll bother TRing, but if the mood ever struck her, I think it's pretty ridiculous that she'd be able to keep her DDO store "bunny hat"(250 TP), but not the benefit from the tome that cost her 2495(?) turbine points?

Personally, I think rather than making BtC multi-use tomes, just flagging the account with the inherent bonus that only shows up when you hit the required level after a TR...

I'd never actually spend TP on tomes, as I've managed to find a reasonable number in the game, and the AH has lots as well, but if I had spent TP on them and I didn't get to keep the benefit, it would basically mean that I would never TR that toon.

TL;DR /signed

[Jay203]

/not signed
either earn the +3/+4 tome again or don't use them until you're done with your TR'ing
simple as that >_>

[Antheal]

/not signed
either earn the +3/+4 tome again or don't use them until you're done with your TR'ing
simple as that >_>

And how long do you expect THAT will take?

[SardaofChaos]

Going to reiterate a couple points and address a few issues here:
Making tomes reusable would also make them BTC(possibly on use, possibly on acquire) so there is no chance of you using it then selling it or passing it to another char.
Eating a +3/+4 tome does inherently change the balance between the choices of TR or 20, because you now have a bonus if you go 20 and a penalty if you go TR. As further thought, reusable tomes would erase this imbalance.
Tomes passing through lives would not be OP because it is like having more creation points. The bonus is reapplied throughout 20 levels, and you don't even get a single point until level 3.
Stating that you already get a bonus in creation points for going TR is irrelevant because that bonus only happens up to a max of 36 points.
Saying this shouldn't happen because PnP says so is a little bit ignorant. You're not playing PnP, if you haven't noticed.
Telling people to go reearn them is extremely elitist. Maybe some people don't have time to do every raid every 3 days for a month in order for their luck to hold out.
As a personal opinion, the phrase 'inherent bonus' implies that it's not there because of an item, or because of a buff, it's there because you're special for whatever reason and going TR should not change that. You're the same person, just with a different skillset.

[silvertrit]

/wf eats paper to maintain his wooden body

[Xezno]

/signed

I might get flamed for putting this idea out there - but i would actually be willing to pay TP in order to make tomes i find reusable. I would ofcource prefer for it to be free - but turbine might be more eager to implement this mechanic if they can make some more sales. Maybe make it like true hearts; you can spend epic tokens or use TP.

[Krag]

/signed

I might get flamed for putting this idea out there - but i would actually be willing to pay TP in order to make tomes i find reusable. I would ofcource prefer for it to be free - but turbine might be more eager to implement this mechanic if they can make some more sales. Maybe make it like true hearts; you can spend epic tokens or use TP.

I would pay for any persistent benefit too. However I strongly believe that no such benefits should ever be implemented.

[Dendrix]

I think the cost of Tome Retention through a True Ressurection should be a Turbine Store option and it should cost exactly the same as buying a +2 tome from the store (or a +2 supreme tome if you want it on all stats)

Reading the "Tome Retention" tome should generate bound to character tomes with no minimum level equal to the bonus you have on your statistic from a tome.

These don't need a minimum level as the points kick in as you level up like a LR

[VinchenzoTJackal]

Well, yes, but that's simply because you don't have BtC items for the most part in PnP. If the magic didn't "disappear" then the characters would hand them to each other and all would benefit from it.

There's no reason why a BtC tome couldn't be reused in DDO by the same character after a TR, unless the Devs just don't want us to. It has nothing to do with PnP.

This seems like a painful and debilating problem that does indeed have nothing to do with PnP.
In PnP you can sell or trade these magical tomes. You should be able to do the same in all forms in DDO.
This would make the game more PnP like, allowing people access to these tomes, so long as they either keep them unused. After all, the problem is with unused books vanishing.
In fact, that is a bug, and should be reported elsewhere. No Tome of Stat Enchantment should vanish randomly without reason purpose and logic. Considering this, everyone should start reporting this as a bug until the staff can find a way to fix the bug involving unused Tomes vanishing.