Vault of Night 6 Shrine

[TheDearLeader]

It's been said multiple times... This was an at-level run of von6. Can't do Subterrane.

Technically *could* do Subterrane, if someone higher level is in the party with you. It lets you in at a fairly low level if you have someone above level 14 or something with you.

Of course, good luck on a level 8 farming enough Planar Shards for the clickie.

[Jaid314]

Sorry I don't agree

healers shouldn't be dead in the first place (unless they are not healing themselves)
other classes can gain some umd and even some pallys have the raise feat at I think lev 9?
also res cakes are available from the store I'm sure at least 1 out of 12 people could of purchased one to raise one of the healers.

really no excuse to die in von6, esp if you are a healer..means your not doing your job and shouldn't be healing in the first place.
later on you get deathpact its times like these when you need it.

try epic vons and then come back and ask for a shrine :P

It's called a CHALLENGE!!

death pact also doesn't work in raids, iirc.

[moops]

death pact also doesn't work in raids, iirc.

Death Pact works in most raids. . .We use it in laggy VON6, and of course Hound if things start to go sideways

Im on the fence about this, I know that I went out and rolled better alts who could use Raise Dead Scrolls at Lvl 12 or so, after having things like this happen.. . .Or farmed for Ring of the Ancestors, But since all the other raids have one, I suppose that this one should. Tho I would like to see it only on Normal and Hard, not on Elite or Epic.

Also, Icy Runs seem to start at LVL 14, and I have def brought in level 1-10s just for another loot chance, not in the past few months tho.

[ZeroTakenaka]

Death Pact works in most raids. . .We use it in laggy VON6, and of course Hound if things start to go sideways

Im on the fence about this, I know that I went out and rolled better alts who could use Raise Dead Scrolls at Lvl 12 or so, after having things like this happen.. . .Or farmed for Ring of the Ancestors, But since all the other raids have one, I suppose that this one should. Tho I would like to see it only on Normal and Hard, not on Elite or Epic.

Also, Icy Runs seem to start at LVL 14, and I have def brought in level 1-10s just for another loot chance, not in the past few months tho.

That'd be the same thing as saying all other raids shouldn't have a raise shrine on elite. >.>

[Pape_27]

death pact also doesn't work in raids, iirc.

yes, it does work in raids

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[BattleCircle]

Yes there should be a shrine at the end of the raid.

It is a raid, it is on a timer, and it is difficult, there is loot that some people grind for, if you complete the raid you are entitled to your chance of loot.

All the arguments about clickies and scrolls are mute. You cannot raise anyone if you are dead!

Stuff happens.

But it shouldn't put you on a timer and mean more grind because you couldn't get raised after completion.

[ZeroTakenaka]

A bit surprised this hasn't been moved/deleted... can we say that this has a read by a dev note by MadFloyd? =3

Or... you can just give me a link to the in-game suggestion form that's not on the Suggestions Forum.

[Tholar]

well, 3 out of 6 is 50% I suppose

I would also like some proof.

Hard to dispute Lorien, but would like to see it.

His greenis is so large, he can neg rep Devs to the point they need to approve their own messages.

(yes I know this isn't possible)

[ZeroTakenaka]

Bump in attempt to get this read more. Any dev comments on this appreciated.

[JoshuJushin]

/signed
I gotta agree that the last two raids without the completion shrine should be made consistent with the others and have them added in this or the next update. Thanks.

[Jap173]

I too think there should be a shrine after velah. I had an experience like this during the first couple of weeks after the change to the velah fight that came out with epic. After about 10 failures from people not listening/understanding how the fight had changed, and before I knew about the breath attack, I was in a group that managed to kill velah, but both of the clerics died, and the one character who did have a res left just before the kill so not to get a timer. Several tickets were sent in, and members were told to that there were store items that could raise. Several people bought em only to discover they would work in raids. To make a long story short, 1/2 the raid was ultimately unable to loot after waiting about 2 hrs for dev replies. Not only would a shrine there allow the raid to loot, it also would save some GM time for more important problems

[Riorik]

Common request, and still a good one.

In the early days of DDO they were quite ok with a half dead party missing out on the final chest. Heck, the way it worked then you could see two raid loot pieces and not touch them if the group leader was dead.

I'm pretty sure the loot wasn't flagged to the individual, it was flagged to the group leader status. Passing that status to another would have allowed them to allocate the loot. I think your leader would have had to be AFK also...disconnected would have auto-passed.

adding below when I noticed some thread drama:

care to explain instead of just throwing out blank statements?

I have read plenty of loriens post and trust him a lot more then someone with a disabled rep with 4 post

Well, he was nitpicking. The only the first 'false' was legit. I think he was wrong also and the above is the reason why. The last was a 'false' thrown at an opinion. Not exactly a fair evaluation. It's probably more fair to say he disagreed with the need for the suggestion. I think that's just an opinion.

For me, I'd say why not...what would it really hurt to add a rez shrine? Easy button? Maybe. But why not.

The resurrection ring is only available in the restless isles as a rare drop. (Although it is nice)

As for the raise dead scroll there are two problems:

A. You have to have someone with enough UMD ALIVE to raise. (Bards can do this with a 20% or so chance with a max of maybe 50% chance if the bard is alive.
B. Some players don't carry these scrolls until their UMD is close enough.

I'd disagree with these percentages. At level 10, that's Skill (13) + Stat (8) + Greater Heroism (4) + Focusing Chant (1) + Luck (Rabbit, Luckstone or Voice) + HumanVersatility4(+5) + Cartouche (3) = 35. The non-Bard/Rogue maximum is only 8 points lower. I had characters under the level 10 cap that had totals like this. At the level range of this raid...you have to add higher skills (+2-4 for skill), +1 (2 total for the Head of Good Fortune).

Perhaps the player(s) that might have had a chance at doing this were among the fallen?
Personally, I'd recommend any character that can UMD a Raise Dead scroll to start carrying them as soon as they hit 10-20% at their best buffed chance. They may make a decision not to try if it's not critical.

[AylinIsAwesome]

This suggestion makes perfect sense to me.

Please add one.

[flynnjsw]

I still doubt it'll happen.

I would agree with you if every other (besides Titan) Raid did not have them at the end.

[noinfo]

Technically *could* do Subterrane, if someone higher level is in the party with you. It lets you in at a fairly low level if you have someone above level 14 or something with you.

Of course, good luck on a level 8 farming enough Planar Shards for the clickie.

I don't think this is true since DDO EU.

While I have not tried it since the start of EU it was my experience that you are locked out now even if a party member is of appropriate level. I miss the old level 8 running Giant Hold days and the exp of doing a quest below level.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm pretty sure the loot wasn't flagged to the individual, it was flagged to the group leader status. Passing that status to another would have allowed them to allocate the loot. I think your leader would have had to be AFK also...disconnected would have auto-passed..

Hmm...that was so long ago, and I didn't raid much then because I didn't like the 2 item loot system... I thought the two items spawned for whoever had the star at completion, but I could easily be wrong on that one.

[Glenalth]

Hmm...that was so long ago, and I didn't raid much then because I didn't like the 2 item loot system... I thought the two items spawned for whoever had the star at completion, but I could easily be wrong on that one.

2 items spawned in a chest, unassigned to anyone.

2 warding stones spawned on the ground next to the chest. Only the party leader could pick them up.

Once the party leader had them, he could trade a stone to a player to allow them to loot any one item in the chest.

There were quite a few problems that the system caused, but it did make raid loot feel much more special.

[Riorik]

Awesome, that's it. My memory was seriously hazy...that's despite having done this very thing hundreds of times (and led groups).

Of course, this is just historical info - kinda doesn't matter much with the mechanic changed. For us, raids were sort of closed runs and you were always running with known friends....known competence (or not) but you knew...and everyone behaved when it came time to distribute the loot. I consider that the good old days; lots of fun. It was a different kind of fun when the mechanic changed and it actually became beneficial to get a core group together and then recruit as many as possible to fill the raid regardless of need for their class/build/whatever.

I found that fun too.

[ZeroTakenaka]

Read this: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=323594

[ZeroTakenaka]

WHy is this not bumping? o.o