Vault of Night 6 Shrine

[ZeroTakenaka]

Ran VON6. Both healers dead and 6 others. Couldn't raise. Please add shrine after completion.

(( GTG soon ))

EDIT: Okay I had to go to college so I didn't exactly explain everything

We just ran von5 on elite. This was a PUG group on Khyber with everyone lvl 11 to 14. We ran it on hard and when we were going in to face the dragon. Most people died at the door(a few stragglers). We rush in and begin beating the dragon down... now she isn't exactly hard to beat down but when I said fire get out even more people died. Able to kill her with only 4 people left standing(none of them were healers). I asked a GM to spawn an ethereal rez shrine since the raid was already over and most other raids already had a rez shrine at the end.

You can guess how that went. >.>

EDIT 2: Also a rezz shrine in the Restless Isles raid would be good.

The point is that now the people who died are stuck on a timer and will not be able to even have a chance at raid loot. It's not fair to them.

EDIT 3: A certain thread - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=323594 is allowing me to push this thread BACK from the dead to PLEASE add a ressurection shrine at the end of The Restless Isles raid and at the end of the Vault of Night raid.

Also, teleporter to the Forge would be nice.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Common request, and still a good one.

In the early days of DDO they were quite ok with a half dead party missing out on the final chest. Heck, the way it worked then you could see two raid loot pieces and not touch them if the group leader was dead.

Since then they realized this was "unfun" and ensured there was a rez shrine at the end of new raids, and even retrofitted some old ones...but somehow not Von6. It definately needs an ethereal rez shrine on completion.

[Chris79]

Yea I was in that raid, a rez shrine sure would have been nice

Can I haz lewt now pls?

[Dexxaan]

Nm....

[BFD20001]

Common request, and still a good one.

This is true

In the early days of DDO they were quite ok with a half dead party missing out on the final chest.

This is true

Heck, the way it worked then you could see two raid loot pieces and not touch them if the group leader was dead.

This is FALSE

Since then they realized this was "unfun"

This is FALSE

and ensured there was a rez shrine at the end of new raids, and even retrofitted some old ones...but somehow not Von6.

True

It definately needs an ethereal rez shrine on completion.

This is also FALSE


well, 3 out of 6 is 50% I suppose

[rjedi]

This is true

This is true

This is FALSE

This is FALSE

True

This is also FALSE

well, 3 out of 6 is 50% I suppose

care to explain instead of just throwing out blank statements?

I have read plenty of loriens post and trust him a lot more then someone with a disabled rep with 4 post

[Glenalth]

Had a Titan pug where the cleric ran out of raise dead components and didn't carry scrolls.

4 dead people, 3 raises available from clickies...

Had people roll on raises.

[BossOfEarth]

Had people roll on raises.

That is hardcore! :CX

[ZeroTakenaka]

Had a Titan pug where the cleric ran out of raise dead components and didn't carry scrolls.

4 dead people, 3 raises available from clickies...

Had people roll on raises.

That would be funny...

Also Restless Isles needs an ethereal raise shrine.

[Tholar]

well, 3 out of 6 is 50% I suppose

I would also like some proof.

Hard to dispute Lorien, but would like to see it.

His greenis is so large, he can neg rep Devs to the point they need to approve their own messages.

(yes I know this isn't possible)

[Riorik]

Common request, and still a good one.

In the early days of DDO they were quite ok with a half dead party missing out on the final chest. Heck, the way it worked then you could see two raid loot pieces and not touch them if the group leader was dead.

I'm pretty sure the loot wasn't flagged to the individual, it was flagged to the group leader status. Passing that status to another would have allowed them to allocate the loot. I think your leader would have had to be AFK also...disconnected would have auto-passed.

adding below when I noticed some thread drama:

care to explain instead of just throwing out blank statements?

I have read plenty of loriens post and trust him a lot more then someone with a disabled rep with 4 post

Well, he was nitpicking. The only the first 'false' was legit. I think he was wrong also and the above is the reason why. The last was a 'false' thrown at an opinion. Not exactly a fair evaluation. It's probably more fair to say he disagreed with the need for the suggestion. I think that's just an opinion.

For me, I'd say why not...what would it really hurt to add a rez shrine? Easy button? Maybe. But why not.

The resurrection ring is only available in the restless isles as a rare drop. (Although it is nice)

As for the raise dead scroll there are two problems:

A. You have to have someone with enough UMD ALIVE to raise. (Bards can do this with a 20% or so chance with a max of maybe 50% chance if the bard is alive.
B. Some players don't carry these scrolls until their UMD is close enough.

I'd disagree with these percentages. At level 10, that's Skill (13) + Stat (8) + Greater Heroism (4) + Focusing Chant (1) + Luck (Rabbit, Luckstone or Voice) + HumanVersatility4(+5) + Cartouche (3) = 35. The non-Bard/Rogue maximum is only 8 points lower. I had characters under the level 10 cap that had totals like this. At the level range of this raid...you have to add higher skills (+2-4 for skill), +1 (2 total for the Head of Good Fortune).

Perhaps the player(s) that might have had a chance at doing this were among the fallen?
Personally, I'd recommend any character that can UMD a Raise Dead scroll to start carrying them as soon as they hit 10-20% at their best buffed chance. They may make a decision not to try if it's not critical.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm pretty sure the loot wasn't flagged to the individual, it was flagged to the group leader status. Passing that status to another would have allowed them to allocate the loot. I think your leader would have had to be AFK also...disconnected would have auto-passed..

Hmm...that was so long ago, and I didn't raid much then because I didn't like the 2 item loot system... I thought the two items spawned for whoever had the star at completion, but I could easily be wrong on that one.

[Glenalth]

Hmm...that was so long ago, and I didn't raid much then because I didn't like the 2 item loot system... I thought the two items spawned for whoever had the star at completion, but I could easily be wrong on that one.

2 items spawned in a chest, unassigned to anyone.

2 warding stones spawned on the ground next to the chest. Only the party leader could pick them up.

Once the party leader had them, he could trade a stone to a player to allow them to loot any one item in the chest.

There were quite a few problems that the system caused, but it did make raid loot feel much more special.

[Riorik]

Awesome, that's it. My memory was seriously hazy...that's despite having done this very thing hundreds of times (and led groups).

Of course, this is just historical info - kinda doesn't matter much with the mechanic changed. For us, raids were sort of closed runs and you were always running with known friends....known competence (or not) but you knew...and everyone behaved when it came time to distribute the loot. I consider that the good old days; lots of fun. It was a different kind of fun when the mechanic changed and it actually became beneficial to get a core group together and then recruit as many as possible to fill the raid regardless of need for their class/build/whatever.

I found that fun too.

[Pape_27]

Ran VON6. Both healers dead and 6 others. Couldn't raise. Please add shrine after completion.

(( GTG soon ))

umd ftw

[stainer]

umd ftw

Pos-pos skellie beater ftw.

[Chai]

This request makes way too much sense. It made way too much sense in 2007. Yes, there needs to be a raise shrine after completion.

[Carpone]

Makes too much sense to add this. -1 rep.

>.>

[Impaqt]

While I'm certainly not opposed to a shrine at the end of Von6, I find it shocking that people running epics dont have a way to raise dead.

a Pos/Pos shroud item is just too easy to make.

[ZeroTakenaka]

A bit surprised this hasn't been moved/deleted... can we say that this has a read by a dev note by MadFloyd? =3

Or... you can just give me a link to the in-game suggestion form that's not on the Suggestions Forum.