Which half is better??

[Jalpa7]

So assuming pure rogue, TWF Khopesh, assasin.

Which is the overall better choice??


HALFORC or HALFLING??

[AylinIsAwesome]

So assuming pure rogue, TWF Khopesh, assasin.

Which is the overall better choice??


HALFORC or HALFLING??

For pure DPS? Half Orc.

[Dark-Star]

It's debatable and situational.

With the new half elf enhancements you have to put HE's in the mix.

Half elves will get 10.5 average racial sneack attack damage, vs. a halfling's 8, and for far fewer AP spent. HE has 3 more str than halfling. Halflings could have 2-3 more to hit when sneack attacking.

HO has 3 more str than HE, but zero extra SA damage or to hit. HO has potentially two more action boosts.

So in rough summary, if all three races hit on a 2 and are doing SA damage, HE's are superior. On non-SA attacks, HO is superior. On very high AC mobs, if you are sneak attacking halfling is superior, non-SA then half orc is by a small margin.

[Rauven]

Half elves will get 10.5 average racial sneack attack damage, vs. a halfling's 8, and for far fewer AP spent. HE has 3 more str than halfling. Halflings could have 2-3 more to hit when sneack attacking.

I assume you mean a half elf rogue with rogue dilettante taking the dilettante enhancements. Wouldn't work. Half elf rogue dilettante sneak attack doesn't stack with rogue sneak attack per the feat description.

On topic, khopeshes are not a finessable weapon, which means that more strength = more damage and to hit. Halfling's have a -2 strength racial adjustment while half orcs have a +2 as well as strength enhancements. That combined with the rogue's 3/4 bab makes me think that the half orc is the better option for a strength khopesh rogue. Half orcs get enhancements for two handed fighting though, so a half orc rogue might be better off using a falchion than two khopeshes.

[Jaid314]

nope, extra damage from offhand sneak-attack procs is WAY more than the bonus orc damage + glancing blow (on which you do not gain sneak attack damage), unless you're in the middle of a truly gargantuan pile of enemies all crammed in close enough to be within glancing blow range and each having no DR vs your attack whatsoever.

(in other words... in a sufficiently large majority of the time that you can essentially call it always, TWF is going to be better than THF, and this only gets to be more true on a rogue when your main source of damage (sneak attack) is applied to off-hand TWF attacks, but not to glancing blows from THF.

the only time THF even starts to look good from a dps PoV on a rogue is for acrobats, and even that is pretty iffy.

edit: to clarify, THF on an acrobat still probably isn't overall better. it might be enough of a boost to make it better in certain limited situations, however, such as when you're fighting something that can't be sneak attacked. maybe.

[AylinIsAwesome]

It's debatable and situational.

With the new half elf enhancements you have to put HE's in the mix.

Half elves will get 10.5 average racial sneack attack damage, vs. a halfling's 8, and for far fewer AP spent. HE has 3 more str than halfling. Halflings could have 2-3 more to hit when sneack attacking.

HO has 3 more str than HE, but zero extra SA damage or to hit. HO has potentially two more action boosts.

So in rough summary, if all three races hit on a 2 and are doing SA damage, HE's are superior. On non-SA attacks, HO is superior. On very high AC mobs, if you are sneak attacking halfling is superior, non-SA then half orc is by a small margin.

Don't forget Power Attack enhancements for Horc as well.

As already mentioned, Helf SA damage won't stack with Rogue levels.

The difference, in damage, between Horc and Helf is that Horc has +6 base damage, and that Helf has +8 Sneak Attack damage. Due do being able to crit though, and auto-crit situations, Horc has better damage (even in non-auto-crit situations). Plus the 2 extra Haste Boosts are quite huge.

I assume you mean a half elf rogue with rogue dilettante taking the dilettante enhancements. Wouldn't work. Half elf rogue dilettante sneak attack doesn't stack with rogue sneak attack per the feat description.

On topic, khopeshes are not a finessable weapon, which means that more strength = more damage and to hit. Halfling's have a -2 strength racial adjustment while half orcs have a +2 as well as strength enhancements. That combined with the rogue's 3/4 bab makes me think that the half orc is the better option for a strength khopesh rogue. Half orcs get enhancements for two handed fighting though, so a half orc rogue might be better off using a falchion than two khopeshes.

Stick with TWF for a Rogue, even with Horc. Don't let the +4 damage to THF trap you.