Spellsong Vigor/Sustaining Song on Warforged not fixed?

[Darkrok]

I've bug reported this and mentioned it in the bard boards several weeks ago. Had high hopes that a simple problem such as this might be fixed in 7.1 and figured I better put this here in the Lamannia board now that the next update is already being previewed.

Sustaining Song from the Virtuoso II PrE and Spellsong Vigor from the Spellsinger II PrE do not work on Warforged. In addition, they both seem to use the same programming as tavern drinks as indicated by the same audio being used for both (the 'ding' sound). If it's true that they use the same programming then warforged would simply need their tavern drink of the appropriate type applied when the song hits them instead of the fleshy version and all would be fixed.

Here's hoping that this fix can find its way into Update 8!

[Irinis]

My WF Virtuoso is eagerly awaiting this fix. Please let it make it in to Upd8!

[Darkrok]

Very strange tonight...I sang this song on a Warforged in the party (as I do every day just hoping) and it was working. Double, triple checked. Asked the person. Double-checked again. It DEFINITELY held on two separate occassions on this particular Warforged. Still does nothing when self-cast though. Will continue to provide feedback here though I've already bug-reported the problem so don't want to keep reporting the same thing without some feedback from Turbine asking for further info.

[Scraap]

Very strange tonight...I sang this song on a Warforged in the party (as I do every day just hoping) and it was working. Double, triple checked. Asked the person. Double-checked again. It DEFINITELY held on two separate occassions on this particular Warforged. Still does nothing when self-cast though. Will continue to provide feedback here though I've already bug-reported the problem so don't want to keep reporting the same thing without some feedback from Turbine asking for further info.

Happen to know if they had healing amp bringing them up to or past 100% at the time? That could be another point of causality, if it's cutting off similar to regen on items...

[Darkrok]

Happen to know if they had healing amp bringing them up to or past 100% at the time? That could be another point of causality, if it's cutting off similar to regen on items...

I highly doubt it as it was a Warforged Arcane. Can't say 100% but I doubt it. It was Spellsong Vigor that hit him by the way...left that out of the previous post.

[Scraap]

I highly doubt it as it was a Warforged Arcane. Can't say 100% but I doubt it. It was Spellsong Vigor that hit him by the way...left that out of the previous post.

Well, probably rules that on out then, quite agreed.

[Darkrok]

It happened in Von5 so I'll try in there again once my timer's up. Had a spellsinger friend that could not duplicate it later though so not sure whether is was a fluke or not.

[Irinis]

I was running Chronoscope a while back and noticed +4's floating up instead of +2s... maybe it's critting at a very low percentage? And then only working on WF when it happens to be a crit? If your friend's song hit the WF for half on a crit...

[Darkrok]

I was running Chronoscope a while back and noticed +4's floating up instead of +2s... maybe it's critting at a very low percentage? And then only working on WF when it happens to be a crit? If your friend's song hit the WF for half on a crit...

Hrm...what would cause the crits then? My bet would be arcane lore if that theory is correct, at least on the Spellsong Vigor. Though I guess my Spellsinger's lacking either lore so it's hard to say.

[Scraap]

Actually, got the song working on the WF wiz earlier on live. Lich form.

[Irinis]

Don't have Arcane Lore on her, might have been wearing the gloves from Reaver at the time (Healing Lore) but I don't remember. Usually I just wear dex on gloves right now for the reflex save.

If it happens again I'll check what she's wearing.


Hmmm Lich form... so it works on undead but not WF.

[Darkrok]

Don't have Arcane Lore on her, might have been wearing the gloves from Reaver at the time (Healing Lore) but I don't remember. Usually I just wear dex on gloves right now for the reflex save.

If it happens again I'll check what she's wearing.


Hmmm Lich form... so it works on undead but not WF.

Oh heck no. So the song works on flippin' undead but not Warforged?!?

I'm guessing that I missed the same thing. It was a WF wizard that I tossed it on but someone had just passed out the axer pack and everyone had 2 billion effects on them. I had to do a /who to figure out race. So that answers that...undead Warforged get it but not the sort of living ones. I'm sure you're right on that part.

If it was healing lore that caused the crit I'd think I would have noticed that before. I don't have the reaver gloves yet but I have 9%/2.25 multiplier from enhancements. I'd have thought I would have gotten a crit by now.

[Irinis]

Is it a reported and known bug due to be fixed that sustaining song and song of vigor don't apply separately? I just wasted 2 songs in an epic when the virtuoso with longer songs overrode my sp regen on 2 people. Should I bug report or is it already in the works to be fixed?

[Aashrym]

I was running Chronoscope a while back and noticed +4's floating up instead of +2s...

I noticed that too recently. I thought I even saw a +5 once but it went by too fast in the midst of things.

[Thoon]

Is it a reported and known bug due to be fixed that sustaining song and song of vigor don't apply separately? I just wasted 2 songs in an epic when the virtuoso with longer songs overrode my sp regen on 2 people. Should I bug report or is it already in the works to be fixed?

I would definitely bug report that if I were you. See the link in my signature to find the bug reporting tool.

[Darkrok]

I would definitely bug report that if I were you. See the link in my signature to find the bug reporting tool.

Any word though on whether the Warforged not receiving any benefit from either Spellsong Vigor and Sustaining Song is a bug or WAI? I've already bug reported this but will continue to do so if it's indeed a bug. If it's WAI, while I'd suggest rethinking that decision I'd also start working on gathering the gear for my WF'd bard's next life as 2/3 of the bard PrE's would be sub-par for him then.

[Valindria]

I'd like to compile a list of bugged bard songs. I would like to try to get the full list so we can replicate and file bug reports and hopefully get the Devs help to fix the issues.

Bugs:
- Suggestion (and Mass) Song Does not work with Entralled Mobs
- Sustaining Song Does not work on Warforged
- Spellsong Vigor does not work on Warforged
- If a target has Spellsong Vigor (via a SS) and then gets Sustaining Song (via a different Virt) the vigor is removed
- Most songs sharing a cooldown timer. It does not make sense that Sustaining song causes inspire greatness to recharge. All songs should have their own cooldown timer.

What am I missing?

[Irinis]

What am I missing?

I heard a rumour that Song of Capering sometimes just doesn't work, with no feedback about why it's not working.

[Zerkul]

I was running Chronoscope a while back and noticed +4's floating up instead of +2s... maybe it's critting at a very low percentage? And then only working on WF when it happens to be a crit? If your friend's song hit the WF for half on a crit...

I might be mistaking but i think i saw something like that too: not sure but i remember to see that +4 floating (i have a spellsinger bard).

[MrkGrismer]

I'd like to compile a list of bugged bard songs. I would like to try to get the full list so we can replicate and file bug reports and hopefully get the Devs help to fix the issues.

Bugs:
- Suggestion (and Mass) Song Does not work with Entralled Mobs
- Sustaining Song Does not work on Warforged
- Spellsong Vigor does not work on Warforged
- If a target has Spellsong Vigor (via a SS) and then gets Sustaining Song (via a different Virt) the vigor is removed
- Most songs sharing a cooldown timer. It does not make sense that Sustaining song causes inspire greatness to recharge. All songs should have their own cooldown timer.

What am I missing?

Well, I'm kind of missing playing my Bard... but until things get fixed...

(actually, I'm having fun with my cleric, but I'm watching the (lack of) progress on this... )