20 barb horc (TR dwarf barb)

[NinjaNeed]

Here is my prospective build for when I soon TR...

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Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male
(20 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 372
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 9
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    25
Dexterity            13                    16
Constitution         17                    17
Intelligence          6                     6
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 (or as early as possible)

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     9
Intimidate            2                    23
Jump                  9                    17
Swim                  5                     8

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)

However as there is no point going THF on a Barb you should be starting with a 15 dex anyway unless you have a +3 dex tome banked.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=286153&page=2

He said taking THF is useless on a barb, why? I am using 3 feats here in THF and wonder if they could be better spent somewhere else.



The reason for uneven Str and Con is simply cos I can easily pick up a +1 tome at level 1 and then hope for a +3 when I get to 20 raid completions (looted Madstone Boots on my 20th Revers so went for the only +3 tome offered, Dex), Also my guild ship only has +1 to each stat so no need to go even just yet.

I have a Min 2 GS GA hence why no imp crit. I also have (if it matters) a triple earth guard cloak and a +45hp goggles (decided Tharnes was only good for the true seeing and needed a second slot for a GS HP item (went guard first - noob).

[Nick_RC]

Regarding Consumers post : Im guessing he is saying that theres no point going 2 handed on a barb because pure fighter is significantly better 2 handed currently. 2wf 18/2 barbs are about as good as they get atm sadly.

[OldAquarian]

Regarding Consumers post : Im guessing he is saying that theres no point going 2 handed on a barb because pure fighter is significantly better 2 handed currently. 2wf 18/2 barbs are about as good as they get atm sadly.

I have seen this sentiment posted, but then most calcs just say +glancing blows and ignore them
Does anyone have a link where people included glancing blows (damage + specials)?

[NinjaNeed]

Regarding Consumers post : Im guessing he is saying that theres no point going 2 handed on a barb because pure fighter is significantly better 2 handed currently. 2wf 18/2 barbs are about as good as they get atm sadly.

I have seen this sentiment posted, but then most calcs just say +glancing blows and ignore them
Does anyone have a link where people included glancing blows (damage + specials)?

Well, I have already crafted my Green Steel Mineral 2 Great Axe so will be going with THF and not TWF. Plus I prefer the big hits as opposed to double hits (for TWF).

Any comments on me taking such high Dex? Should I maybe put 2 points in Cha to help with my intimidation? I dont expect to be able to intimi tank everything, but do find intim a very useful skill, especially when solo-ing with the (still) stupid hirelings.

[Cam_Neely]

I've been thinking of a very similar build, and I'm on the fence between 18/2 fighter and something similar to what you have (the main change is I put 2 points in Int to get a high spot as well vs the Dex)

I'm leaning towards the 18/2 because I consider stunning blow to be a requirement, in addition to what you have. Figure IC:Slashing for the second one. Those combined with the Fighter haste boost will make for higher total individual and group DPS. Hurts to miss the Capstone, and the pureness that I have loved on my first Dwarf 20 Barb.

Also, not sure why you are using the +3 Dex tome if you are going for THF. Money would be much better spend on a Con or Str tomb, unless you plan on TWF.

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Sosrey TR
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(2 Fighter / 18 Barbarian)
Hit Points: 448
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 20/20/25/3030
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 5
Will: 5

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats
(34 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Strength           20                30
Dexterity           8                 8
Constitution       18                20
Intelligence        8                10
Wisdom              8                 8
Charisma            6                 6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Balance            1              10
Bluff              -2             -2
Concentration      4              5
Diplomacy          -2             -2
Disable Device     n/a            n/a
Haggle             -2             -2
Heal               -1             -1
Hide               -1             -1
Intimidate         0              23
Jump               5              19
Listen             -1             -1
Move Silently      -1             -1
Open Lock          n/a            n/a
Perform            n/a            n/a
Repair             -1             0
Search             -1             0
Spot               1              9
Swim               5              10
Tumble             0              0
Use Magic Device   n/a            n/a
 
Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
 
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
 
Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury
 
Level 4 (Barbarian)
 
Level 5 (Barbarian)
 
Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
 
Level 7 (Barbarian)
 
Level 8 (Barbarian)
 
Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
 
Level 10 (Barbarian)
 
Level 11 (Barbarian)
 
Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
 
Level 13 (Barbarian)
 
Level 14 (Barbarian)
 
Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
 
Level 16 (Barbarian)
 
Level 17 (Barbarian)
 
Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
 
Level 19 (Barbarian)
 
Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II

[NinjaNeed]

I've been thinking of a very similar build, and I'm on the fence between 18/2 fighter and something similar to what you have (the main change is I put 2 points in Int to get a high spot as well vs the Dex)

I'm leaning towards the 18/2 because I consider stunning blow to be a requirement, in addition to what you have. Figure IC:Slashing for the second one. Those combined with the Fighter haste boost will make for higher total individual and group DPS. Hurts to miss the Capstone, and the pureness that I have loved on my first Dwarf 20 Barb.

Also, not sure why you are using the +3 Dex tome if you are going for THF. Money would be much better spend on a Con or Str tomb, unless you plan on TWF.

Thank you, the reason for the +3 tome is that I got it on my 20th Revers completion. I already had the boots (looted on 20th completion lol) and dex was the only +3 offered. A +2 Con was also offered so could have taken that, but +2's are much more common than +3's.

As for no IC, no point in having it, from what I understand (pls do correct me if I am wrong) the Keen on my Min2GA gives me the same bonus as IC. I have not thought about stunning blow or anything like that, yet!

[Cam_Neely]

Thank you, the reason for the +3 tome is that I got it on my 20th Revers completion. I already had the boots (looted on 20th completion lol) and dex was the only +3 offered. A +2 Con was also offered so could have taken that, but +2's are much more common than +3's.

As for no IC, no point in having it, from what I understand (pls do correct me if I am wrong) the Keen on my Min2GA gives me the same bonus as IC. I have not thought about stunning blow or anything like that, yet!

Ah understandable. I would def start with lower Dex (maybe 9 starting) if you have the +3 tomb in hand (and BTC i think). Besides Reflex score, which is not going to be great anyways, there really is no need for it if you are going THF.

I agree the IC is not required. I have a MinII axe now, and will be using that for a fair bit of the content, but there are a few bains (ie Elemental) or stuff immune to Acid where I will be using other stuff, and hate to give up that DPS it brings. I would allow myself to be talked out of IC, but honestly dont see anything much better.

[NinjaNeed]

Here is my updated list which includes my feats and when I want to take them. This is still a provisional list so please do make suggestions/comments.

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Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male
(20 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 452
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 9
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    29
Dexterity            13                    16
Constitution         17                    18
Intelligence          6                     6
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     9
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  1                     3
Intimidate            2                    27
Jump                  9                    19
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         1                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -2                    -2
Search               -2                    -2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  5                    10
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness IV


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Intimidation
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Might
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I

[Consumer]

He said taking THF is useless on a barb, why? I am using 3 feats here in THF and wonder if they could be better spent somewhere else.

I'll copy my post from the alt forum:

THF is fine, however your a DPS class and are deliberately taking a lower DPS option if your going THF.


You may as well say I'm going to make a DPS character, but I'm going to start with 10 base strength. It is pointless.

Also, /flex

[NinjaNeed]

I'll copy my post from the alt forum:




Also, /flex

Thanx for this, however I spent alot of time and effort making my Great Axe so plan on sticking to that