My first griefing experience

[Thargnar]

You probably find it funny when people have accidents and hurt themselve's too.

Yup. There is however a difference between slapstick comedy and a burning bus full of nuns, at least to most people.

You've just attempted to trivialize the incident again.

You missed my point, nobody was *trying* to trivialize someone getting pranked in a video game, it doesn't need to be trivialized as it is already trivial. To trivialize something that already is so would require some highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

Hazing is just another word for bullying or assault.

Sure, if you look at it in a binary on/off black/white sort of way and ignore the matter of degree completely.

I think you've made you stance on the subject quite clear.

Yep.

That's the last I'll chime in on this, judging from what you've written the possibility of you and I seeing eye to eye on anything is slim to none, and the chance of either swaying the other's opinion is even less.

[MerlinSylver]

highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

The Quantum Triviality Field theory: All possible trivialities exist simultaneously until the core situation is observed, at which point, the QTF collapses, leaving behind only a single triviality to vex the observer.

Of course, there is also the Triviality Relativity Theory as well. A situation is only as trivial as it's relative position to you.

[Irinis]

You missed my point, nobody was *trying* to trivialize someone getting pranked in a video game, it doesn't need to be trivialized as it is already trivial. To trivialize something that already is so would require some highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

The problem with "trivial" hazing in a computer game, is that often it's a screen for real bullying from people who don't know when to stop, do it to everyone, and escalate the bullying behaviour at any sign of a reaction. That's why people need to report, warn, and then move on, instead of just going "oh hey it's just a game, w/e."

People like that are proud to be bullies because they get to laugh about it with their friends. I don't know about you but I'd much rather play with people who just joke around but don't let the jokes get out of hand like that.

PS: When I was a 4th-grader, a bunch of big 6th-grader boys tried that merry-go-round trick on me. After several minutes at dizzying speed they finally stopped. I stood up and walked a straight line - out of the playground. It wasn't at school or I would have told on them despite "winning" their stupid game. I never played with them again despite being invited a few times. They respected me for winning, but I didn't respect them after what they tried to do.

[Thargnar]

The problem with "trivial" hazing in a computer game, is that often it's a screen for real bullying from people who don't know when to stop, do it to everyone, and escalate the bullying behaviour at any sign of a reaction. That's why people need to report, warn, and then move on, instead of just going "oh hey it's just a game, w/e."

I can agree with that, but there's a tendency to make mountains out of molehills that grates on my nerves. My point about the trivial nature of the incident was more directed at a commenter jumping other posters for attempts to trivialize the incident when they were basically agreeing with the OP that it sucked and even saying to report it, but not taking it seriously enough for the commenter, or god forbid finding some black humor in it even while commiserating, after all, the only jokes decent folk find funny are the ones ending with puppies and rainbows ya?

People like that are proud to be bullies because they get to laugh about it with their friends. I don't know about you but I'd much rather play with people who just joke around but don't let the jokes get out of hand like that.

Again, in general I agree with you, but what is out of hand is highly subjective from person to person. Our guild motd of "Thou shalt ding often and hilariously" has been up for quite a while, and most of us don't blink at paying the 10% xp tax when it's just us for a good belly laugh (unless it's a pretty hefty chunk of xp, the amusement has to make up for the time lost). We're on our best behavior with others of course, but amongst ourselves the more elaborate the buddyscrewing shenanigan concocted the better as long as everything comes out in the wash by quest's end.

PS: When I was a 4th-grader, a bunch of big 6th-grader boys tried that merry-go-round trick on me. After several minutes at dizzying speed they finally stopped. I stood up and walked a straight line - out of the playground. It wasn't at school or I would have told on them despite "winning" their stupid game. I never played with them again despite being invited a few times. They respected me for winning, but I didn't respect them after what they tried to do.

True, that's bullying, but you wouldn't call it assault or truly heinous. I would consider it trivial when compared to say, a group of 16 year olds talking a 9 year old into sitting on a merry-go-round while they applied a motorbike tire to the rim. One results in dizzyness and possible embarrassment, the other in quite possible gross physical injury done with intent. It's not that your example means nothing, but compared to the crud human beings do to each other on a daily basis just for kicks it is relatively harmless.

[Astraghal]

That's the last I'll chime in on this, judging from what you've written the possibility of you and I seeing eye to eye on anything is slim to none, and the chance of either swaying the other's opinion is even less.

You came along and attempted to ridicule what I posted with some inane comments then proceeded to get your @$$ handed to you on a plate.

I'd be hesitant to continue responding too if I were you.

[ChronicJay]

weeee

[TitoJ]

Cupcakes anyone? Seems like there's enough in this thread to go around.


I once dropped some noobs stone in Tear of Dhakaan, in the water right after the first shrine. It went all the way to the bottom. Now, it was good fun, and I would have gladly retrieved it, but the noob got po'd very quickly and bailed party. Seems like same sorta incident. Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed, I mean sounds a little rash in here.

[Katharra]

Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed

Here is the answer i think (quote from op) :

"I kept an eye on their LFM and noticed that another melee character had joined them and that they were doing Kobold's New Ringleader also. What was interesting was that all of them were out of the quest and he was the only one in. I sent him a tell asking if what had happened to me had also happened to him and he answered in the affirmative."

So it seems to me they would just rc after they finished dancing and leave his stone...

[markusthelion]

Cupcakes anyone? Seems like there's enough in this thread to go around.


I once dropped some noobs stone in Tear of Dhakaan, in the water right after the first shrine. It went all the way to the bottom. Now, it was good fun, and I would have gladly retrieved it, but the noob got po'd very quickly and bailed party. Seems like same sorta incident. Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed, I mean sounds a little rash in here.

Not in a pug, if you take the time to be an ***hole you probably are. Pranks on a guildie is fine as they know your probably just messing around. Pugs don't normally know each other that well, so in this case it looks bad on the pug and the character of that pugs guild. I'm not saying your an ***hole, but some people are and try to justify it after the fact.

[TitoJ]

Not in a pug, if you take the time to be an ***hole you probably are. Pranks on a guildie is fine as they know your probably just messing around. Pugs don't normally know each other that well, so in this case it looks bad on the pug and the character of that pugs guild. I'm not saying your an ***hole, but some people are and try to justify it after the fact.

So now being an ahole for the fun of it is looked down on? What else has changed since f2p? :P

[xxScoobyDooxx]

PM name and guild if you don't mind please

[Thargnar]

You came along and attempted to ridicule what I posted with some inane comments then proceeded to get your @$$ handed to you on a plate.

I'd be hesitant to continue responding too if I were you.

No mere plate could contain the magnitude of mine arse, a proper serving would require at the least a sizable and sturdy trencher. Regardless, you are correct, your masterful use of quoting the actual Oxford English Dictionary filled me with dread upon seeing the same words I had assumed you used as gross hyperbole being shown to have a completely different meaning than the one I had divined from the lesser plebeian dictionaries.

When viewed with the clarity bestowed by the mighty Oxford it turned out that the thread was riddled with apologists and trivializers whose callous and not so tacit approval of an actual assault upon another human being should fill us with horror at man's inhumanity to man. Or to elf, or whatever. I retract my earlier statement, you have shown me the error of my ways and I now see the ugly spiteful episode for the harrowing traumatic incident it truly was.

After being so thoroughly trounced with words I can feel true kinship and empathy for those who have been the victims of assault, even now I reel from the clever blows delivered by the stroke of your mighty pen, or cheeto stained keyboard, whichever.

[Geodude07]

No mere plate could contain the magnitude of mine arse, a proper serving would require at the least a sizable and sturdy trencher. Regardless, you are correct, your masterful use of quoting the actual Oxford English Dictionary filled me with dread upon seeing the same words I had assumed you used as gross hyperbole being shown to have a completely different meaning than the one I had divined from the lesser plebeian dictionaries.

When viewed with the clarity bestowed by the mighty Oxford it turned out that the thread was riddled with apologists and trivializers whose callous and not so tacit approval of an actual assault upon another human being should fill us with horror at man's inhumanity to man. Or to elf, or whatever. I retract my earlier statement, you have shown me the error of my ways and I now see the ugly spiteful episode for the harrowing traumatic incident it truly was.

After being so thoroughly trounced with words I can feel true kinship and empathy for those who have been the victims of assault, even now I reel from the clever blows delivered by the stroke of your mighty pen, or cheeto stained keyboard, whichever.

you mean like your masterful quoting of whatever dictionary it is you used proved that you were right? please

also nice job not chiming in anymore, you are clearly the bigger and better man, because you know, everyone else on the internet must have cheeto encrusted fingers and have to be fat right?

No those insults are clearly the result of a refined intelligence and not the spouting of a troll looking to stir up trouble nice job!

[Thargnar]

you mean like your masterful quoting of whatever dictionary it is you used proved that you were right? please

Nope, that was amateurish use of a lesser dictionary quoting the definitions of terms which had a perceived questionable use, quoting the same definitions from The Oxford was masterful considering the obvious complete incongruity of the meaning between the two. Alas, had I only started there as well...

also nice job not chiming in anymore, you are clearly the bigger and better man, because you know, everyone else on the internet must have cheeto encrusted fingers and have to be fat right?

Bigger man, ow, I see what you did there. But yeah, the cheeto thing was a shot in the dark, like a 1 in 10, but it's a scientific fact that only 90% of mmo forum posters are models and power brokers so I rolled the dice.

No those insults are clearly the result of a refined intelligence and not the spouting of a troll looking to stir up trouble nice job!

Aww shucks, yer makin me blush, it's only a hobby but I do try

[AMDarkwolf]

Meh.

We don't really know what happened. We have one side of the story. I have done similar things to people I found extremely annoying, or harassing in quests. They want to be an arse, fine, I'll be one back. Like I said, we don't know what happened.

Could also have just been for a few laughs, granted, I would only do something like this if I knew it wouldn't 'bork' the entire quest, and wouldn't screw them out of anything(IE: Friends. Grease in forge after the mindflayer dies, and chuckle as they fall, or drop the pillars on peoples heads after we kill the titan, tossing res's after(And sometimes dropping the pillar on my own head somehow, lol)

But if, for example, we are in titan, and one particular person decides to grab a green crystal, destroy it, grab another green crystal, etc Just to force the guy behind him to heal his way though the hall? THAT guy would have his stone dropped in the lava, or to the bottom of the pit below the flayer. We'd carry onto the next part and let him sit there, or res out(and get booted)

The story the OP presented sounds like one of the two. A harmless prank/joke(And honestly, did they all RC out and leave you there, or did YOU recall out after saying anything? What really happened?)

Just saying, Don't get all your /squelch'in on till you give the other side of the story, you don't know what really happened.

[nerdychaz]

/popcorn