Tank IT and Spank IT

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Arbiteress build
Planning Stage
Goal: Paladin Tank
Notes: Currently lv 20 fighter farming and approaching first cleansing item.
was dual khopesh build dps build but changed into tank late game and now <3 tanking.
things noticed during fighter life so far is did not have feats to reach very high hp + intimidate.
also lacking saves made tanking currently a challenge. next life i want to focus on making tank
can handle hard / epic lv 20 raids. But in same token know that also need to be able to dps to some extent.

Things to consider
In Progress of farming some of gear
Will switch between Light + Heavy gear depending on quest / raid

swap into light DT for quests raid where exposed to heavy spell casting.
swap into heavy DT for quests where exposed to constant melee damage.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(18 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 408
Spell Points: 205 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 18
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    15
Dexterity            14                    15
Constitution         16                    23
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             15                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    25
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         3                    10
Diplomacy             6                    26
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate            6                    39
Jump                  4                     8
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                n/a                  11
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Resilience


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense II
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense III
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good IV
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

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BREAK DOWN OF STATS SO FAR:
HP
+180 (18xd10 paladin)
+120 ( [(22 con-10)/2] x 20 "lv.20") [ 1 leftover con to be added with 1 exceptional con ]
+22 (1x Toughness 3+19)
+20 (Heroic Durability)
+16 (2xd8 monk)
_____
358
+30 (EP: paladin toughness)
+20 (EP: racial toughness)
____
408
+10 (Draconic Vitality)
+20 (ship buff [2*20/2])
+30 (cloak - greater elemental)
+40 (SFL - Epic Dusk Heart)
+60 (neck [6*20/2])
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568 (sub total with just gear available atm)
+20 (+1 exceptional con + 1 base)
+20 (+2 exceptional con)
+15 (con. opp. - greater elemental)
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623
+20 (Rage pot / spell)
+40 (madstone boot proc)
____
683
+20 Mino's (when not intimidating or +15 intimidate item with large gem slot)
+40 / 30 (ring+gloves lv 70/45? guild needed)
____
743 / 723

SP
205 (based on ddo character generator)
+150 (helm)
+50 (cloak)
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405 (based on gear available)

INTIMIDATE
23 (ranks)
+4 (EP: Inti)
+3 (base cha bonus)
+3 (Skill:focus)
+2 (Least Sentinel)
+2 (SotS)
+1 (EP: D. Inti.)
+1 (EP: Badger)
____
39
+15 (helm)
+3 (+6 cha ring)
+2 (cha skills cloak)
___
59 (based on gear available)
+1 (cha skills)
+3 (cha skills)
___
63 (new subtotal) should be high enough for hard Hound?
+2 (Human Versa Clicky)
+1 (ship bonus)
___
66
+4 (GH)
+1? (Inspiration)
+1 (recitation)-luck bonus
+2 (head of good fortune) - luck bonus
___
72
+2 (coin lord)** need modules hit high enough favor
+3 (Skills pot)

need more info believe paladins have spell to further increase con score?

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Pro's:
heavy intimidate should be able take hate from any class
Decent saves
High Ac
Con's:
med Str now.

prob of using intimidate is when want someone else to take agro from you e.g. shroud part 2

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OPTIMAL GEAR SECTIOn
Need input for this section

Helm: +15(intimi) / Minos
Goggles:Tharnes 
Cloak: MIN II (+1 con skills +10hp)(+2 cha skills +50sp)(+3 con skills +20hp)[clicky:stoneskin][+5prot, heavy fort]
Boots: Madstone / FF / anchors
Gloves: spectrals -------------------------------------->***[Epic Spectrals (Eth, +7 dex, +4 attack, yellow)]
Waist: (19 spelll resist, PaP) /  (+30 gfl, PaP)------------>***Conc. Opp. (+1 cha. skill +wiz)(+2 str. skills +15 hp)(+3 cha skills +sp)
Wrist:  ------------------------------------------------>***Leviks wrist (20% healing amp, +6 str)                  
Neck:  Stalwart Necklace (+LaBE, +6con +15% incite)
Ring 1: Cinder Band (+6 str +1 e. con)->(+2e. con)]
Ring 2:     --------------------------------------------->***[Circle of Hatred - will not need +15 intimi helm once acquired]
Trinket: Head of Good Fortune     ----------------------->*** Epic Dusk Heart (+40hp, 10%concal)(colorless)(yellow)
ARMOR: DT (+10% healing amp)(+?)(leviks-[2: (+3 i. AC, +20% threat) 3: (+5 i. AC +30% threat)] )
***dont have yet

Armor('s):
Elocator's Habiliment
Full Plate of the Defender
Nightforge Plate Shield('s):
DT armor

Shields('s):
Shield of Reflecting
Levik's Defender
+5 Deathblock Heavy shield

Weapons('s):
Min I khopesh's x2
smiters/para/vorpal/etc
thinking of making sunburst maul or triple pos maul

and (+10% healing amp)(+20% healing amp) khopesh for self healing

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References / Useful Links

NO Fail Intimidate Reference

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do not have monk yet so might switch out mnk with rogue go heavy umd wich would be fine since im pretty good at puzzles =]

[elraido]

Confused as to how a triple pos sword gives you 20 hp.

[Eladiun]

A couple things:

1) Do you actually ever plan on hitting anything? More strength this build is unworkable and gimped as it stands. Pure board tanks are useless.

2) Drop Wisdom to 8.

3) Read these...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=218542

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=135360

4) You want the paly capstone

5) Two toughness feats is a waste.

6) 607 (if i make 2 GS items) ???? - they don't stack

...that's just a start. There are a lot of issues here.

[Link_omega]

triple pos sword :
(+10% healing amp)(either 20% healing amp / goodburst)(+2 exceptional CON)
con on weapon is not to skills but addition to base stats thats how u get +20 hp from triple pos sword.

Many variations can go with this seems to be best for trip pos.

Could be wrong but you pretty much attacked(flamed) my thread without giving anything i did not already read through or given any criticism could improve my thread. As I am called for tanking and requested to tank with my character atm on regular basis im trying make for character that can take beating and still be fun for me to play. What benefit is there to pally capstone for a tank?

As stated in other threads the purpose of taking on fighter lvl is for feats for feat starved class. i chose 1 fighter not only for tower shield feat but to access its bonus feat so thats rightly justified. contemplating second class or if i should go 2 fighter second fighter does not look suitable for what i need atm. already stated i need adjust str might take what u said apply points from wis to str but like to know why.
How is 2 toughness feats a waste? need 2 access AP for toughness. not mention need get 600-700 or more with current content. so any toughness feat is more than welcome.

hmm dropping fighter/mnk go for 2 rogue lvls also looks like it make for suitable use with evasion. would have to make adjustments and +2 int tome at lv 7 prior to rogue lvls. would have to redo things.
also read those post before find some information in them are bit outdated need revising.

[elraido]

+2 exceptional constitution from triple pos sword

Still confused as to where you are getting that.

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+2 to con = +1 bonus x 20(levels) = +20 hp

[Nyvn]

You plan on keeping Agro with Intimidate?

How are you planning to mitigate incoming damage?

How are you going to contribute in fights where a tank isn't beneficial?

[elraido]

+2 to con = +1 bonus x 20(levels) = +20 hp

A triple pos sword shouldn't give you exceptional con.

You get
holy
good burst
good blast
greater disruption
raise dead clicky.

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you overlooked some minor details:

http://perfectweb.org/ddo/crafting/base_crafting.php

possible options for T3 on weapon are as follows:

Superior devotion,
Good Blast,
Exceptional Charisma +2,
Exceptional Constitution +2,<- what i was aiming for...
+4 AC(insight bonus),
30% healing amp

only reason is because i do not have another piece of gear provides +2 exceptional bonus if i did then this would be useless
and in that case either healing amp or +4 ac bonus would appear to be most sought after.

[elraido]

you overlooked some minor details:

http://perfectweb.org/ddo/crafting/base_crafting.php

possible options for T3 on weapon are as follows:

Superior devotion,
Good Blast,
Exceptional Charisma +2,
Exceptional Constitution +2,<- what i was aiming for...
+4 AC(insight bonus),
30% healing amp

only reason is because i do not have another piece of gear provides +2 exceptional bonus if i did then this would be useless
and in that case either healing amp or +4 ac bonus would appear to be most sought after.

That is a horrible horrible idea to be putting stat points onto a weapon. Especially one like that, where it would severely limit your dps. You can always get exceptional on a ToD ring. Keep a weapon as a weapon, don't make it an extra gear slot.

[Nyvn]

That is a horrible horrible idea to be putting stat points onto a weapon. Especially one like that, where it would severely limit your dps. You can always get exceptional on a ToD ring. Keep a weapon as a weapon, don't make it an extra gear slot.

DPS? Have you actually looked at the build? Shield blocking and hitting intimidate is going to limit his DPS.

[Eladiun]

Could be wrong but you pretty much attacked(flamed) my thread without giving anything i did not already read through or given any criticism could improve my thread. As I am called for tanking and requested to tank with my character atm on regular basis im trying make for character that can take beating and still be fun for me to play. What benefit is there to pally capstone for a tank?

As stated in other threads the purpose of taking on fighter lvl is for feats for feat starved class. i chose 1 fighter not only for tower shield feat but to access its bonus feat so thats rightly justified. contemplating second class or if i should go 2 fighter second fighter does not look suitable for what i need atm. already stated i need adjust str might take what u said apply points from wis to str but like to know why.
How is 2 toughness feats a waste? need 2 access AP for toughness. not mention need get 600-700 or more with current content. so any toughness feat is more than welcome.

hmm dropping fighter/mnk go for 2 rogue lvls also looks like it make for suitable use with evasion. would have to make adjustments and +2 int tome at lv 7 prior to rogue lvls. would have to redo things.
also read those post before find some information in them are bit outdated need revising.

No, I read your build, processed it, and gave you feed back. It is useless. You will be of no use to any party in any content. Period. DDO doesn't have tanks. They do not exist. They are a myth.

You do not roll a melee character with a 9 strength. Period.

When someone says they need a tank, they generally mean a character with a ton of hit points who can hold agro generally through solid to superior dps. They are not looking for a turtle who will be useless for 95% of the time. You want a high AC paladin. Look at this build...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214423

...it has a feat setup that allows for high DPS and it can turtle for AC when necessary.

How is a second toughness feat a waste? The extra 23 hit points is not worth the sacrifice in other areas you have a very limited number of feats on this build. If you are going to have AC you won't be getting hit much anyway the 23 HP won't make or break you.

Rather than fighter or rogue go 2 monk for evasion.

This build is as it stands is not going to contribute in any meaningful way to any party. The truth hurts I know...AC is broken in this game. Pure sword and board is broken worse.

If you just want a high HP and intimidate tank build a Warforged Barbarian...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

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Nyvn - TY finally someone read my build figured out what ill be doing alot.

as for eladium you are doing nothing but repeating yourself and giving out negative feedback wich doesnt really help much if i want to be turtle type tank then thats what im going to make. I am not making dps i need enough dps when im not turtleing with incite enhance etc to outweigh other non-tanks that way as already stated those non-tanks get full flanking bonus. ty. now if find way for me to maximize hp intimidate and saves that would prove to be far more valuable to me atm. only useful info was that mention taking 2 monks for evasion k but need back that up evasion useless if you are using plate since can only use it when you are wearing light armor.

[Eladiun]

Nyvn - TY finally someone read my build figured out what ill be doing alot.

as for eladium you are doing nothing but repeating yourself and giving out negative feedback wich doesnt really help much if i want to be turtle type tank then thats what im going to make. I am not making dps i need enough dps when im not turtleing with incite enhance etc to outweigh other non-tanks that way as already stated those non-tanks get full flanking bonus. ty. now if find way for me to maximize hp intimidate and saves that would prove to be far more valuable to me atm. only useful info was that mention taking 2 monks for evasion k but need back that up evasion useless if you are using plate since can only use it when you are wearing light armor.

Why would you be wearing plate? You can go light have evasion and get the full wisdom and dex bonuses. Good luck with the can't hit anything and can't damage anything build.

FYI no one needs the flanking bonus. This isn't WoW tanks are useless. I'm trying to do you a favor before you find your fail toon on everyone's dnp because you turtle up and do no damage. What are you going to do in the shroud? Intimidate portals into returning to Shavarath. Intimidate Harry see how well that works. There are like 3 quests where Turtle and Intim is even useful.

PS: Nyvn wasn't trying to be helpful. Reroll your sarcasm check. Shield blocking and intimidating is not a valid play style.

[Nyvn]

Nyvn - TY finally someone read my build figured out what ill be doing alot.

Everyone gets what you want to do, I was asking leading questions to see if you realized what you were doing. Pigeon holing your character into a role that is only useful in a handful of situations.

Have you tried out this play style yet? Use the equip you're farming for your TR on your current build.

As I asked earlier how do you plan to contribute in situations where a turtle isn't needed?

It's generally better to lead someone to a conclusion than try and force them to it. One might work and the other will just make them defensive.