expectations of a rogue for epics

[Hokonoso]

lot a good stuff in this thread, got a good laugh or two!

Meh

People have told me not to waste a sigil or relics flagging for raids on a tr. But you get lots of xp gathering a new sigil and reilics. Besides, after 1 flagging you can usually get most of the second sigil while trying to get that last piece you need.

never skip litany flagging on a tr or any toon. those quests give such good xp that you can do them to gain the sigil piece and not get any extra pieces and turn them in and still be fine next life as you do it again! i always have a completed sigil while STILL farming those quests for xp on all my trs, i used to bank pieces but find it completely unnecessary as the xp is too good, you can skip gh and vale on single trs with necro 4 farming (double trs still need to hit the boring quests tho).

with that said, playstyle is a huge factor to the OP, 350hp is fine if you are amazing and keeping yourself alive. you wont get 1 shot with 350hp (base, not buffed) so as long as you run away when you are hit with a big spell and umd heal up, you will die less than the 800hp barbarian every time cause he has no evasion and cant umd heal scrolls.

also monks are front line melee, mine can reach 721hp and tank everything in the game as a human (not wf or dorf) so potential is much higher for those races. highest hp goes barb > fighter > monk simply cause fighters and monks get so many extra feats and those 22hp toughnesses add up. paladins can never reach monk hp so id def put monk at front line melee if built right. /endderail

also to the OP, your caster is more important than your healer. a good caster makes sure the cleric ends each shrining sessions with 80% or more sp (if healbot of course) cause a good caster cc's EVERYTHING! before the melee even gets near it or can get hit from it. so make good friends with good casters and your epic life will be a breeze. Also, a great healer will keep you alive with 250hp as well cause there are some good healers out there that can keep any squishy rogue up! so make some friends and epic with them.

[neclon]

4.5 GS Heavy Pick
5 weapon modifier
15 str (40 str)
5 PA
2 hobgoblin
2 Shintao
9 Bard
1 Prayer
= 43.5 damage

Compare this to the Blitz (also has 4 extra haste boosts) (1552.01 DPS):

4.5 GS Heavy Pick
5 weapon modifier
28 str (66 str)
10 PA
2 hobgoblin
2 Shintao
4 claw set
9 Bard
1 Prayer
1 mastery
2 kensei
4 specialization
= 72.5 damage

I'd like to see this fleshed out more, but I don't know enough about game math to do it correctly. What your numbers show is on main hand attacks after adding full sneak attack the rogue is behind by about ~36.5 pts per hit? Why isnt the rogue able to use the claw set, too?

How does it work out with off hand attacks, full sneak, and tempest and any other things that are a part of the blitz build (does it have any fighter flanking dmg or something like that to balance out rogue +12 to flanking and halfling +8). You can cary a lot of things with 5 charges of DP and rogue can UMD them so when it counts the rogue can have the same BAB most of the time (minus the time to actually click it during long fights).

And the question remains: is this blitz build the top dps build? Or an average dps build? If rogue is not too far behind blitz it seems like they're far from being way behind every other melee... in non-autocrit am I at least probably in the top tier dps?

P.s. and is dpsing trash that can be held really the important part of the fight? Isn't dps on the boss generally just as, or more important?