Update 8 No-no!

[Wren666]

So you really think that the OP is a good quality suggestion?

Really?

Seriously?

I never said that anywhere. Anyone with INT 1 can see that the OP (post, not poster) isn't meant to be taken seriously to begin with.

My posts in this thread have little to do with the OP (sorry for any derailing but this didn't warrant a thread on it's own) I just find it hard to believe the knee-jerk reaction of "NUUUUUUUUUU DONT EVEN MENTION PVP!!!!! YUU WANT TO KEEL PVE!!!!!!!" that's mandatory around here.

Hint: Suggesting any improvement in PvP does not imply a desire of "ruining" PvE.

Please, by all means, do offer compromises on how to accommodate better PvP without affecting PvE, but do not just go around telling fellow paying customers to stop liking what they enjoy, or to leave the community because of that, over and over.


EDIT: This other thread: Segregation of PvP Pits by Level has been and will be my only suggestion regarding improvement in PvP, and has no bearing upon PvE.

[Ghoste]

Finally. It takes too much time between when you are able to neg rep someone a second time.

[Aussir]

bla bla bla

<blurb, bla bla> PvP is a BIG incentive to switch to VIP for F2P players <bla bla bla>

That's all...

[Asketes]

They had better seriously nerf rangers and give me an awesome sorcerer PRE or I'm going to contact the BBB. lol @ u, try it.




Suggestion: Stop making PvP yes

^^

[h4x0r1f1c]

lol

Hey remember me? I'm the dude who was in the sky in House K when you were trying to win a Bloodstone.

[AndyD47]

I won't, um, derail an otherwise focused thread, but I was just remembering what it was like first building rams, splitting parts amongst your group, building it under fire..using that first ballista in PvE (which got changed, of course)...the first trebuchet not knowing where the hell to get ammo for it...those things were fun...being down in Darkness Falls when another realm took access, trying to squeeze as much xp as possible before getting rolled en mass...though then there was all that grinding to have a GM of each craft..bleh..I don't want to see another sewing kit anytime soon.

and Hax...you get a KILL COUNT and you get REALM POINTS for GANKING in DAoC.

I played an infiltrator like a merc for a long while,maxed critical strikes and slash,then I ended up just rolling a merc when I wanted to beat on things proper.

So I felt bad about kinda abandoning my first character, ended up getting enough lifter to basically carry a ram between me/2 other guys(if we needed ammo for something) tops...started putting artillery in awkward places and putting rams on both doors was always neat when it worked out.

If you go from DDO to DAoC you'd probably do pretty good at managing all the new clickies they got going on there.

On a side note,you want to see screaming about Nerfs?
Ask anybody that use to play about beserkers/left axe in general, I never minded myself but that was classic hate right there.

Edit:Used the word and 4 times in a single sentence,how's that for proper grammar?

[Memnir]

These threads are a lot more entertaining since I put h4x on my Ignore list. I know he posted something - and then I get to try to puzzle together just what about PvP is overpowered now (well, figure out how this most recent post somehow will relate back to Slayer Arrows, at any rate)

Turns out not reading his posts is even more fun then being subjected to them.

[Cernunan]

These threads are a lot more entertaining since I put h4x on my Ignore list. I know he posted something - and then I get to try to puzzle together just what about PvP is overpowered now (well, figure out how this most recent post somehow will relate back to Slayer Arrows, at any rate)

Turns out not reading his posts is even more fun then being subjected to them.

It's like a game of internet charades where you already know a handful of the words but have to puzzle out the solution

........slayer arrows!.......

........nurf!!.....

..... ion stones!.....

.......drow?? how does that fit???........

He wants to.... ban... drow because, umm, they speak chinese!!!
(thought I forgot about that one, didn't you)

[ballsz]

Hey remember me? I'm the dude who was in the sky in House K when you were trying to win a Bloodstone.

Ya I remember, cracked me up lol.

[phalaeo]

People aren't PvPing in Durks Got a Secret. People aren't PvPing in the Shroud. People aren't PvPing in explorer areas.

Kormor's Belting your friends, making them dance and die in Epics is totally PvP. Once they see a random Stalwart Pact or Water Breathing pop up, the only thing that can stop me is Monk/Barb run speed.

Nerf Monk/Barb run speed!

[PopeJual]

My posts in this thread have little to do with the OP (sorry for any derailing but this didn't warrant a thread on it's own) I just find it hard to believe the knee-jerk reaction of "NUUUUUUUUUU DONT EVEN MENTION PVP!!!!! YUU WANT TO KEEL PVE!!!!!!!" that's mandatory around here.

Hint: Suggesting any improvement in PvP does not imply a desire of "ruining" PvE.

I agree 100% with your hint. H4x0r1f1c does not want to ruin PvE.


Unfortunately, his understanding of PvE is limited enough and his selfishness in PvP is great enough that the suggestions that he consistantly puts forward would end up screwing up PvE if they were implimented even though that isn't his intent.

A few classes and abilities (and one race now) are better than average in PvP even though they are significantly weaker than most in PvE under most circumstances. H4x wants to weaken them even more than they already are when they should be strengthened for the 95+% of the game that people actually play. Even without this, it's important to understand that DDO is balanced for PvE. If you strengthen or weaken something across the entire game in an effort to balance PvP, you're going to be changing the balance of PvE as well. It's entirely possible that a change made for the sake of PvP could improve PvE, but that would be just a coincidence and I'd rather not rely on luck to improve the game when the designers make changes. We might not like every nerf or buff that takes place in the game, but at least it's being done with the active intent of improving game balance for PvE.


H4x doesn't want to ruin PvE. That's just an unintended side effect of his desires. No one wants H4x to leave the community just because he likes PvP, but he is actively working to hurt the game that we all love (even though he doesn't realize it) and he might be more happy in a game that is actively balanced for PvP.

[phalaeo]

These threads are a lot more entertaining since I put h4x on my Ignore list. I know he posted something - and then I get to try to puzzle together just what about PvP is overpowered now (well, figure out how this most recent post somehow will relate back to Slayer Arrows, at any rate)

Turns out not reading his posts is even more fun then being subjected to them.

I know, right?

I woke up to this thread and it's like my Sunday morning crossword puzzle, but with punchlines!

[CrimsonEagle]

Hint: Suggesting any improvement in PvP does not imply a desire of "ruining" PvE.

Please, by all means, do offer compromises on how to accommodate better PvP without affecting PvE, but do not just go around telling fellow paying customers to stop liking what they enjoy, or to leave the community because of that, over and over.


EDIT: This other thread: Segregation of PvP Pits by Level has been and will be my only suggestion regarding improvement in PvP, and has no bearing upon PvE.

To what ends?

You are right. Your suggestion will have no bearing upon PVE, just as another suggestion I read about just moving the PVP pits up to the ships (then you could invite only who you wanted) would not have any bearing upon PVE.

Would this make the OP happy? No. Every time that he posts for PVP, it is in regards to nerfing something because it kills him repeatedly, and this would in fact affect PVE.

What happens when someone comes in and complains that they should be able to get an item from someone who has just been slain? Should they accommodate this also? I mean really, what is the point of PVP other than to kill a little time between quests,(this is why it was introduced) or used as a measurement of ones Epeen......."I are the greatest", there is no point at all of PVP in this game.

To MOST, it is a pointless way to pass time and in no way predicts how well their characters perform in PVE (which is what this game revolves around).

The OP seems to consistently ignore how well his character performs, (or should be able to perform) in quests in light of the fact that a build that would have a hard time accomplishing the same feats he is, (or should be) capable of in quest is killing him in PVP. This makes that character, (or item) OP in his estimation and should be weakened.

He ignores the fact that he can go in and clear a quest, end to end with only minimal effort and instead desires to weaken a character who is already suboptimal (in comparison) because something that was added as an afterthought. The game was and is based on PVE, and should remain so.

Your suggestion for PVP seems to be, and is in fact harmless in and of itself to the PVE system which is in place. Would that one change make you happy with the PVP system or would you eventually desire more?

How about the OP? Would your change which does not affect PVE make him happy? No, it would not. Looking at his posting history we know this for a fact. Should we as the majority who are happy with the PVE system which is in place just remain silent as requests to nerf something which is NOT overpowered in PVE because on PVP it kills him or prevents him from killing them? THIS IS WHERE THE MAJORITY HAS THE PROBLEM! Once again, the game is based on PVE. PVP should not even be taken into consideration where balance is concerned.

What should they focus on for PVP? Should they make an outdoor area for this? Should they allow looting of corpses? Should they put quest in these PVP outdoor areas? Should anyone who enters into these areas do so at risk to themselves whether they want to PVP or not?

Yes, an exaggeration perhaps, but the more given the more that will be asked for, and as has been repeated over, and over, and over again, there are other games out there that already have these elements having PVP as a core element of their game play.

DDO, does not, nor was it ever intended to have this. When they did add PVP, it (again) was as an afterthought, with the core mechanics based on PVE all ready pretty much already built in.

The majority of the players are content with keeping it this way. Continue to develop and expand upon the core. Focus on better AI and content, ignore what this game was not based upon.

Me personally, I would have no problem with your request in regards to PVP. I personally feel that PVP is a useless addition to the game, but I realize that there is a subculture that enjoys it, so little things which do not affect what this game is based on do not bother me.

I do however have a problem with the OP's constant crying for changes that would affect PVE. This is attempting to balance not the core of the game, but the afterthought added.

Are the people that are demanding that the Dev's not do anything with PVP acting an in an extremist nature?

I honestly dont know how to feel about this because I would have to question at what point would be the line be crossed? Is it better to just ignore the afterthought altogether?

This seems to be the consensus with only a small minority disagreeing.

Who do you think the Devs are going to listen to? Are they going to risk ****ing off the majority? I would think not, but they have done some strange things so who knows.

[flynnjsw]

These threads are a lot more entertaining since I put h4x on my Ignore list. I know he posted something - and then I get to try to puzzle together just what about PvP is overpowered now (well, figure out how this most recent post somehow will relate back to Slayer Arrows, at any rate)

Turns out not reading his posts is even more fun then being subjected to them.

It's like a game of internet charades where you already know a handful of the words but have to puzzle out the solution

........slayer arrows!.......

........nurf!!.....

..... ion stones!.....

.......drow?? how does that fit???........

He wants to.... ban... drow because, umm, they speak chinese!!!
(thought I forgot about that one, didn't you)

I know, right?

I woke up to this thread and it's like my Sunday morning crossword puzzle, but with punchlines!

It is much more entertaining that anything he could actually say.

[nanobot1994]

Caster lvl 18 with +2 to spell pen via enhancements which makes my spell pen 20. I'd have to roll an 11 after Update 8.

Maybe one of the perks to the Sorcerer PrE if they ever make it could be bypassing all SR!

Oh god....

Just so no one gets me confused for this guy. Hes Dispel I'm Arecane. Saying this because his lv and spell are exactly mine, cept I don't make a fail thread a day...

Seriously, H4X. Just quit talking about pvp, if its removed, you killed it for everyone whos perfectly fine with pvp as it is.

[Hendrik]

I actually watch Fox News and I like it.

Well, that explains everything then.

[flynnjsw]

Well, that explains everything then.

Oh not another one

[Hendrik]

Oh not another one

Yep.

An intelligent Independent that can see the King of BS for what it is.

[flynnjsw]

Yep.

An intelligent Independent that can see the King of BS for what it is.

Oh, so you mean ALL of the top 3; well that's good then

[Stormanne]

Oh, so you mean ALL of the top 3; well that's good then

I do when I think about it. If I want honest, unbiased news about the good ole' USA, I watch BBC World Service.