Epic Scroll - Interactive Distribution Mechanics (IDM)

[Asketes]

I understand they are trying to create a better system, but what has been suggested is equivalent to shooting a nuclear warhead at at a plane experiencing complete engine failure.


Why not create some sort of auto-collection system:

1) A killed epic mob drops a scroll
2) A party-wide (similar to world/server wide) notice is given
"The Scroll of the Epic Staff of Inner Sight has dropped."
3) The scrolls are kept out of the party's inventory
4) When the quest completes or every party member is dead, a screen pops up that allows people to roll on the scrolls they have interest in.
5) Players select rules for the roll..

• ie: d100, a 1 automatically wins, otherwise closest to 100 wins.

6) The window must be allowed to be brought up again if accidentally closed.
7) The winners of each roll then have the appropriate scroll deposited into their inventory, regardless of them being dead or alive.




I can see this being a little tough to implement for dead party members, OR the learning curve of NOT recalling out immediately after quest completion...JUST like everything else in this game, once it becomes standardized it becomes second nature. I could see some type of tutorial maybe? (idk about the tutorial /lame?)



Thanks for reading

[Impaqt]

Not sure wht they cant incorporate Lotro's Mechanic.

you get a Pop up thats says "ITEM XXX, Roll or Pass"

Click Roll, after a few seconds, the game rolls and deposits the Item in the winners Inventory.

[Dulcimerist]

Not sure wht they cant incorporate Lotro's Mechanic.

you get a Pop up thats says "ITEM XXX, Roll or Pass"

Click Roll, after a few seconds, the game rolls and deposits the Item in the winners Inventory.

This is also how it works in the Saga MMO, and I would love to also see it in DDO.

[Eladiun]

This is also how it works in the Saga MMO, and I would love to also see it in DDO.

This is how it works in 90% of the MMO's ever.

In a game like DDO where almost nothing is class/race restricted most people would roll on anything anyway, so they already implemented that with this change, lol.

If the person who gets the scroll would have passed, they can ask people who want it to roll d100.

This assumes all players are greedy.

[dunklezhan]

This is how it works in 90% of the MMO's ever.

Well there you go then, that's why its a bad idea. WoW has this system. And since WoW has it, its automatically bad for DDO. At least, that's the reaction you generally get if you post anything here that suggests an idea used in that game might be good here. Its like a gut reaction: what? WoW has this? Must be for noobs, no moar eezie button, noob!

/sigh.

I quite like the suggestion that all the scrolls are just logged as the run progresses for everyone to roll on at the end, you still have the problem that someone who DC's half way through due to no fault of their own loses out. Better to just have it flag up, get people to select need or greed, and let the system roll for you based on that. No-one picks need, the people who just wanted it for auctioning or handing down get a chance. 'But everyone will pick need!' is possibly true in some groups. And that will lead to blacklisting just like ninja looting does now. So no difference in 'dishonest' groups, and an equal shot in honest ones that means you don't have to stand around the drop wasting time.

Sounds fine to me. The chests already sort your loot for you anyways. I don't even check to see what other people got, I just click 'loot all' and move on, unless a flag jumps up saying 'this will bind it to you' - then I check, since I can't broker or AH it anyway if its not good to me. If its useless, I put that up for roll.

I think this auto-loot system is fine. Obviously lots of people disagree. I don't see how a compromise can be reached, really.

[Cyr]

This assumes all players are greedy.

Where is the greed involved in having the base assumption that everyone will want something that is of value and can be freely given away or traded? There is no harm here in the system the developers set up as if someone gets the scroll they can merely give it away or call for a roll just like now.

There is however a big downside to the LOTRO style pass/roll system and that is spammy boxes that pop up at just the wrong time interferring with game play. I played LOTRO and I've played DDO and the LOTRO loot mechanic was annoying to the extreme, but due to the large amount of class restricted loot in the game and huge amount bound loot needed.

[bryanmeerkat]

If one person acts from a postion of greed and 5 people use need/greed truthfully then the one person acting from greed gets more than his fair share .

If six people truly use need/greed then everyone gets an equal share.

If six people truly act using greedy tendancys everyone gets an equal share.

Which of the two above mindsets can you be sure is occuring ?
There is no easy way to be sure someone isnt lying when they call need.
There is a very easy way to see if someone is telling the truth when they say greed .

As the items are equally valuable to everyone in the party using any system to define need is flawed .
Everyone has need of an item that is an obvious upgrade or an item that can quickly be traded to become an equally obvious upgrade .

And another example of a flaw in your system is the 18/2 fighter cleric

Does he need that uber fighter equipment ?
Does he need that uber cleric equipment ?

If you answer no to either no.1 or no .2 then his opinion may differ to yours . This will cause conflict.
If you answer yes to both of these he has now effectively got twice the chance of getting a good item as he can roll both times compared to a standard cleric or standard fighter who only gets to roll once .

What about an item that is awesome for a rogue , but quite good for a fighter ? Who gets to decide who rolls then ? Maybe the guy whos group it is ? Maybe he rules in favour of his guild/partner or friend ?

[Asketes]

Not sure wht they cant incorporate Lotro's Mechanic.

you get a Pop up thats says "ITEM XXX, Roll or Pass"

Click Roll, after a few seconds, the game rolls and deposits the Item in the winners Inventory.

oh hell, don't tell me this... why can't they do this then?

[Chelsa]

Theoretically, the game is using the LOTRO Mechanic, it just doesn't give you the Roll or Pass option. However, since the items can be traded or sold, why would anybody not always click the Role option anyhow.

Yes, I know, my argument is really a technicality.

[Auran82]

Theoretically, the game is using the LOTRO Mechanic, it just doesn't give you the Roll or Pass option. However, since the items can be traded or sold, why would anybody not always click the Role option anyhow.

Yes, I know, my argument is really a technicality.

Because you know there are going to be situations like the following:

*newer wizard has received the Scroll of the Marilith Chain*
Barbarian: OMG I NEEDZ THAT SCROLL MORE THAN YOU GIVE ME IT OR YOU ARE BLACKLISTED
Later...
*Barbarian has received the Scroll of the Greenblade*
Wizard: Can I roll on that?
Barbarian: No I have an alt who needs it.

[MeliCat]

Because you know there are going to be situations like the following:

*newer wizard has received the Scroll of the Marilith Chain*
Barbarian: OMG I NEEDZ THAT SCROLL MORE THAN YOU GIVE ME IT OR YOU ARE BLACKLISTED
Later...
*Barbarian has received the Scroll of the Greenblade*
Wizard: Can I roll on that?
Barbarian: No I have an alt who needs it.

yay... you've expressed what i've been thinking so much more clearly

[FluffyCalico]

Because you know there are going to be situations like the following:

*newer wizard has received the Scroll of the Marilith Chain*
Barbarian: OMG I NEEDZ THAT SCROLL MORE THAN YOU GIVE ME IT OR YOU ARE BLACKLISTED
Later...
*Barbarian has received the Scroll of the Greenblade*
Wizard: Can I roll on that?
Barbarian: No I have an alt who needs it.

Most the people I run with a need roll means in about 5 min you will be linking the crafted item in chat. Anything else is a greed roll. Meaning if its your last thing needed to craft then take it and craft. If not then don't complain someone else got it since you can't use it yet either.

[Auran82]

Not sure wht they cant incorporate Lotro's Mechanic.

you get a Pop up thats says "ITEM XXX, Roll or Pass"

Click Roll, after a few seconds, the game rolls and deposits the Item in the winners Inventory.

In a game like DDO where almost nothing is class/race restricted most people would roll on anything anyway, so they already implemented that with this change, lol.

If the person who gets the scroll would have passed, they can ask people who want it to roll d100.

[Narmolanya]

Not sure wht they cant incorporate Lotro's Mechanic.

you get a Pop up thats says "ITEM XXX, Roll or Pass"

Click Roll, after a few seconds, the game rolls and deposits the Item in the winners Inventory.

This is the way it should be and I see no reason it isn't.

[kernal42]

I understand they are trying to create a better system, but what has been suggested is equivalent to shooting a nuclear warhead at at a plane experiencing complete engine failure.

Do you think your hyperbole might be, perhaps, absurd to the point of meaninglessness??

Why not create some sort of auto-collection system:

Because the current system is clearer, quicker, easier, and no worse than what you describe.

If your party wants to, arrange to re-roll on all scrolls based on need.
Or, you can just let the system work as it does now, with people greedily taking whatever unbound loot drops for them to sell/trade/use later.

Cheers,
Kernal

[butlerfamilywa]

This system will work, if the raid leader establishes that all scrolls will be rolled upon.

If someone in the party devates from this course, once it has been stipulated before the raid starts, then have everyone in the party file a grief report on said person *now that it clearly states who refused to follow the rule, IE: person who got the scroll*, and watch them be banned. As well as being removed from any further runs.

[Chelsa]

I want nobody controlling my loot, period. Despised DKP.

[butlerfamilywa]

The whole thing still to this day, revolves around the honor system. The most functional parties that I have ran Epic in.. have had the party leader loot all scrolls, and then its a full party roll at the end of the quest.

Works great, and no one complains.

Until you get an idiot who does not follow the honor system, but then again, they don't group with us for long.

[Angelus_dead]

This system will work, if the raid leader establishes that all scrolls will be rolled upon.

It's not up to the party leader.

Newsflash: The developers just established that all scrolls will be rolled upon. That's what the change is.

If someone in the party devates from this course, once it has been stipulated before the raid starts, then have everyone in the party file a grief report on said person *now that it clearly states who refused to follow the rule, IE: person who got the scroll*, and watch them be banned.

That does not make sense.

[tgun]

I dont understand why they dont just do it like all other bags that drop. A bag drops for everyone to click on, when you click on it you have a 1%( or whatever chance is deemed appropriate) to get a scroll. Problem solved.