Epic Scroll - Interactive Distribution Mechanics (IDM)

[FluffyCalico]

Because you know there are going to be situations like the following:

*newer wizard has received the Scroll of the Marilith Chain*
Barbarian: OMG I NEEDZ THAT SCROLL MORE THAN YOU GIVE ME IT OR YOU ARE BLACKLISTED
Later...
*Barbarian has received the Scroll of the Greenblade*
Wizard: Can I roll on that?
Barbarian: No I have an alt who needs it.

Most the people I run with a need roll means in about 5 min you will be linking the crafted item in chat. Anything else is a greed roll. Meaning if its your last thing needed to craft then take it and craft. If not then don't complain someone else got it since you can't use it yet either.

[MeliCat]

Most the people I run with a need roll means in about 5 min you will be linking the crafted item in chat. Anything else is a greed roll. Meaning if its your last thing needed to craft then take it and craft. If not then don't complain someone else got it since you can't use it yet either.

But in the example that Auran just gave it's the bullying pressure put on newer or gentler players which is just really unpleasant.

Also, what if you're on your cleric and the Marilth chain scroll drops for your barb which is on your other account? And particularly for something like the Marilth chain which is a highly desired scroll as opposed to something more niche then is it fair to pressure a newer player that may not have done as many epics as you but knows that this is a good item that they will indeed look forward to making one day when they have all the other bits?

So far the people I've seen complain the loudest and the people who are doing really well out of epics at the moment tyvm (either through pressure tactics or just sheer volumes of epics they have the opportunities to run) and they see in this change only a lessening of what they are going to get. But for some of the quieter and newer people this is a real boon.

Why don't you push for a slight increase in scroll drops instead to offset this? Instead of assuming that scrolls that drop in people's inv you are going to bully into swapping/rolling/trading for?

[FluffyCalico]

and they see in this change only a lessening of what they are going to get. ?

Nope they see everyone having 50 epic scrolls in their bags they don't need to use as cash just like people do with shroud scales. And the AH becomming the main source of scrolls instead of the quests you do them in. Scrolls going to the AH and collecting dusts in peoples bags is not a good change. And that is the only change that is comming.

[MeliCat]

Nope they see everyone having 50 epic scrolls in their bags they don't need to use as cash just like people do with shroud scales. And the AH becomming the main source of scrolls instead of the quests you do them in. Scrolls going to the AH and collecting dusts in peoples bags is not a good change. And that is the only change that is comming.

Yes well for some quieter or newer people this is the ONLY way they get scrolls. And this is true right now for them.

And obviously they have to have done the quests in order to get the shards or seals.

[kernal42]

Nope they see everyone having 50 epic scrolls in their bags they don't need to use as cash just like people do with shroud scales. And the AH becomming the main source of scrolls instead of the quests you do them in.

Yes, just the way the AH is the main source of large scales, rather than running Shroud? Your statement is inconsistent with reality.

Scrolls going to the AH and collecting dusts in peoples bags is not a good change. And that is the only change that is comming.

Here your statements are inconsistent with themselves: You suggest that epic scrolls will become a currency (and indicate that it is a bad thing), and you also suggest that the scrolls will sit, unused, in people's bags. These two statements are logically inconsistent.

As far as I can tell, there's no real reason to, when dealing with unbound loot, roll on "need" rather than "greed", except to scam players with fewer alts than you out of scrolls.

Cheers,
Kernal

[FluffyCalico]

Here your statements are inconsistent with themselves: You suggest that epic scrolls will become a currency (and indicate that it is a bad thing), and you also suggest that the scrolls will sit, unused, in people's bags. These two statements are logically inconsistent.

As far as I can tell, there's no real reason to, when dealing with unbound loot, roll on "need" rather than "greed", except to scam players with fewer alts than you out of scrolls.

Cheers,
Kernal

1) Did you truely not understand any of it or are you just trolling. I am going so give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you are just trolling.

[Asketes]

You obviously weren't around when the first raid loot system was in place.

Just in case it was never described to you I'll do so.

All raids were guaranteed two (2) named raid items on completion.

At completion the group leader was awarded two (2) tokens. These tokens were required to pull an item out of a second chest that appeared. This is where a group of raid items were located, usually 10 or 12. The group leader would assign the tokens, and the people who got the tokens took the item of their choice.

NOTE: This is where the problem starts...

Originally, the tokens were intended to reward productive party members. However, many deviant practices soon emerged:

Some guilds determined that all raid tokens went to the guild leader if he was in the raid. If not, then to the guildie who acted as group leader. Once the leader had all the "Uber" items he wanted he would pass the tokens to the next guy in line.

Some guilds had rules that all tokens stayed in the guild. Some groups advertised this in the LFM... others did not. If you ended up in the latter you got screwed.

Pugs were usually only good for the XP.

After numerous complaints, the system was changed to what we have today, where raid loot could drop for anyone, but there was no guarantee any would be awarded. On the other hand, everyone could see a raid item pop. This was before you could reassign bound items to others, so sometimes you got useless items.

Thanks for telling those who don't know, albeit in an obnoxious manner. That's something we should probably avoid.



a) again, i submit i was just talking with everyone about it; thus the reason it ain't in the suggestion box.

b) you're taking it way to serious

c) you must've been ripped off by a few people and are still upset about it

d) how does this even apply to me or my post?

e) allocating someone to pick up scrolls is generally what we've BEEN doing for epic scrolls mate

f) Realize i wasn't fishing for a troll response. Now unless you're one of those ninja-looters, i'm not poking fun at you, or calling you a troll.

g) I'm merely entertaining an idea that people getting a physical roll is more interactive and feels more like you've got some *say* in the game, versus the game auto-assigning someone to get the scroll. Autonomy is always more boring.

[Asketes]

I assume scrolls will still be unbound, yes?

[Angelus_dead]

After numerous complaints, the system was changed to what we have today, where raid loot could drop for anyone, but there was no guarantee any would be awarded. On the other hand, everyone could see a raid item pop. This was before you could reassign bound items to others, so sometimes you got useless items.

Incorrect. The developers specifically waited until chest loot had a drop-down name list before they removed the old "Glyph of Unwarding" raid loot system.

In fact, the only reason they ever publicly stated for changing the raid loot mechanic was: "You can assign loot in chests now"

[kernal42]

1) Did you truely not understand any of it or are you just trolling. I am going so give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you are just trolling.

I understand what you're saying perfectly well - better than you, in fact, if you fail to see the logical incompatibilities of your statements.

-Kernal

[Khanyth]

Aside from my gear not being up to snuff, another reason why I never did epics was because of this "ninja" looting.

I know a LOT of people complained about it but this system that the devs are implementing is a step in the right direction.

Furthermore, I don't know how the LotR option is better than what is being offered now. With the message, everyone knows who got a scroll or anything like that. In the LotR system, does the message to keep or roll show up to everyone too? And the arguement that "the players should police and set up rules before the group does the quest" is nice in principle, but I can only imagine how greedy people get without everyone knowing that someone got a scroll.

Anyways, it's better than what it is now. It might not be ideal or perfect for everyone's taste, but it is a step in the right direction.

[fuzzy1guy]

This will just be the end of random puggers in guild epics.

5 guildies and one of them has been looking for scroll X for ages... The guild members in the group will help him out for sure. For free. Because the favor will come back around when they need/want something.

Add one random pugger needed to fill up the party. Or do job X. The random pugger sure won't be likely to help out the guy looking for a scroll. Sure won't be for free anyway..
And even if he were to do that.. The favor would most likely never come back to him since he wont be seen again soon. If ever.


I don't have a problem with this i guess. If that's the way they want to push the game. So be it. They pushed pretty hard as it is now to make everyone join a guild. Even a small one.

Guild first and only guildies seems to be the way things are heading. Even tho it seems wrong to me...

[Asketes]

This will just be the end of random puggers in guild epics.

5 guildies and one of them has been looking for scroll X for ages... The guild members in the group will help him out for sure. For free. Because the favor will come back around when they need/want something.

Add one random pugger needed to fill up the party. Or do job X. The random pugger sure won't be likely to help out the guy looking for a scroll. Sure won't be for free anyway..
And even if he were to do that.. The favor would most likely never come back to him since he wont be seen again soon. If ever.


I don't have a problem with this i guess. If that's the way they want to push the game. So be it. They pushed pretty hard as it is now to make everyone join a guild. Even a small one.

Guild first and only guildies seems to be the way things are heading. Even tho it seems wrong to me...

I'd like to see a guildy of mine pull that in one of my groups. I'd boot their ninja a$$ down the road and out of guild in a heartbeat, no questions asked.


EVERYONE who wants to roll, gets to roll. EVEN if i'm the one holding scrolls and I get the "ZOMG i been looking forever for this" scroll. Everyone gets a fair chance at a roll.

[fuzzy1guy]

Comes down to 'hey i can use that' vs 'hey i can sell that'. I'd rather see the guy get the thing he needed.

Greed is getting huge tho.

[Asketes]

Comes down to 'hey i can use that' vs 'hey i can sell that'. I'd rather see the guy get the thing he needed.

Greed is getting huge tho.

it's funny you mention this, most of us have to much plat to know what to do with it..


it IS getting old. I've even seen other guilds making guildmates buy raid loot instead of just letting em roll for it.


it's sad

[Gremmlynn]

This will just be the end of random puggers in guild epics.

5 guildies and one of them has been looking for scroll X for ages... The guild members in the group will help him out for sure. For free. Because the favor will come back around when they need/want something.

Add one random pugger needed to fill up the party. Or do job X. The random pugger sure won't be likely to help out the guy looking for a scroll. Sure won't be for free anyway..
And even if he were to do that.. The favor would most likely never come back to him since he wont be seen again soon. If ever.


I don't have a problem with this i guess. If that's the way they want to push the game. So be it. They pushed pretty hard as it is now to make everyone join a guild. Even a small one.

Guild first and only guildies seems to be the way things are heading. Even tho it seems wrong to me...

Are you saying that the only reason guilds allow PUPs in their runs now is because the current (old) system allows them to screw the pup out of loot? If that's the case I'm all for the new autoroll system.

Oh, and by the way, I can only speak for myself, but unless the the player is a real jerk I wouldn't lose sleep over giving up pretty much anything I didn't have a pressing need for regardless of whether the favor was likely to come back (and in my experience, they do more than one would expect).

[kernal42]

Are you saying that the only reason guilds allow PUPs in their runs now is because the current (old) system allows them to screw the pup out of loot?

That's really how it sounded to me...

[Aashrym]

Are you saying that the only reason guilds allow PUPs in their runs now is because the current (old) system allows them to screw the pup out of loot? If that's the case I'm all for the new autoroll system.

Oh, and by the way, I can only speak for myself, but unless the the player is a real jerk I wouldn't lose sleep over giving up pretty much anything I didn't have a pressing need for regardless of whether the favor was likely to come back (and in my experience, they do more than one would expect).

That looks like what he's saying to me too, which is exactly the type of discrimination that the new system helps prevent even ignoring the removal of ninja looting. It also protects those guildies from the pug member if he is a looter because he won't be able to just grab every drop he sees.

And in the scenario of 5 guild members and 1 pug that pug has an equal chance among each player, but if the guild is trying to award the scroll to one player looking for it forever they have a 5/6 chance of getting it anyway among guild members.

Still a better system.

[fuzzy1guy]

**I started trying to explain.. But if you really don't see it already. Not much i can say that will help.
So i'll let it go.


Going to be alot more scrolls on the ah tho. Which will drive the prices down. And we can just buy what we want.

Going to be more piking too. lol


The old system was bad.. This isn't better or worse really.

[Rophez]

Just put scrolls in chest.