Half Elf Dillies

[k1ngp1n]

Right, I understand that. But this was referencing the Paladin dill enchancements, and if I can be a he favored soul of the undying court why can't a he paladin/pally-dill of the undying court. Yes, we don't get racial weapon enhancements, but the pally dill seems an ok alternative.

In Eberron lore a Khoravar (one of the pure half-elves) cannot join the Undying Court, nor be elevated to the status of nobility. Lore-wise, Helf Favored Souls probably shouldn't have the Undying Court option. That said, a Khoravar that displayed incredible skill or in some way attracted the attention of the Undying Court might be granted some form of favorable status.

A half elf who practices the codes of a paladin only as a dilettante would most definitely not make any impression on the Undying Court.

[SWeb]

In Eberron lore a Khoravar (one of the pure half-elves) cannot join the Undying Court, nor be elevated to the status of nobility. Lore-wise, Helf Favored Souls probably shouldn't have the Undying Court option. That said, a Khoravar that displayed incredible skill or in some way attracted the attention of the Undying Court might be granted some form of favorable status.

A half elf who practices the codes of a paladin only as a dilettante would most definitely not make any impression on the Undying Court.

Thats cool, but I can make a Undying Court HE Paladin and FvS in game, so I just want to make sure there is nothing missing, or if your lore is so correct if they have changed the Undying Court options. Are these enhancements listed anywhere else yet?

[Pape_27]

New Half-Elf Dilettante Enhancements
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Improved Bard Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Cleric Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Favored Soul Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Monk Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Paladin Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Ranger Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Rogue Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Sorcerer Dilettante I, II, III
Improved Wizard Dilettante I, II, III

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Whats missing here? The Fighter Class

Why no Improved Fighter Dilettante enhancements?

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[Eladrin]

Whats missing here? The Fighter Class

Why no Improved Fighter Dilettante enhancements?

The "Improved Dilettante" enhancements are intended to improve the base dilettante feats. Increased caster level, increased lesser bow strength, increased monk armor class, etc.

Fighter Dilettantes gain access to a subset of Fighter enhancements.

[Eladrin]

Why isn't this right? I can roll a Undying Court FvS, so why not a fitting Paladin too?

We sort of messed that one up. Half-elves really shouldn't have been given access to the Undying Court.

[Pape_27]

The "Improved Dilettante" enhancements are intended to improve the base dilettante feats. Increased caster level, increased lesser bow strength, increased monk armor class, etc.

Fighter Dilettantes gain access to a subset of Fighter enhancements.

Improved Fighter Dilettante = increased fighter levels = better bab... seems like a win to me.


But by subset of fighter enhancements, do you mean my helf FvS take a kensai enhancement?

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[Steampunkie]

Improved Fighter Dilettante = increased fighter levels = better bab... seems like a win to me.


But by subset of fighter enhancements, do you mean my helf FvS take a kensai enhancement?

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Nope. But a Helf Paladin could take improved combat maneuvers or armor mastery enhancements.

-Rachel-

[k1ngp1n]

Improved Fighter Dilettante = increased fighter levels = better bab... seems like a win to me.


But by subset of fighter enhancements, do you mean my helf FvS take a kensai enhancement?

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This list was created within within the first half hour or so of the preview opening, when the release notes were incomplete. All the class dilettantes are now listed here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066, where they are listed in an easier-to-read format. I didn't update the OP because, until yesterday, this thread was dead.

An excerpt regarding fighter dilettante enhancements:

Fighter:

* Half-Elf Armor Mastery I
o Prereqs: Level 5, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, 14 AP Spent
o Cost: 2 AP
o Benefit: Gives you the ability to move better in armor, increasing the Maximum Dexterity Bonus on your armor by +1. You may still be restricted by your tower shield's max Dex bonus.

* Half-Elf Armor Mastery II
o Prereqs: Level 11, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, Half-Elf Armor Mastery I, 36 AP Spent
o Cost: 4 AP
o Benefit: Gives you the ability to move better in armor, increasing the Maximum Dexterity Bonus on your armor by an additional +1. You may still be restricted by your tower shield's max Dex bonus.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Trip) I
o Prereqs: Level 3, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, 7 AP Spent
o Cost: 1 AP
o Benefit: Grants a +1 bonus to the DC of your Trip and Improved Trip feats.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Trip) II
o Prereqs: Level 8, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, Half-Elf Strategy (Trip) I, 26 AP Spent
o Cost: 2 AP
o Benefit: Grants an additional +1 bonus on the DC of your Trip and Improved Trip feats, bringing the total increase to 2.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
o Prereqs: Level 3, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, Stunning Blow, 7 AP Spent
o Cost: 1 AP
o Benefit: Grants a +1 bonus to the DC of your Stunning Blow feat.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
o Prereqs: Level 8, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, Stunning Blow, Half-Elf Strategy (Stunning Blow) I, 26 AP Spent
o Cost: 2 AP
o Benefit: Grants an additional +1 bonus on the DC of your Stunning Blow feat, bringing the total increase to 2.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Sunder) I
o Prereqs: Level 3, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, 7 AP Spent
o Cost: 1 AP
o Benefit: Grants a +1 bonus to the DC of your Sunder and Improved Sunder feats.

* Half-Elf Strategy (Sunder) II
o Prereqs: Level 8, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, Half-Elf Strategy (Sunder) I, 26 AP Spent
o Cost: 2 AP
o Benefit: Grants an additional +1 bonus on the DC of your Sunder and Improved Sunder feats, bringing the total increase to 2.

* Half-Elf Fighter Strength I
o Prereqs: Level 9, Half-Elf Fighter Dilettante, 30 AP Spent
o Cost: 2 AP
o Benefit: Grants a +1 increase to your Strength score. This counts as a class based ability score enhancement.

[SWeb]

We sort of messed that one up. Half-elves really shouldn't have been given access to the Undying Court.

So will this be corrected in the class feats with the next update, or will we just be denied associated enhancements? Unrelated, do Half-elf's qualify for the True Resurrection granted to elves by Undying Call?

[Eladrin]

So will this be corrected in the class feats with the next update, or will we just be denied associated enhancements?

For the moment, our current plan is to deny any knowledge of our original mistake, but try not to do it again. I don't particularly want to make existing Half-Elf FvS have to change their deities.

Unrelated, do Half-elf's qualify for the True Resurrection granted to elves by Undying Call?

I believe that they get the True Resurrection when affected by Undying Call, since Half-Elves count as Elves when it's beneficial to them. (I'd have to look to be absolutely sure. I remember at one point we were considering having them get hit by Resurrection instead, but I'm pretty sure we decided to let them get the full TR.)

[Gratch]

Just wanted to thank Eladrin for some forum browsing/posting today. Devtracker was filling up with all the CS posts about sales and contests and my.ddo borkage.

Though I guess there are like 19 Turbine Customer Service peoples now (good thing). Do you keep them all in one office cube to make sure they communicate with each other? Will 19 customer service reps writing random release notes for a million years someday produce the Update Hamlet Release notes?

Survivor: Customer Service ISLAND aside... any chance at a forum puzzle with a hint on an Update 9 PRE?

[manumase]

For the moment, our current plan is to deny any knowledge of our original mistake, but try not to do it again. I don't particularly want to make existing Half-Elf FvS have to change their deities.


I believe that they get the True Resurrection when affected by Undying Call, since Half-Elves count as Elves when it's beneficial to them. (I'd have to look to be absolutely sure. I remember at one point we were considering having them get hit by Resurrection instead, but I'm pretty sure we decided to let them get the full TR.)

undying call needs an errata then ^^ it says high elves, which a half elf is obviously not ^^