Half Elf Dillies

[imblo99]

1. Dwarf are fat and beardy. And I can get +2 dc for 3ap (maybe +3 for 6ap in the future) if Im a half-elf, instead of +2 for 6ap or +3 for 12ap of a dwarf.
2. Stunning blow? Why? Stunning fist is all that matters.

1. Understandable - personal preference
2. My original comment was regarding the stunning blow enhancements on the fighter - you need to have the stunning blow feat before you could invest AP in the enhancements. Guessing it is the same for dill.

I'd rather do Fighter or Rogue Dilettante on a Monk.

Rogue would net you what, 3d6 Sneak Attack. A Ninja-Spy would have 6d6 SA while still being pure Monk.

Fighter gets you the tactic lines, access to a STR enhancement, and if for some crazy reason you wanted it, Martial Weapon Prof.

Monks have enough natural durability and self healing that I honestly would say that Cleric Dilettante would be overkill

Probably right there - rogue dill is the better bet for monks than cleric dill. Although if you do go Ninja-Spy you'll miss out on FoL and some self healing, which has some nice synergies with healing amp.

Very MAD builds can benefit from Helf Dilly stat boosts, Human Adaptability, and stat enhancements from their actual class(es).

Not sure how useful this will be - after all, it doesn't count towards feat pre-reqs, is only one extra point, won't stack with existing class enhancements and only a few class/diletatante combos will see the full benefit. E.g. non-fighter melee classes with fighter dill could get +2 extra str (adapability + dill).

[azrael4h]

Not sure how useful this will be - after all, it doesn't count towards feat pre-reqs, is only one extra point, won't stack with existing class enhancements and only a few class/diletatante combos will see the full benefit. E.g. non-fighter melee classes with fighter dill could get +2 extra str (adapability + dill).

That's the point; it's a stacking bonus to a non-essential stat that can go with Human Adaptability/Greater Adaptability. Saves me 2 AP vs taking Greater Adaptability, and comes in at a lower level.

[Snowborne]

New Half-Elf Dilettante Enhancements

Half-Elf Improved Recovery I
Cost: 2
ML: 5
Requires: Monk Dilettante
10% Healing Amp

Half-Elf Improved Recovery II
Cost: 4
ML: 11
Requires: Monk Dilettante
20% Healing Amp

Does anyone know if they have considered allowing half elves with an actual level in the class to take feats, such as the one above? For example, instead of just for those with the Monk Dilettante feat, perhaps those who splashed two levels for evasion and feats, but would like to spend AP to get the healing amp, or perhaps those with one level or rogue to spend AP to get the other 2d6 of sneak attack damage.

[Angelus_dead]

Does anyone know if they have considered allowing half elves with an actual level in the class to take feats, such as the one above?

It's always been allowed (just textually discouraged).

[Snowborne]

It's always been allowed (just textually discouraged).

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself very clear there. Let me rephrase. What I meant to ask was if they have considered allowing......A 18 ranger, 1 rogue, 1 monk...with a Dillettante feat in Barbarian or Wiz, or such, to still spend AP on the extra sneak attack, or the monk healing amp, even without taking the Dillettante feat in that area.

[Odin's_Hugin]

2. My original comment was regarding the stunning blow enhancements on the fighter - you need to have the stunning blow feat before you could invest AP in the enhancements. Guessing it is the same for dill.

I've never heard of that. But we dont know, it might work with only stunning fist (which is also a feat like stunning blow). It wouldnt make any sense otherwise. Afterall, tactics doesnt have anything in the text that implies it's directly atached to ONE tactical feat only.

[Auran82]

I've never heard of that. But we dont know, it might work with only stunning fist (which is also a feat like stunning blow). It wouldnt make any sense otherwise. Afterall, tactics doesnt have anything in the text that implies it's directly atached to ONE tactical feat only.

Half elves with the fighter dill don't get a tactics line like dwarves and WF do, they get access to Trip 1/2, Stunning Blow 1/2 and Sunder 1/2, all separate enhancement lines.

From memory, the stunning blow enhancement does not affect stunning fist, the only ones that do are the dwarf and WF 'affect all combat tactics' ones do.

[TreknaQudane]

Half elves with the fighter dill don't get a tactics line like dwarves and WF do, they get access to Trip 1/2, Stunning Blow 1/2 and Sunder 1/2, all separate enhancement lines.

From memory, the stunning blow enhancement does not affect stunning fist, the only ones that do are the dwarf and WF 'affect all combat tactics' ones do.

Incorrect

Fighter Stunning does work for Stunning Fist as does Fighter: Kensei

[Dylvish]

It counts as a class enhancement. They would not stack.

Well that rather limits things considering the synergy required just to get the Dill to begin with (13 in stat).

[Nyvn]

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself very clear there. Let me rephrase. What I meant to ask was if they have considered allowing......A 18 ranger, 1 rogue, 1 monk...with a Dillettante feat in Barbarian or Wiz, or such, to still spend AP on the extra sneak attack, or the monk healing amp, even without taking the Dillettante feat in that area.

The Dillettante feat unlocks the associated enhancements; so no.

[Odin's_Hugin]

Half elves with the fighter dill don't get a tactics line like dwarves and WF do, they get access to Trip 1/2, Stunning Blow 1/2 and Sunder 1/2, all separate enhancement lines.

Are you sure? Have you tested it?

edit: nvm, you're right. But still affects Stunning Fist either way.

[Valakai]

Looks sweet. Especially like the paladin for the + to saves and the rogue for the SA. Others...not bad but not great. Cleric is ok for raise dead scrolls and barb for some additional HP. This is exactly what the race needed. Not OP like the other ugly half'n'half race but gives very good customization and versatility so my thanks Turbine for getting this right.

[psteen1]

Not OP like the other ugly half'n'half race but gives very good customization and versatility so my thanks Turbine for getting this right.

LOL. "The other ugly half'n'half race." Agreed. Half-elves are just are ugly as half-orcs. Except half-orcs are supposed to be ugly, and half-elves are supposed to be pretty.

[Missing_Minds]

LOL. "The other ugly half'n'half race." Agreed. Half-elves are just are ugly as half-orcs. Except half-orcs are supposed to be ugly, and half-elves are supposed to be pretty.

Crack open a 3.0 or 3.5 players handbook. Have a look at the drawings they have of half elves and elves. The "elves" we have look like Half elves, honestly. Rather hard to come up with a pretty quarter elf.

[psteen1]

Crack open a 3.0 or 3.5 players handbook. Have a look at the drawings they have of half elves and elves. The "elves" we have look like Half elves, honestly. Rather hard to come up with a pretty quarter elf.

one of these days, a computer game designer somewhere, somehow, is going to create a game with characters that have long flowing hair and that does not clip on their armors or robes.

[Carpone]

Rogue would net you what, 3d6 Sneak Attack. A Ninja-Spy would have 6d6 SA while still being pure Monk.

Can anyone confirm SA from HE:Rogue and Ninja Spy stack with one another?

[Robi3.0]

Can anyone confirm SA from HE:Rogue and Ninja Spy stack with one another?

yes it does eladrin posted such in a thread who's sole purpose was to get an answer to that question.

plus my Helf dark monk just hit lvl 6 the other day and I can confirm it is is WAI.

[SWeb]

Yeah. Not having the elven scimitar goodies really hurts, but it isn't lore-wise correct so I'll roll with it.

Why isn't this right? I can roll a Undying Court FvS, so why not a fitting Paladin too?

[Nyvn]

Why isn't this right? I can roll a Undying Court FvS, so why not a fitting Paladin too?

It's in reference to the Aerenal and Valenar Elf Melee Damage/Attack enhancement lines. These come from being raised with the associated type of weapon in common use. In Ebberon Halfelves are typically raised by 2 Halfelf parents and aren't exposed to the weapon training while growing up.

[SWeb]

It's in reference to the Aerenal and Valenar Elf Melee Damage/Attack enhancement lines. These come from being raised with the associated type of weapon in common use. In Ebberon Halfelves are typically raised by 2 Halfelf parents and aren't exposed to the weapon training while growing up.

Right, I understand that. But this was referencing the Paladin dill enchancements, and if I can be a he favored soul of the undying court why can't a he paladin/pally-dill of the undying court. Yes, we don't get racial weapon enhancements, but the pally dill seems an ok alternative.