Oh **** no!

[Junts]

Because if there is no message saying that X player has this scroll, they may not speak up and let the group roll on it, therefore ninja looting now became automatic.

The game is already doing the roll for you. When it randomly assigns the scroll to someone else, it's doing exactly the same thing that rolling does: you have the same chance to get the scroll.

if the player doesn't want the scroll, they can then put it up for roll and give you another chance.

How exactly is 5 people rolling a d100 more fair than the game randomly determining a player to give it to?

This is roughly the same as claiming that a player who gets raid loot must put it up for roll and beat everyone if he wants to keep it.

I, for one, will absolutely require any group I'm leading to simply accept the random determination of the recipient, who can then pass on it if they want. It's already randomly-distributed loot now. You have no right to a second chance.

[DragoonPenguin]

The intent is for there to be a message that goes to the entire group.

That still won't stop some ...unsavory folks from keeping the scroll. Granted, if someone pulls that, they're going to be blacklisted, but more random is absolutely not what Epics need.

[Trillea]

The game is already doing the roll for you. When it randomly assigns the scroll to someone else, it's doing exactly the same thing that rolling does: you have the same chance to get the scroll.

if the player doesn't want the scroll, they can then put it up for roll and give you another chance.

How exactly is 5 people rolling a d100 more fair than the game randomly determining a player to give it to?

This is roughly the same as claiming that a player who gets raid loot must put it up for roll and beat everyone if he wants to keep it.

I don't roll on scrolls to sell, which is probably why I have so few scrolls. I never thought others should either, though I can't enforce that so I mostly keep that to myself. I put up seals/shards that I don't need for roll as well. This is a step in the wrong direction.

[maddmatt70]

I disagree with the OP in that this undoubtedly a step in the right direction. This change is not unlike when somebody opens a chest and they find the seal or shard assigned to them to which they can loot or not loot. This ends all ninja looting and provides for a uniform distribution of the loot. Bravo developers.

[Chelsa]

Love this new mechanic because it changes nothing other then who is in control. Either way somebody gets the scroll, except in this case it is not the one who can click faster or is in on the spot where it drops.

Unfortunately, this change will probably lead to endless postings and DOOOOOOM.

Adapt, overcome, improvise.

[Sharzade]

Love this new mechanic because it changes nothing other then who is in control. Either way somebody gets the scroll, except in this case it is not the one who can click faster or is in on the spot where it drops.

Unfortunately, this change will probably lead to endless postings and DOOOOOOM.

Adapt, overcome, improvise.

I like the change too.

I realize that in other MMOs (like LotRO) there's a pop-up box that gives all party members a chance to Roll or Pass on nicer items.

With the Epic scroll change, DDO is automatically doing the roll to see which party member wins the scroll. After that it's up to the winner to decide if they want to use the scroll, give it to a buddy, put it up for roll, or sell it. I like that.

Thanks to this new mechanic, it's harder for the group to eliminate non-guild-members or various classes from the chance to acquire scrolls (= Good News for my Clerics).

Sharz

[kernal42]

I don't roll on scrolls to sell, which is probably why I have so few scrolls. I never thought others should either, though I can't enforce that so I mostly keep that to myself. I put up seals/shards that I don't need for roll as well. This is a step in the wrong direction.

If pugging in the desert together and I pull a bloodstone I might not be able to use right now, you can't have it.
The same goes for scrolls, and any other unbound loot.

Bound loot, like seals/shards, should absolutely be treated like other bound loot - which is to say, if you can't have it, trade it in-chest. Seeing as scrolls are unbound, though, that's irrelevant to this conversation.

Cheers,
Kernal

[Trillea]

If pugging in the desert together and I pull a bloodstone I might not be able to use right now, you can't have it.
The same goes for scrolls, and any other unbound loot.

Bound loot, like seals/shards, should absolutely be treated like other bound loot - which is to say, if you can't have it, trade it in-chest. Seeing as scrolls are unbound, though, that's irrelevant to this conversation.

Cheers,
Kernal

IMO, the bound/unbound status of an item should have no bearing on whether an item is rolled on or not. Like I said, I don't roll on stuff to sell, and don't think others should either, but I have no way to enforce this. So mostly I suffer in silence, but this has brought my feelings on the subject to a head. So I started this thread.

[Kza]

Great change, roll done no more ninja looting.

I for one dont care if message pop up or not that it has been looted.

[Calebro]

IMO, the bound/unbound status of an item should have no bearing on whether an item is rolled on or not. Like I said, I don't roll on stuff to sell, and don't think others should either, but I have no way to enforce this. So mostly I suffer in silence, but this has brought my feelings on the subject to a head. So I started this thread.

The new mechanic is in no way different from if it dropped in your name in a chest.
You want to keep it, it's yours and there's nothing anyone can say about it.
You want to put it up for roll, others will thank you and roll on it.

[kernal42]

IMO, the bound/unbound status of an item should have no bearing on whether an item is rolled on or not. Like I said, I don't roll on stuff to sell, and don't think others should either, but I have no way to enforce this. So mostly I suffer in silence, but this has brought my feelings on the subject to a head. So I started this thread.

Do you roll on loot for alts?

Letting people keep whatever unbound loot drops for them, regardless of their (or their alts') ability to use it is much more fair than rolling on it based on your (or your alts') ability to use.

Rolling for alts seriously benefits those with many alts, and penalizes those with few or no alts. Incidentally, I note that your sig includes no fewer than sixteen toons on Thelanis.

-Kernal

[Trillea]

The new mechanic is in no way different from if it dropped in your name in a chest.
You want to keep it, it's yours and there's nothing anyone can say about it.
You want to put it up for roll, others will thank you and roll on it.

This is true, but I would prefer a system like the OLD raid loot system - the one where the party leader was given the keys to the warded chest - fair party leaders made sure that loot got to where it was most useful, while greedy ones were quickly blacklisted.

[Trillea]

Do you roll on loot for alts?

Letting people keep whatever unbound loot drops for them, regardless of their (or their alts') ability to use it is much more fair than rolling on it based on your (or your alts') ability to use.

Rolling for alts seriously benefits those with many alts, and penalizes those with few or no alts. Incidentally, I note that your sig includes no fewer than sixteen toons on Thelanis.

-Kernal

Only for capped alts that can use epic items.

[kernal42]

This is true, but I would prefer a system like the OLD raid loot system - the one where the party leader was given the keys to the warded chest - fair party leaders made sure that loot got to where it was most useful, while greedy ones were quickly blacklisted.

I disagree. That system is much more prone to griefing/favortism than the current system. The current system is more fair - probably why the devs made that change.

-Kernal

[kernal42]

Only for capped alts that can use epic items.

Considering that epic shards/seals are the dominant (and most difficult to obtain) source of BTA loot, I'll consider your statement equivalent to "Almost always."

-Kernal

[Trillea]

Considering that epic shards/seals are the dominant (and most difficult to obtain) source of BTA loot, I'll consider your statement equivalent to "Almost always."

-Kernal

Considering only about 4 of my characters are capped, you would be incorrect. Selee, Dunthar, Morrg, and Shhavarath.

[ZodacBKB]

This is true, but I would prefer a system like the OLD raid loot system - the one where the party leader was given the keys to the warded chest - fair party leaders made sure that loot got to where it was most useful, while greedy ones were quickly blacklisted.

I think you are in the minority in that preference. It is an appropriate analogy, but the devs chose to change the scroll drops to be un-ninja-able to be consistent with how they changed the raid system.

[Trillea]

I think you are in the minority in that preference. It is an appropriate analogy, but the devs chose to change the scroll drops to be un-ninja-able to be consistent with how they changed the raid system.

I realize that, but I was against the raid loot change as well. I preferred guaranteed raid loot (and wish they would change it back, but lost that hope long ago)

[ZodacBKB]

I realize that, but I was against the raid loot change as well. I preferred guaranteed raid loot (and wish they would change it back, but lost that hope long ago)

I understand, and I appreciate that you have a consistent opinion on the matter.

[Namey]

I cant wait for the stupid drama threads about this change.

"Player X got a scroll, but refused to give it up for roll. That is so unfair, I deserved a chance at the scroll too! "