Dear clerics,

[Royalties]

I call those semi-speed. If I create a semi-speed 'cos I play at odd hours very often we get a group of 12 who want to complete and so we revert to speed. And yes any buffs that can be done on the run are done on the run. Part 1 all buffs done on the last portal as it is expected that only the arcanes will shrine and they can do their own. Part 4 starts as soon as a healer zones in so buffing is completed while playing with the trash mobs there. Buffing at end of part 3 done against the glass wall as anyone who needed to shrine should have done so at the end of part 2. You don't get individual buffs unless you ask for something - and you are expected to ask and know what you need.

I need to do shrouds with you apparently.

[04pugdog04]

No, he said hit it before I was even done waiting. Heh.

When everyone but you and one other person died there's obviously something wrong.

Also what I said was if you're not finishing go ahead and leave when he was at 10%. To which Cornth said "don't be a jerk and hit the altar before people have a chance to leave" to which I responded "no I'm not going to be a jerk I'm going to wait 20 seconds for people to leave so people can /death out or throw up a ddoor now if they want" because people have other things to do than worry about some dude finishing his shroud.

Here you say you would only wait 20 seconds that is what i am refering to

[vVAnjilaVv]

I'd have to say I will refrain from crafting...no problems there....but I think people who don't loot in between parts......that is just over-confidence......I'm looting no matter what...you never know what is going to happen.......Turbine goes down. you get DC'ed......party wipes....part 5 bugs out.....blah blah....I'm not missing out on my tomes and ings. because someone thinks they control the worlds events LOL.

[Royalties]

When everyone but you and one other person died there's obviously something wrong.

Also what I said was if you're not finishing go ahead and leave when he was at 10%. To which Cornth said "don't be a jerk and hit the altar before people have a chance to leave" to which I responded "no I'm not going to be a jerk I'm going to wait 20 seconds for people to leave so people can /death out or throw up a ddoor now if they want" because people have other things to do than worry about some dude finishing his shroud.

Here you say you would only wait 20 seconds that is what i am refering to

Yes... I did say I would only wait 20 seconds. Nobody wants to wait on people ****ing around to finish shroud. 20 seconds iis sufficient enough time to leave.

[googatron]

The aura isn't effected by maximize or empower, only by Devotion, Empower Healing, and Ardor pots/clickies. The burst on the other hand is beastly and is effected by all of the above.

I never mentioned that the aura is effected by empower or maximise... I was refering to the burst.

[Royalties]

I never mentioned that the aura is effected by empower or maximise... I was refering to the burst.

My bad, must have misread. Yeah the burst is disgusting.

[04pugdog04]

Yes... I did say I would only wait 20 seconds. Nobody wants to wait on people ****ing around to finish shroud. 20 seconds iis sufficient enough time to leave.

Not with some people haveomg slow load screens. SO you are telling me that 40 more seconds for someone to confirm they are out is to long for you to wait because your 40 seconds is that much more important then them. Well that is very sad that you cant be bothered to make sure everyone is out before you hit the alter maybe you should run your own raids then so you can set the rules.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Not with some people haveomg slow load screens. SO you are telling me that 40 more seconds for someone to confirm they are out is to long for you to wait because your 40 seconds is that much more important then them. Well that is very sad that you cant be bothered to make sure everyone is out before you hit the alter maybe you should run your own raids then so you can set the rules.

See, this is why I usually stay away from speed/zerg runs.......there are simply to many variables both in the game and in RL to omit patience and try to set a non-flexible time standard.

Even if you have a great computer, you are not totally immune to having a lagout in a load screen or other such stuff.

IMO, if ur not willing to accept the probability of taking a loss somewhere, either by way of a group leaving you behind in a dungeon or a Shroud run not giving you enough time to fully load out or etc, etc....your best bet is to avoid such players/LFM's.

I prefer flexibility over rigidity....the latter works awesome when everything is in perfect working order.....and I think we all know how often that is....and fails horribly when it isn't. The prior works in both situations equally well.

[k1ngp1n]

I was in this group and I was the last cleric standing (Sueture).

Sueture vs Senchae?

Sueture wins.

/thread

[Phyreball]

I've seen Clerics aura heal w/o even breaking a sweat, I've seen some eat it when the first fireball hits em in the face.
I've seen it go half a round. I've seen it go three.
It's simple, if you want to finish a pug raid do everything in your power to finish it. If you fail and YOU built the group guess who put together a bad group. Yes it is an easy raid for those of us who have run it more times than we care to admit but remember your first few runs when it was new and we had no real gear?
~ this post is not directed @ the OP alone. I'm just sick of people blaming everyone else for a failed GROUP effort when all is said and done, step back.. guess what? It's a game.
`Phyre

[Royalties]

not With Some People Haveomg Slow Load Screens. So You Are Telling Me That 40 More Seconds For Someone To Confirm They Are Out Is To Long For You To Wait Because Your 40 Seconds Is That Much More Important Then Them. Well That Is Very Sad That You Cant Be Bothered To Make Sure Everyone Is Out Before You Hit The Alter Maybe You Should Run Your Own Raids Then So You Can Set The Rules.

Q.q

[MeliCat]

I need to do shrouds with you apparently.

actually i'm not that uber at all... but some very VERY uber players jumped into my last semi speed (then converted to speed) and it was over in 19mins. i usually ask melees from guilds idk to link DR breakers - these smarta$$es were all linking epic SOSes (even though knowing their guild i didn't bother to ask them). i must admit it's the fastest i've done to date.

[Timber]

Yes... I did say I would only wait 20 seconds. Nobody wants to wait on people ****ing around to finish shroud. 20 seconds iis sufficient enough time to leave.

Not true. I don't give a rats. The difference between 20 seconds and 1min or 2 is minimal... and if you are afraid of losing 20 seconds of your life... well then you shouldn't be playing a game that involves escaping real life. However, if the run was stated with SPECIFIC rules about what was going to happen then that should be followed. But if it just said speed run, well that's relative to everyone's perception of speed.

[Royalties]

Not true. I don't give a rats. The difference between 20 seconds and 1min or 2 is minimal... and if you are afraid of losing 20 seconds of your life... well then you shouldn't be playing a game that involves escaping real life. However, if the run was stated with SPECIFIC rules about what was going to happen then that should be followed. But if it just said speed run, well that's relative to everyone's perception of speed.

Don't join fast shrouds if you can't get out fast. End. of. story. Thank you.

[Timber]

Don't join fast shrouds if you can't get out fast. End. of. story. Thank you.

I do understand where you're coming from, sorry if what I posted sounded rude or harsh. However I do think there are variables that may get in the way of getting out asap, which, when happens should be met with patience.

[Postumus]

My melee is a 20 barbarian however and he's pretty dependent on heals

Well insulting clerics in general should help your situation immensely then.

[soupertc]

Don't join fast shrouds if you can't get out fast. End. of. story. Thank you.

Fast Shrouds normally work cause everyone knows what to do. Running ahead and zerging is awesome.....but not if you can't handle it(which it sounds like is your toon). Dieing on a 700 HP Barb is pretty hard in prt 4.....you know what's harder.....seeing that your dieing and not moving out of combat. You sound like your adult....do you need a babysitter in real life? The 1st thing you should be worried about is your gameplay before someone elses.

If you run Epic like you say you do I would think you would have figured out all of the above by now....or you getting dragged through those too?

[Thelmallen]

Fast Shrouds normally work cause everyone knows what to do. Running ahead and zerging is awesome.....but not if you can't handle it(which it sounds like is your toon). Dieing on a 700 HP Barb is pretty hard in prt 4.....you know what's harder.....seeing that your dieing and not moving out of combat. You sound like your adult....do you need a babysitter in real life? The 1st thing you should be worried about is your gameplay before someone elses.

If you run Epic like you say you do I would think you would have figured out all of the above by now....or you getting dragged through those too?

Sorry, only people that actually play DDO are allowed to comment in this thread. Move on, please.

Miss ya, Zixx! Where the heck ya been?!

[Thelmallen]

sueture Vs Senchae?

Sueture Wins.

/thread

Qft

[jwdaniels]

i usually ask melees from guilds idk to link DR breakers

I've only seen this happen on Sarlona once, and I left the group without linking my DR breaker because I had a (correct) feeling that the group was doomed just based on this request...