Dear clerics,

[vVAnjilaVv]

It's always easier to blame the cleric...

I could of sworn they implemented Monks into the game so we could blame them instead

[Royalties]

Ummm I never died man, a cleric and I was last men standing in part 4. Twigz is a 20 Fighter. You guys completed, I /death out at 10%....


Xymox- I don't remember 100% who was leading but yeah I think so, there were 3 healers. I remember toward the end of part 5 the leader asked is anyone was not finishing and I said I was gonna /death out and Royal was like YOU BETTER GO NOW and the leader told him not to be a **** and let people get out through a DDoor someone through up. I /death'd out anyway because I've been burned on DDoors before.

When everyone but you and one other person died there's obviously something wrong.

Also what I said was if you're not finishing go ahead and leave when he was at 10%. To which Cornth said "don't be a jerk and hit the altar before people have a chance to leave" to which I responded "no I'm not going to be a jerk I'm going to wait 20 seconds for people to leave so people can /death out or throw up a ddoor now if they want" because people have other things to do than worry about some dude finishing his shroud.

But cool dramatic reenactment bro.

[Xymox]

Ummm I never died man, a cleric and I was last men standing in part 4. Twigz is a 20 Fighter. You guys completed, I /death out at 10%....


Xymox- I don't remember 100% who was leading but yeah I think so, there were 3 healers. I remember toward the end of part 5 the leader asked is anyone was not finishing and I said I was gonna /death out and Royal was like YOU BETTER GO NOW and the leader told him not to be a **** and let people get out through a DDoor someone through up. I /death'd out anyway because I've been burned on DDoors before.

I never post on the forums but play a lot. Most of you know me as Scalpel or Sueture or Xymox. I was in this group and I was the last cleric standing (Sueture).

Can't quote everyone (even though I would like to) but this truely was "almost" a failed run due to leadership.

First: 3 clerics? why?

Second: the leader wouldn't wait for our 12th man (mellee) and was eventually stuck at the beginning and later left the group

Third: the barb in question kept saying he was going to solo everything


As for me, I was in melleeing, I have 517hp and a very decent str along with DR bypassing weapons (remember we are down 2 mellees). I can stand in the fight and when needed cast an empowered, maximized, empower heal, quickened mass and heal the group on Harry. Also I was casting mass pro's. I do this quite often and have never had a complaint. BTW: I always try and have the auro going to help out.

People were dying because they were not melleeing, the were standing just outside my range ranging. (ie the rog using a repeater)

Lastly I remember in part 5, the barbarian in question yelling at me because he didn't care about my auro and to just mass heal. I didn't respond, but kinda laughed to myself.

My toons I mainly play are Luse, Sueture, Scalpel, and Xymox. If you dont like the way I play, please put me on your DNG.

As for the OP. Why wont you post your toons names?

[twigzz]

yeah LOL YOU LET THE ENTIRE PARTY WIPE. GJ BRAGGING

As if I could seriously solo harry on a barbarian without massive consumption of SF pots rofl

Edit: Also I was the last melee to die. lol.........

When everyone but you and one other person died there's obviously something wrong.

Also what I said was if you're not finishing go ahead and leave when he was at 10%. To which Cornth said "don't be a jerk and hit the altar before people have a chance to leave" to which I responded "no I'm not going to be a jerk I'm going to wait 20 seconds for people to leave so people can /death out or throw up a ddoor now if they want" because people have other things to do than worry about some dude finishing his shroud.

But cool dramatic reenactment bro.

So I caused a party wipe? Wait I didn't? You were last man standing? Wait no it was me? I'm getting confused lol.

Look I'm not trying to be an ass. It's just the way you come off in game. Right from the start you were telling us what buffs we need and what buffs we didn't. Always in a hurry and just talking smack in general. Like your guildies/friend said right from the get go, don't listen to Senchae, he's a sarcastic ******* lol. As for the ending there, I could tell what kind of person you were and there was no way in hell I was taking a DDoor with you there. This is no doubt in my mind that you don't give a rats ass about people in this game either than yourself and maybe guildies/friends.

[phalaeo]

How do you get in game photo's on here so quickly? Don't tell me you're actually on the forums whining when you could be actually playing the game!!! I've never found the need to break off play to come to the forums...I wait until I'm at work lol...nice confirmation on your toolishness.

Are you talking to me?

If so, I'm laid up with some medical issues currently. If that makes me a tool, so be it.

[twigzz]

I never post on the forums but play a lot. Most of you know me as Scalpel or Sueture or Xymox. I was in this group and I was the last cleric standing (Sueture).

Can't quote everyone (even though I would like to) but this truely was "almost" a failed run due to leadership.

First: 3 clerics? why?

Second: the leader wouldn't wait for our 12th man (mellee) and was eventually stuck at the beginning and later left the group

Third: the barb in question kept saying he was going to solo everything


As for me, I was in melleeing, I have 517hp and a very decent str along with DR bypassing weapons (remember we are down 2 mellees). I can stand in the fight and when needed cast an empowered, maximized, empower heal, quickened mass and heal the group on Harry. Also I was casting mass pro's. I do this quite often and have never had a complaint. BTW: I always try and have the auro going to help out.

People were dying because they were not melleeing, the were standing just outside my range ranging. (ie the rog using a repeater)

Lastly I remember in part 5, the barbarian in question yelling at me because he didn't care about my auro and to just mass heal. I didn't respond, but kinda laughed to myself.

My toons I mainly play are Luse, Sueture, Scalpel, and Xymox. If you dont like the way I play, please put me on your DNG.

As for the OP. Why wont you post your toons names?

Dude your the ****ing man! Thank you for an excellent experience! Nothing like beating down Harry with your cleric friend! You'll be getting an in game mail from Flamestarter for your great effort last night.

[Royalties]

I never post on the forums but play a lot. Most of you know me as Scalpel or Sueture or Xymox. I was in this group and I was the last cleric standing (Sueture).

Can't quote everyone (even though I would like to) but this truely was "almost" a failed run due to leadership.

First: 3 clerics? why?

Second: the leader wouldn't wait for our 12th man (mellee) and was eventually stuck at the beginning and later left the group

Third: the barb in question kept saying he was going to solo everything


As for me, I was in melleeing, I have 517hp and a very decent str along with DR bypassing weapons (remember we are down 2 mellees). I can stand in the fight and when needed cast an empowered, maximized, empower heal, quickened mass and heal the group on Harry. Also I was casting mass pro's. I do this quite often and have never had a complaint. BTW: I always try and have the auro going to help out.

People were dying because they were not melleeing, the were standing just outside my range ranging. (ie the rog using a repeater)

Lastly I remember in part 5, the barbarian in question yelling at me because he didn't care about my auro and to just mass heal. I didn't respond, but kinda laughed to myself.

My toons I mainly play are Luse, Sueture, Scalpel, and Xymox. If you dont like the way I play, please put me on your DNG.

As for the OP. eWhy wont you post your toons nams?

Oh, that was you casting protections. That was something I was really impressed with tbh since it's something I rarely ever see. Also I was joking about solo-ing everything. I'm well aware of my limitations and that I can't hardly solo a shroud on a barbarian. I was zerging however, since the shroud said "fast shroud" and that's why the 12th man was left behind. The healers in question that weren't throwing heals and/or cures were standing there with their auras up and not swinging there weapons was frustrating. At least contribute to dps if you're going to stand there with your aura up, then it makes more sense. Even doing 1d6 of damage contributes, but throwing up and aura while everyone dies in part 4 isn't contributing.

Also I've already posted my toon's name. The toon I'm speaking about is Senchae.

I believe you were the toon I was talking about when I said "that's really impressive that your aura is doing 92 tics of hp per second" and really the only cleric I would party with again in that shroud as you were the only one who was actually contributing.

[Royalties]

So I caused a party wipe? Wait I didn't? You were last man standing? Wait no it was me? I'm getting confused lol.

Look I'm not trying to be an ass. It's just the way you come off in game. Right from the start you were telling us what buffs we need and what buffs we didn't. Always in a hurry and just talking smack in general. Like your guildies/friend said right from the get go, don't listen to Senchae, he's a sarcastic ******* lol. As for the ending there, I could tell what kind of person you were and there was no way in hell I was taking a DDoor with you there. This is no doubt in my mind that you don't give a rats ass about people in this game either than yourself and maybe guildies/friends.

If you don't like it don't join a fast shroud. Nobody wants freaking protection from elements or spell resistance in part one. Honestly. Fast shroud means go and get it over with. Fom and fire resist in parts 2, 4 and 5.

[04pugdog04]

Oh, that was you casting protections. That was something I was really impressed with tbh since it's something I rarely ever see. Also I was joking about solo-ing everything. I'm well aware of my limitations and that I can't hardly solo a shroud on a barbarian. I was zerging however, since the shroud said "fast shroud" and that's why the 12th man was left behind. The healers in question that weren't throwing heals and/or cures were standing there with their auras up and not swinging there weapons was frustrating. At least contribute to dps if you're going to stand there with your aura up, then it makes more sense. Even doing 1d6 of damage contributes, but throwing up and aura while everyone dies in part 4 isn't contributing.

Also I've already posted my toon's name. The toon I'm speaking about is Senchae.

I believe you were the toon I was talking about when I said "that's really impressive that your aura is doing 92 tics of hp per second" and really the only cleric I would party with again in that shroud as you were the only one who was actually contributing.

SO basically you said you would hit the alter after 20 seconds even after the leader said wait because you feel that is enough time well cool that puts another ont he list

[Royalties]

SO basically you said you would hit the alter after 20 seconds even after the leader said wait because you feel that is enough time well cool that puts another ont he list

No, he said hit it before I was even done waiting. Heh.

[googatron]

Step 1: Cloak of ice clicky. use it. (-50% fire damage)
Step 2: Resist Fire. (30 point DR to fire)
Step 3: Ardor clicky + Aura. (duh!)
Step 4: ??? (something to do with spaming protection from elements or something otherwise entertaining)
Step 5: Profit. (you have won at the hardest raid in the game... oh wait!)


In other news, A Maximised/Empowered/Empowered healing[nd] (spelling?) Burst (rad serv) is more than enough healing with the aura up and allows you to throw in prayer/Recitation on the melee. This is in addition to other heals. Basicly standing out of melee gives nothing to a cleric other than limited options, Why would they willingly do this?

[vVAnjilaVv]

I know obviously recall before finish in part 5 is standard practice...what's the general consensus on this tho...it just always felt like cheating to me.....if we complete part 5 I always finish.

Now don't all you people who do this go thinking I am bashing you, because I am not. to each their own...just asking.

[MeliCat]

I know obviously recall before finish in part 5 is standard practice...what's the general consensus on this tho...it just always felt like cheating to me.....if we complete part 5 I always finish.

Now don't all you people who do this go thinking I am bashing you, because I am not. to each their own...just asking.

If I'm in the process of creating a new character and haven't got GS on them and want to get GS on them ASAP, I will recall rather than complete. When I get the shards I need I will complete and then craft.

If you have the ings to get your T3 ASAP and you're about to start Amrath etc where they can greatly assist it's a good idea.

Big difference between a speed shroud and a normal-stuff-around pug shroud though. I wouldn't not complete in a speed shroud because in my understanding of a speed shroud you don't loot as you go through (what is done on Khyber anyway - not sure if Sarlona is different).

[Royalties]

If I'm in the process of creating a new character and haven't got GS on them and want to get GS on them ASAP, I will recall rather than complete. When I get the shards I need I will complete and then craft.

If you have the ings to get your T3 ASAP and you're about to start Amrath etc where they can greatly assist it's a good idea.

Big difference between a speed shroud and a normal-stuff-around pug shroud though. I wouldn't not complete in a speed shroud because in my understanding of a speed shroud you don't loot as you go through (what is done on Khyber anyway - not sure if Sarlona is different).

I haven't seen speed shrouds like that, usually I'll give everyone enough time to loot and then we throw fom + fire resist and go. Haste can be thrown while we're running.

[MeliCat]

If you don't like it don't join a fast shroud. Nobody wants freaking protection from elements or spell resistance in part one. Honestly. Fast shroud means go and get it over with. Fom and fire resist in parts 2, 4 and 5.

And poison please if you don't have immunity to it. (By the time you're doing speed shrouds hopefully you have your own item or pot - I enjoy teasing people who don't) Or do you disagree with this?

But yeah. Over buffing drives me nuts. It's why I'll run my own shrouds rather than pug now.

[twigzz]

I know obviously recall before finish in part 5 is standard practice...what's the general consensus on this tho...it just always felt like cheating to me.....if we complete part 5 I always finish.

Now don't all you people who do this go thinking I am bashing you, because I am not. to each their own...just asking.

I farm from time to time depending on whats going on but most of the time I finish also. I mean why not? 20th's are a nice list to choose from. I recalled this time because I forgot to grab a shard out of the bank.

[Royalties]

Step 1: Cloak of ice clicky. use it. (-50% fire damage)
Step 2: Resist Fire. (30 point DR to fire)
Step 3: Ardor clicky + Aura. (duh!)
Step 4: ??? (something to do with spaming protection from elements or something otherwise entertaining)
Step 5: Profit. (you have won at the hardest raid in the game... oh wait!)


In other news, A Maximised/Empowered/Empowered healing[nd] (spelling?) Burst (rad serv) is more than enough healing with the aura up and allows you to throw in prayer/Recitation on the melee. This is in addition to other heals. Basicly standing out of melee gives nothing to a cleric other than limited options, Why would they willingly do this?

The aura isn't effected by maximize or empower, only by Devotion, Empower Healing, and Ardor pots/clickies. The burst on the other hand is beastly and is effected by all of the above.

[Royalties]

And poison please if you don't have immunity to it. (By the time you're doing speed shrouds hopefully you have your own item or pot - I enjoy teasing people who don't) Or do you disagree with this?

But yeah. Over buffing drives me nuts. It's why I'll run my own shrouds rather than pug now.

oh barskin plz.

I had a guy the other day that kept saying wood plz every time he wanted barskin. It was the most hilarious thing ever at the time. Of course I was sleep deprived and everything was funny then.

[vVAnjilaVv]

I play on all the servers, and only have not leveled characters high enough on Ghallanda and Khyber to be able to do Shrouds, but they are done very differently in general on all servers.......as far as not giving people time to loot or buff or what have you in between parts...that varies depending on the leader and party as a whole not really so much the server.

[MeliCat]

I haven't seen speed shrouds like that, usually I'll give everyone enough time to loot and then we throw fom + fire resist and go. Haste can be thrown while we're running.

I call those semi-speed. If I create a semi-speed 'cos I play at odd hours very often we get a group of 12 who want to complete and so we revert to speed. And yes any buffs that can be done on the run are done on the run. Part 1 all buffs done on the last portal as it is expected that only the arcanes will shrine and they can do their own. Part 4 starts as soon as a healer zones in so buffing is completed while playing with the trash mobs there. Buffing at end of part 3 done against the glass wall as anyone who needed to shrine should have done so at the end of part 2. You don't get individual buffs unless you ask for something - and you are expected to ask and know what you need.