Bard- Superheals and CC

[Exodinus]

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Azylia Supersong
Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 160
Spell Points: 946 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 17
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    10
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         10                    12
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             20                    28

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    22
Bluff                 5                     9
Concentration         4                    22
Diplomacy             5                    24
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                9                    32
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate            5                     9
Jump                  3                    20
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               9                    32
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     3
Spot                 -1                     2
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      9                    34

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Spell (1): Charm Person


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Otto's Resistable Dance


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Sonic Blast
Spell (2): Blur


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (2): Invisibility


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Spell (2): Rage
Spell (3): Charm Monster
Spell (3): Haste


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Good Hope


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Hold Monster


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Summon Monster V


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Mass Charm Monster


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (6): Heroes Feast


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Concentration I
Enhancement: Bard Concentration II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III

This is the build im currently using im at level 18 with it so far, the character planner did not have Spellsinger II so you will have to switch an enchantment or 2 out to get it as it is very important to the build.

With this build i use 2 rapiers with Wounding/punctering for DPS , Coupled with a hold of some kind the melee dps output can be quite brutal. especially if you can get Keen/Seeker in there too. ouchies.

Furthermore the healing output with a devotion/potency item and the good ol healing lore mace from Invaders tokens and my Elyd edge for song regeneration (ooo i cant wait for 20 to make it epic) is outright overpowered Songs the regenerate both my own SP and the parties SP + my large SP pool because of spellsinger makes it very viable for healing! (I ARE HEAL BOTH BLUE AND RED BARS MWUAHAUAHAUAH)

Lastly with the spell selection, spellpen feat, and enchantment focus your CC is also very powerful making this build also Viable for soloing with charms, holds ect. or just helping out your healing by making it so nothing attacks your party!

In Summary: Large regenerating SP pool for uberheals , Super CC and decent defense due to dex/buffs, And decent melee twf/finess dps with weakening weapons ect.

All around a great build so far, Everyone enjoys having me in they`re party because i keep thier Hp and SP full + plenty of awesome buffs. The only time i really have issues when soloing is when faced with a boss monster who does not have lackies with him for instance, A boss all by himself is difficult because generally immune to CC and holds. and no lackies to charm to fight with you making it a hack and slash spamheal yourself endevour impossible no difficult yes! On the otherhand the same senario with a bunch of lackies helping the boss becomes supereasy with one or two charm mass monsters and viola, the boss is killing his own guys while u stab him in the back.

Thats all on my build for now, please feel free to post your feedback on what u think or how u may change it for yourself! Personally great build with no complaints so far!

Who says bards cant heal hehehe.....

[AltheaSteelrain]

10 con? O.o

Dont come near me when we're in epic quests cuz I'm a AoE magnet >.<

[maddmatt70]

My suggestion is to never level to 20 and just stay level 19 that way you will never have to experience epics on a bard with 10 con that likes to melee. Oh and yes w/p is fairly ineffectual on epic.

[Claransa]

My suggestion is to never level to 20 and just stay level 19 that way you will never have to experience epics on a bard with 10 con that likes to melee. Oh and yes w/p is fairly ineffectual on epic.

Veering away from OP slightly I started my bard with 13 con, +2 tome and +5 stat item for end game total con of 20. Did I miss the mark or is that about right? Um I'm a spell singer L20 bard total unbuffed, by spells or songs, hp 307. Thanks just thought you might be able to advise me on this if not it's cool.

[maddmatt70]

Veering away from OP slightly I started my bard with 13 con, +2 tome and +5 stat item for end game total con of 20. Did I miss the mark or is that about right? Um I'm a spell singer L20 bard total unbuffed, by spells or songs, hp 307. Thanks just thought you might be able to advise me on this if not it's cool.

Well if you do not melee as a bard (other then the occasional dreamspitter) it is adviseable to be able to reach 400hp with outside buffs for instance with a yugoloth constitution pot and rage spell you are able to hit 400 hp. If you plan to melee as a bard add 50 hp at minimum so being able to reach 450 hp and probably should if you plan to melee keep up those outside buffs during most to all of an epic quest. Having 400 hp+ is good even for a non melee bard for places like the epic demon queen 2 so you can survive the blade barriors/blades.

With your build you can reach 400hp with outside buffs what you need is to make sure you wear a greater false life item, +6 con item, and get some tower rings for another +3 exceptional constitution i.e. get some combination to get you to 400+ hp.

[Exodinus]

You all seem to be complaining about my Con, but not taking into account that 10Con is just the base.. while buffed + my con item i have 20 or more... and if i was running epics i dont think i would be soloing and or meleeing. as it says in the title SUPERHEAL + CC.

The melee aspect, is only for soloing or when u have a great party that you dont need to heal every 10 seconds You can throw out a hold monster, melee the **** out of it and CON doesnt matter when a monster cant move.

That being said once again SUPERHEAL+ CC when running epics, ill be invised and healing the party in the event that i have monsters attacking me and my low hp/con comes into play i would have to blame another member of the party EI the tank.

As it currently stands at level 18... the only time i take dmg is from AOE attacks. wich are rare because i usually stand furtherback healing-CCing not running up meleeing like a shmuck.

So last and final time- SUPERHEAL+CC please dont bash the build for something its not trying to be :P

[Claransa]

Okay, thanks for the advise. I can self buff another 61 hps with greater hero, rage and songs so it sounds like I'm in the ballpark and I'm trying to acquire/fit in a greater false life item too. I'll investigate those other options as well!

Thanks again

[Aashrym]

You all seem to be complaining about my Con, but not taking into account that 10Con is just the base.. while buffed + my con item i have 20 or more... and if i was running epics i dont think i would be soloing and or meleeing. as it says in the title SUPERHEAL + CC.

The melee aspect, is only for soloing or when u have a great party that you dont need to heal every 10 seconds You can throw out a hold monster, melee the **** out of it and CON doesnt matter when a monster cant move.

That being said once again SUPERHEAL+ CC when running epics, ill be invised and healing the party in the event that i have monsters attacking me and my low hp/con comes into play i would have to blame another member of the party EI the tank.

As it currently stands at level 18... the only time i take dmg is from AOE attacks. wich are rare because i usually stand furtherback healing-CCing not running up meleeing like a shmuck.

So last and final time- SUPERHEAL+CC please dont bash the build for something its not trying to be :P

Healers die in epic too without the hp, unfortunately. I placed 14 Con starting CON on my cc/healer spellsinger and 16 CON on every other bard except the 12CON drow spellsinger that is long ago rerolled.

Those 40 hp from 4 more CON can save you more than you might think. It's possible to play with less, but more difficult and frustrating. When maddmatt warned you about epics he wasn't kidding or bashing, he was offering helpful advice.

[AltheaSteelrain]

You all seem to be complaining about my Con, but not taking into account that 10Con is just the base.. while buffed + my con item i have 20 or more... and if i was running epics i dont think i would be soloing and or meleeing. as it says in the title SUPERHEAL + CC.

The melee aspect, is only for soloing or when u have a great party that you dont need to heal every 10 seconds You can throw out a hold monster, melee the **** out of it and CON doesnt matter when a monster cant move.

That being said once again SUPERHEAL+ CC when running epics, ill be invised and healing the party in the event that i have monsters attacking me and my low hp/con comes into play i would have to blame another member of the party EI the tank.

As it currently stands at level 18... the only time i take dmg is from AOE attacks. wich are rare because i usually stand furtherback healing-CCing not running up meleeing like a shmuck.

So last and final time- SUPERHEAL+CC please dont bash the build for something its not trying to be :P

first, CC's will fail. monsters will succed their saves. What will you do then?

Second. Caster mobs deal **** tons of AoE damage. Can you tank a failed roll from a Chain Lightning spell? (Epic Red Fens)

Third. Even Barbs die in Epics. PuGs even faster. Can you sustain aggro when he is not getting a rez?

If you can solve those problems with your 10 con CC bard, i'd gladly group with you on my Gimp AA Bard Chanter w/ Heavy Picks as Backup.

Just try not to stick with me, I am AoE Magnet.

[Exodinus]

I understand where you guys are coming from with the low HP thing, but i honestly cannot see how loosing either a bunch of my casting ability and SP, or a bunch of my melee dps and defense just to increase my hp numbers by a minimal amount would be useful.

IF and when i get hit, one heal and im back to full and ofc ill be using a false life item, +6 con, Dragonic vital, ect to boost my HP up there and avoid wasting my points just to make a few extra numbers in my red bar.

as it stands now at lvl 18 i have just under 300hp unbuffed and get hit few and far between... with prot from elements, stoneskin wand, resists, blur,invis, shadowwalk, displacement i just never get hit even when i do rush in and melee for some fun im usuaully throwing out mass cure moderates that are healing me to full anyways.

The onlytime a monster would ever hit me for that amount would be if i was unbuffed, or it was a boss of somekind if a boss is hitting me it means the party is dead and i failed at healing anyway so i deserve to die too :P

That being said i just cannot justify taking points out of dex or cha to boost my con. and would rather focus on gear to boost my hp where needed.

[binderclip]

yes 10 con is too low. even with all the buffs and items and stuff...

and u will have a very low hp BEFORE u acquire all those buffs and items to help ur hp.

speaking from personal experience (250hp cleric). although i could and did solo heal various epics (von, sands [not raid], red fens, etc...) the experience is like riding on a thing edge where u kno a single mistake and u will fail... not fun.

besides.... ur "super CC/heal" ability means nothing when u cannot stay alive on ur own... u dont even have quicken or maxmize... u cant even get back to full health when u get hit by a bad aoe and get lucky to survive with 10 hp... just saying.

a good healer is one that can take care of him/herself while support the rest of the party. without the first part... u r a very dependent/situational toon where only function well in a pre-set, good environment.

[maddmatt70]

Okay, thanks for the advise. I can self buff another 61 hps with greater hero, rage and songs so it sounds like I'm in the ballpark and I'm trying to acquire/fit in a greater false life item too. I'll investigate those other options as well!

Thanks again

Do not count greater hero or songs which give you just temporary hit points only count items, spell or effects which increase your maximum hit points for instance the rage spell provides a +2 constiution increase which at level 20 is 20 more hp for your maximum hit points.

[KillEveryone]

I understand where you guys are coming from with the low HP thing, but i honestly cannot see how loosing either a bunch of my casting ability and SP, or a bunch of my melee dps and defense just to increase my hp numbers by a minimal amount would be useful.

IF and when i get hit,

You will be dead.

10 CON is too low.

Reduce your DEX and get a +2 Tome.

Better yet, focus on your CC and healing abilities. Don't try to do too much.

I tried 10 CON on a bard. Bards are a squishy class. I died easily even in normal content...NORMAL difficulty, NORMAL content.

10 CON is too low. Your HP will be way too low even with gear and tomes.

Epic trash will kill you fast even with gear and buffs. Even if you manage to survive one hit, you probably won't get that heal off fast enough to survive that second hit.

You cannot heal when you are dead.

[binderclip]

hm u responded before i finish writing my post

with prot from elements, stoneskin wand, resists

none of the above are ur natural spells, meaning u have to rely on wand/scrolls. and actually remember to refresh them all inbetween. dunno about your, but they are costly to me AND un-realistic to maintain full time.

invis, shadowwalk

cannot be use if u end up melee-ing.

The onlytime a monster would ever hit me for that amount would be if i was unbuffed, or it was a boss of somekind if a boss is hitting me it means the party is dead and i failed at healing anyway so i deserve to die too :P

caster mobs do dispell... and besides. ur stoneskin, prot from elem, etc.. are temporary protections, 1 hit from aoe or a melee mob usually take them away, and i doubt u will only take 1 hit when u DO get hit.

*besides... its not just about epic. even in shroud (lvl 16 quest) ur 300 hp is not ever goin to allow you to melee harry even on normal without evasion...

*all that being said, if u are so not convinced, welcome to try roll up the toon to 20, experience some epics, and either TR or delete/reroll the toon. People on the forum just trying to save u the trouble of having to go through that.

[AltheaSteelrain]

I understand where you guys are coming from with the low HP thing, but i honestly cannot see how loosing either a bunch of my casting ability and SP, or a bunch of my melee dps and defense just to increase my hp numbers by a minimal amount would be useful.

When you get hit for the first time in epics (example Epic Last Stand) and hit them back with your rapiers of whatever... Then you'll understand.

IF and when i get hit, one heal and im back to full and ofc ill be using a false life item, +6 con, Dragonic vital, ect to boost my HP up there and avoid wasting my points just to make a few extra numbers in my red bar.

And when you get hit again, then what? Heal some more? Heal and heal and just heal spamming? What ever happened with the CC Bard role then?

as it stands now at lvl 18 i have just under 300hp unbuffed and get hit few and far between... with prot from elements, stoneskin wand, resists, blur,invis, shadowwalk, displacement i just never get hit even when i do rush in and melee for some fun im usuaully throwing out mass cure moderates that are healing me to full anyways.

I got 332 on my Gimp AA bard unbuffed, its tad squishy but I get by with displace/stoneskin/flanking and making a group full of Casters and a Barb. Bonus Points if we both use x3 or x4 multiplier weapons. I still die by AoE Spell damage.


The onlytime a monster would ever hit me for that amount would be if i was unbuffed, or it was a boss of somekind if a boss is hitting me it means the party is dead and i failed at healing anyway so i deserve to die too :P

Not all monsters in Epics Melee. Lets see if you can survive a failed roll on a cometfall/chain lightning (epic last stand) with that con. I barely survive w/ my 386 (full buffed) hp. And I got 31 reflex saves on my Char w/o Evasion as well.


That being said i just cannot justify taking points out of dex or cha to boost my con. and would rather focus on gear to boost my hp where needed.

Try.

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[Exodinus]

I dont know if you all are aggro magnets or what. even if i had 1 con, it wouldnt freaking matter

I DONT GET HIT

i can run 5 quests in a row and get hit twice... either u guys are poor players who feel the need to stand right in the middle of the action getting aoe dumped on your heads or u go smack things the tank hasnt aggroed yet. im not sure but you all seem to think HP is your main stat.

so go head dump all your points into CON have 99999999 HP lol. it doesnt freaking make a diff..lets make this clear aside from the base stats u can see in the char builder.

on my equipt toon i have 30+ saves to reflex and will , 20+ to fort. 300approx HP and 37 AC 10 DR and 30 resistance to each school. +11 base spell resistance due to drow.

With the above stats again.. I DONT GET HIT and when i do... even on raids (shroud) ect. its minimal at most. one heal im right back to full. Arratreakos or whatever can shoot a met storm into my face one heal and im fine.

SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL WITH THE HUGE CON

noob protection? Yay i have a big hp pool i can run around and meatshield a bunch of dmg.

lol. Tanks are what have the big HP and i have big heals to keep them at big HP i hardly ever get hit because i work to avoid that. and in the event that i AM hit i can recover within 2 millaseconds. even if it leaves me with 10 HP (my heal bomb crits for 500`s 150norm. lol)+ i can cast other heals if i need it..

As to monsters saving against my CC, duh ofc there will be saves When im soloing i have multiple CC`s if i really wanted too depending on the monster i could pre-lay a dancing spheer, cast 2 holds and a charm before they reach me. if those 3 spells fail i can run around while playing a facinate if that fails too all the time they`re running in my dancing ball. its like saying what does a barb do when he misses with his axe.... ummm swing again? lol


you guys are making it sound like im a supersquish because i have 12 con unbuffed lol. when in reality im not... i can take hits just fine because HP has nothing to do with it.

in my eyes CON is only important when u PLAN on being hit. when your GOAL is to get smacked around. This toon wont be doing ANY of that unless soloing. and u dont solo epics so i still dont see the issue.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

I understand where you guys are coming from with the low HP thing, but i honestly cannot see how loosing either a bunch of my casting ability and SP, or a bunch of my melee dps and defense just to increase my hp numbers by a minimal amount would be useful.

IF and when i get hit, one heal and im back to full and ofc ill be using a false life item, +6 con, Dragonic vital, ect to boost my HP up there and avoid wasting my points just to make a few extra numbers in my red bar.

as it stands now at lvl 18 i have just under 300hp unbuffed and get hit few and far between... with prot from elements, stoneskin wand, resists, blur,invis, shadowwalk, displacement i just never get hit even when i do rush in and melee for some fun im usuaully throwing out mass cure moderates that are healing me to full anyways.

The onlytime a monster would ever hit me for that amount would be if i was unbuffed, or it was a boss of somekind if a boss is hitting me it means the party is dead and i failed at healing anyway so i deserve to die too :P

That being said i just cannot justify taking points out of dex or cha to boost my con. and would rather focus on gear to boost my hp where needed.

No, you really don't understand. If you did you would see how your dex is for all intensive purposes, worthless, and you would be far more viable switching dex and con around stat wise, and just conccentrate on your healing and cc as you state you want to with this build. Wounding and puncturing used to be the great, trust me I know and I miss it in certain quests, but it is no longer. No matter what other buffs you put on yourself, they are temporary and you will be a one hit wonder and dead weight in epics. There is no standing in the back, you will need survivability, and it will not happen with a 10 con. I am not trying to be mean, nor is anyone else here, we speak from experience. But if you need to fall on your face to learn the hard way, that's fine also. Have fun, and you'll be rerolling or TR'g with a higher con in no time.

[Exodinus]

Listen please people.

WHEN IM RUNNING A QUEST WITH A PARTY I WILL NOT BE MELEEING A GODANG THING FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.


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are we on the same page now?

[Aashrym]

I understand where you guys are coming from with the low HP thing, but i honestly cannot see how loosing either a bunch of my casting ability and SP, or a bunch of my melee dps and defense just to increase my hp numbers by a minimal amount would be useful.

IF and when i get hit, one heal and im back to full and ofc ill be using a false life item, +6 con, Dragonic vital, ect to boost my HP up there and avoid wasting my points just to make a few extra numbers in my red bar.

as it stands now at lvl 18 i have just under 300hp unbuffed and get hit few and far between... with prot from elements, stoneskin wand, resists, blur,invis, shadowwalk, displacement i just never get hit even when i do rush in and melee for some fun im usuaully throwing out mass cure moderates that are healing me to full anyways.

The onlytime a monster would ever hit me for that amount would be if i was unbuffed, or it was a boss of somekind if a boss is hitting me it means the party is dead and i failed at healing anyway so i deserve to die too :P

That being said i just cannot justify taking points out of dex or cha to boost my con. and would rather focus on gear to boost my hp where needed.

You can't heal yourself if you are at 0 hp or less. Wounding/puncturing won't work out for you. Your DPS without a focus in strength is also less than optimal.

It's your character and your build, but I except that it will not be as successful as you might expect.

I would listen to the get more CON advice.

[Teharahma]

I dont know if you all are aggro magnets or what. even if i had 1 con, it wouldnt freaking matter

I DONT GET HIT

i can run 5 quests in a row and get hit twice... either u guys are poor players who feel the need to stand right in the middle of the action getting aoe dumped on your heads or u go smack things the tank hasnt aggroed yet. im not sure but you all seem to think HP is your main stat.

so go head dump all your points into CON have 99999999 HP lol. it doesnt freaking make a diff..lets make this clear aside from the base stats u can see in the char builder.

on my equipt toon i have 30+ saves to reflex and will , 20+ to fort. 300approx HP and 37 AC 10 DR and 30 resistance to each school. +11 base spell resistance due to drow.

With the above stats again.. I DONT GET HIT and when i do... even on raids (shroud) ect. its minimal at most. one heal im right back to full. Arratreakos or whatever can shoot a met storm into my face one heal and im fine.

SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL WITH THE HUGE CON

noob protection? Yay i have a big hp pool i can run around and meatshield a bunch of dmg.

lol. Tanks are what have the big HP and i have big heals to keep them at big HP i hardly ever get hit because i work to avoid that. and in the event that i AM hit i can recover within 2 millaseconds. even if it leaves me with 10 HP (my heal bomb crits for 500`s 150norm. lol)+ i can cast other heals if i need it..

As to monsters saving against my CC, duh ofc there will be saves When im soloing i have multiple CC`s if i really wanted too depending on the monster i could pre-lay a dancing spheer, cast 2 holds and a charm before they reach me. if those 3 spells fail i can run around while playing a facinate if that fails too all the time they`re running in my dancing ball. its like saying what does a barb do when he misses with his axe.... ummm swing again? lol


you guys are making it sound like im a supersquish because i have 12 con unbuffed lol. when in reality im not... i can take hits just fine because HP has nothing to do with it.

in my eyes CON is only important when u PLAN on being hit. when your GOAL is to get smacked around. This toon wont be doing ANY of that unless soloing. and u dont solo epics so i still dont see the issue.

You really don't get it do you..?
Your HP will be too low, I would never, ever take you on any of my groups. Also how bout dumping some dex for con ? What use is all that dex ?