Loot roll automating

[NinjaNeed]

Following on from all the drama about ninja rollers last weekend I have a suggestion....

Make the rolling for BTA/BTC items automatic!

Give the group/raid leader an option to put any item up for roll, this option would need to be ok'd by the person who the loot is originally intended for. Then everyone else in the group gets a pop up option to roll for the loot. When everyone has rolled (and to prevent idiots, after a maximum length of time) the rolls happen, all is displayed in chat log and then the winner automatically loots the item being rolled on.

Example:

Revers group, 12 people. A through L. A is leader.

Madstone Boots drops for raid member D but he already has them/does not want them. Raid leader A see's them in the chest after all trash loot is gone and clicks his option to put them up to roll. Player D confirms. Players A, B, E and G roll on them. G wins and auto loots them!

Now there is no way that player G could have rolled on them on behalf of player B as he has now looted them and can not pass them. However, if they dropped for him then he would still have the option to allocate his loot to player B if he wanted to.

Of course this removes a bit of the common sense aspect of loot, especially when dealing with them boots that casters ALWAYS roll on despite them being useless for them (not being able to cast a spell for 2 mins = useless) but it would prevent drama where people roll for their friends.

[protokon]

I think the mechanic needs a few tweaks, but your on the right track. very good idea indeed to stop proxy rolling.

[NinjaNeed]

I think the mechanic needs a few tweaks, but your on the right track. very good idea indeed to stop proxy rolling.

Thank you. Was just an initial idea, figured it would need tweaking but its got to be better than the current system

[Zuldar]

Interesting idea, though I'd recommend removing the party leader from the equation. Just have whoever the loot belongs to decide whether to put it up for roll or not.

[Dragavon]

An excellent idea!

Here is how I would suggest it should work:

1: Exclude raid loot from the loot all function. You should only be able to remove raid loot by clicking on the item.

2: When you click on a raid piece you should get a dialog box asking you if you (a) want to loot the item, or (b) give it away to a roll. If you select (a) the item goes directly to your inventory, if you select (b) the item goes to a roll.

3: When a player gives away a raid piece all other members of the raid still in the instance should get a dialogue box asking if they want to roll. Give them 15 seconds to confirm or dismiss. When those 15 seconds have passed the item should go directly to the highest roller's inventory and bind.

This should remove all raid loot drama

[testing1234]

two people go afk have dinner when they come back all others have left and he who has the item can put up for for roll and the only one left is his friend who wanted item.

its a good idea but need need be a limit to how long after you opened the chest the roll can be made so people who wants to roll can if they want wait for the 30mintues to see if he puts item up for roll

[MateCarefor]

Almost sounds like the Need/Greed rolling systems of other MMOs

Honestly, though, your loot chance is rolled when the chest pops, right?
Anything beyond that is the old Division of Spoils over the table at the Inn after the adventure, in a way?

So, what if when 'your' loot pops, you are the only one that sees it.
The current drop down list lets you trade to another player - so add another option on that list to make it visible for all to see and be up for a roll.
It appears in the chest, and a roll toggle appears for everyone else
OR
The game auto rolls, and assigns it to another party member anonymously. They can then take it, or use the dropdown to pass it, or use the same option to put it up for a roll / autoshuffle pass again.
Round and round it goes - lol.

That way once you commit it to the roll, it is out of your hands regardless if the Barb or the Wizzie rolls on it or who stepped on who's toes about .... whatever the root of loot drama happens to be at that moment.

Less bullying, drama, etc, and less entitlement issues.

I would definitely not be in favor of allowing anyone to be a Master Looter in this game, however; Raid Leader or not.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Give the group/raid leader an option

I almost stopped reading here. Any rule that puts control in the raid leaders hands does not meet with my approval.

An autoassign option isn't much better in the hands of a party member because they not want to let everyone roll on their loot. They may prefer that the Bard gets first kick at the Bard's cloak for example, even though the sorc might want it for the chr bonus. One person might be ok if you are rolling for your TR to use it, another might want priority for "current life use".

I know where you are coming from, but I don't think it would be an improvement.

[Hendrik]

I almost stopped reading here. Any rule that puts control in the raid leaders hands does not meet with my approval.

An autoassign option isn't much better in the hands of a party member because they not want to let everyone roll on their loot. They may prefer that the Bard gets first kick at the Bard's cloak for example, even though the sorc might want it for the chr bonus. One person might be ok if you are rolling for your TR to use it, another might want priority for "current life use".

I know where you are coming from, but I don't think it would be an improvement.

Nor mine!

Methinks the OP was not around for our original token drop mechanic and how utterly messed up that was.

[Memnir]

No thank you, for many reasons.

[grimbot]

I like the concept, but it does not prevent the idea of "ninja-rolling" from happening. This is how people ninja in other games. They just roll on everything, whether they need it nor not. Raid rolls and a lootmaster are generally a better way to go under these systems, which is basically what happens in DDO, except everyone is their own lootmaster. I think the solution to proxy rolls is to end the trade-in-chest approach, and assigning loot to someone makes them loot it.