Additional action points beyond level 20

[stoolcannon]

I would love to see a system that utilizes the XP still gained after hitting cap. I'm still running lots of quests where I see 10-15k XP as the reward and was thinking perhaps one way to continue to reward players for all the work they do beyond 20 would be to give them an extra action point for every X number of XP earned beyond level 20. Sure, it could even be a ridiculous amount, let's say 500k XP to gain 1 AP for a maximum of 5 extra AP earned beyond level 20 or some such but at least it would provide a reward system for those folks that don't want to TR. TR's would benefit too once they cap and decide not to TR again so they are still incrementally more powerful than a non-TR would be.

I think this fits within the boundaries of building and maturing a character. The character is going to continue to learn more/become better over time so a gained AP or two makes sense.

[Goldeneye]

Not a bad idea. Even the smallest bonus would encourage people to care about xp.
I imagine a exponential scale:

XP After 20:

• 1,000,000: +1 AP.
• 2,000,000: +1 AP
• 4,000,000: +1 AP
• 8,000,000: +1 AP

...or somehow relating XP after to level 20 to Guild Renown or Turbine points!

[stoolcannon]

Not a bad idea. Even the smallest bonus would encourage people to care about xp.
I imagine a exponential scale:

XP After 20:

• 1,000,000: +1 AP.
• 2,000,000: +1 AP
• 4,000,000: +1 AP
• 8,000,000: +1 AP

...or somehow relating XP after to level 20 to Guild Renown or Turbine points!

Yeah I'd even be in favor if it was at the ridiculously high levels you've listed above (although the upper end of that probably isn't even possible due to repetition reductions).

[stoolcannon]

and I like the fact that it doesn't blow apart the current level cap system but rather just reflects the fact that characters would continue to hone their skills and become better over time.

[Goldeneye]

I'd like to see an almost "passive-system"
Where it isn't as much of a grind, as a benefit that you will unlock just from normal playing as a reward for remaining dedicated to a toon.

having a crazy high XP cost will benefit those that run a wide variety of quests... since the xp will have long dried out in shroud...etc

[Xaearth]

No.

Enhancements points are too important to the majority of builds as it is now, and having a hard time choosing where to place those points is a good thing. It means the enhancements are somewhat balanced.

Sure, TRs already give benefit for an xp grind, but it's very limited (stat points can't go over the cap at creation, and the feats you receive are pre-determined).

Giving people the option to get whatever extra enhancements they want with more AP would be a completely different ballgame and one much more difficult to balance.

[Goldeneye]

I think it could be done in a non-game changing way.

Giving someone 4 more action points would be a well-deserved reward, however I can't imagine it would be game-breaking.

...of course there would have to be a "practical limit"... and that's why I like a exponential scale. I would design the system so that it wouldn't be practical to get more then 5-8 additional action points. (Imagine the 9th AP costing 400,000,000xp)

[stoolcannon]

No.

Enhancements points are too important to the majority of builds as it is now, and having a hard time choosing where to place those points is a good thing. It means the enhancements are somewhat balanced.

Sure, TRs already give benefit for an xp grind, but it's very limited (stat points can't go over the cap at creation, and the feats you receive are pre-determined).

Giving people the option to get whatever extra enhancements they want with more AP would be a completely different ballgame and one much more difficult to balance.

I don't think it would break the game if it had a low upper limit. I'm not suggesting adding 20 points but maybe 2-4. There would be an upper limit anyway if you set the XP bar high since you would eventually just run out of XP.

I think it could be done in a non-game changing way.

Giving someone 4 more action points would be a well-deserved reward, however I can't imagine it would be game-breaking.

...of course there would have to be a "practical limit"... and that's why I like a exponential scale. I would design the system so that it wouldn't be practical to get more then 5-8 additional action points. (Imagine the 9th AP costing 400,000,000xp)

[Trillea]

The only way I could maybe see a way to get more AP on a character without it unbalancing the system is to maybe sacrifice a feat for 2 AP or something.

[Goldeneye]

Ha ha. Trading a feat for AP - we'd see a ton of Half-Orc fighters spring up :P

[Scraap]

I could see it. Essentially using the first 20 levels as an initial focus, then hitting cap and broadening your horizons.

As to limitations, well, if they really wanted to drive VIP/pack sales, the first time you get a given epic quest completion, which they track already in the favor listing, you get 1 and only 1 AP. That would keep it locked into a controllable expansion rate for them.

[Goldeneye]

What do you guys think of relating XP after level 20 to other rewards, such as Turbine Points, or Guild Renown?

Imagine Every 1,000,000 XP gained after level 20 would give you 25 TP?

[stoolcannon]

What do you guys think of relating XP after level 20 to other rewards, such as Turbine Points, or Guild Renown?

Imagine Every 1,000,000 XP gained after level 20 would give you 25 TP?

I could see that but I don't think it would be enough incentive for me to stay at level 20 vs TR if that's what I was aiming to do.

[Asketes]

i was thinking something like:

at the end of every TR you get 1 extra action point more than you had the previous life

life one: 80
life 2: 81
life 3: 82
life 4: 83

[Thargnar]

Yep, some form of alternate advancement would be very cool, and that would still give reward for running quests at 20 where you don't need any of the loot or drops from it.

[Goldeneye]

at the end of every TR you get 1 extra action point more than you had the previous life

Hell no. we need more reason to Not-TR.
Stop TR'ing and come run EPICS w/ me!

[stoolcannon]

lol that's how I feel. I don't really want to TR. I worked hard to get my toon to 20 and geared with good items/epic items and don't have much interest in nerfing him down to level 1 to start the grind all over and not have access to my gear for a long period of time.

I was thinking this suggestion might give a small boost to those folks who don't want to TR while still offering the same benefit to TR's so they don't get left out in the cold just because they did choose to TR.

[Asketes]

Hell no. we need more reason to Not-TR.
Stop TR'ing and come run EPICS w/ me!

I would end up as a wf w/ 3 x pally, fighter, barb & monk past lives with a couple ranger and .. rogue? on top..

[Lithic]

i was thinking something like:

at the end of every TR you get 1 extra action point more than you had the previous life

life one: 80
life 2: 81
life 3: 82
life 4: 83

Heh if only

[Asketes]

Heh if only

yeah mr. completionist..


then i suppose every 2 trs