kukri should be a monk weapon

[CSFurious]

a kukri is a big knife that originated in Asia

a kama is a farming implement that was used in Asia

both kukris and kamas are used in martial arts originating in Asia

devs, for the sake of giving monks another finesse-based slicer to use & just plain common-sense, please make the kukri a martial weapon for the monk class

that is all

[Karrai]

Guess what, Asia does not exist in Eberron.

[Impaqt]

Daggers would make more sense IMO.

[CSFurious]

but, we all know from D&D history that the monk came from Oriental Adventures which was set in an Asian-themed locale (i still remember reading that book many times during my 10-year-old ninja phase)

anyway, it is beyond dispute that both the kama & the throwing star are of Asian-origin

therefore, your Eberron comparison does not hold water because using your faulty logic neither kamas nor throwing stars would exist there either

Guess what, Asia does not exist in Eberron.

[Coldin]

Kukri's aren't monk weapons in PnP. Enough said.

I wouldn't mind seeing some Siangham make their way into the game though.

[Impaqt]

I just dontunderstand why it would of been difficult to imlement a couple more real monk weapons... Said could use the same animation as a dagger bud do Bludgeon damage and siangham could just use the Dagger animation as well but do Pierceing.

[Kronik]

How about a Sickle?

I thought that was a monk weapon too.

[fatherpirate]

technically, monks used about every weapon listed...except maybe crossbows

long swords, axes, daggers, bows...ect...ect..
just depends on the base form, kung fu itself used a bunch of weapons.

As for this game, yes I think monk needs a few more weapons.

[Gauery]

The Sickle is a european invention based off of the kama. The blade was curved more to allow a shorter stroke to do the same work as the kama. Kukri is mainly a SE Asian weapon used for hunting and battle curved to inflict mass damage with little effort(or so my old text books said). Seeing how The OA books were mainly Northern China and Japanese influenced the kukri would be aa exotic weapon to the Northern Tibetan monks the book takes the class from. Yet again another degree wasted on gaming debates lol. Anywho I could have sworn that sickles, scythes, the like were monk weapons in 3.5 ?

[Alavatar]

In my opinion this all would have been solved if the Monk had originally been referred to as a Pugilist, thereby not putting either a religious, geographic, or philosophical conotation to the class. This would make the classed name general similar to the generic Fighter, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Paladin, Bard, Sorcerer, and Barbarian classes. Then, as a generic class, the Pugilist weapons could be defined by a specific Type, such as light simple weapons or something.

I blame TSR since they had monks in AD&D 1st Edition (I think).

[MysticTheurge]

Special monk weapons: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham.

That's it, unless you expand it via feats.

[KristovK]

In my opinion this all would have been solved if the Monk had originally been referred to as a Pugilist, thereby not putting either a religious, geographic, or philosophical conotation to the class. This would make the classed name general similar to the generic Fighter, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Paladin, Bard, Sorcerer, and Barbarian classes. Then, as a generic class, the Pugilist weapons could be defined by a specific Type, such as light simple weapons or something.

I blame TSR since they had monks in AD&D 1st Edition (I think).

The original Monk WAS a Monk, from a monastery, and was bound by very strict rules of conduct. Weapons allowed were bo stick, club, crossbow, dagger, hand axe, javelin, jo stick, pole arm, spear and staff. All of which are actually used by most monastic orders of the Tibetian/Chinese traditions, including the crossbow(the Chinese had extremely advanced crossbows). The Monk class was exactly what it says in the original game, and playing one was even more difficult then playing a Paladin.

Now, as for the kukri being a Monk weapon just because it's from Asia...huh? The kukri was a tool used by the peoples of the Indonesian area, which is technically Asia, but it wasn't a well known tool or weapon in the rest of Asia, any more than the shuriken was well known and used in Indonesia. That's like saying the Chinese should all be proficent with the katana because it's from Asia, despite the fact that it was a weapon specific to the warrior class of Japan and wasn't used elsewhere in Asia. Matter of fact, the Chinese preferred the saber or a thin bladed light sword over the katana, and there were a LOT more Chinese than Japanese, so by your logic, the Samurai should actually have been using the saber?

[Rameses]

a kukri is a big knife that originated in Asia

a kama is a farming implement that was used in Asia

both kukris and kamas are used in martial arts originating in Asia

devs, for the sake of giving monks another finesse-based slicer to use & just plain common-sense, please make the kukri a martial weapon for the monk class

that is all

If by Asian you mean this. Then you are absolutley; maybe right.

I am, Rameses!

[CSFurious]

who says the D&D monk is from the shaolin temple?

honestly, i do not care anymore, i am just going to fight empty-handed on my first monk

The original Monk WAS a Monk, from a monastery, and was bound by very strict rules of conduct. Weapons allowed were bo stick, club, crossbow, dagger, hand axe, javelin, jo stick, pole arm, spear and staff. All of which are actually used by most monastic orders of the Tibetian/Chinese traditions, including the crossbow(the Chinese had extremely advanced crossbows). The Monk class was exactly what it says in the original game, and playing one was even more difficult then playing a Paladin.

Now, as for the kukri being a Monk weapon just because it's from Asia...huh? The kukri was a tool used by the peoples of the Indonesian area, which is technically Asia, but it wasn't a well known tool or weapon in the rest of Asia, any more than the shuriken was well known and used in Indonesia. That's like saying the Chinese should all be proficent with the katana because it's from Asia, despite the fact that it was a weapon specific to the warrior class of Japan and wasn't used elsewhere in Asia. Matter of fact, the Chinese preferred the saber or a thin bladed light sword over the katana, and there were a LOT more Chinese than Japanese, so by your logic, the Samurai should actually have been using the saber?

[Strakeln]

Special monk weapons: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham.

That's it, unless you expand it via feats.

We've all seen those in game, under the guise of daggers.

[Scar_Weaver]

Guess what, Asia does not exist in Eberron.

LOL! Nothing else to add but the OP has a decent point.

[Auran82]

We've all seen those in game, under the guise of daggers.

Except Sai are blunt, not piercing.

[Strakeln]

Except Sai are blunt, not piercing.

That depends on how you use it!

[QuantumFX]

Not to mention that the Eberron campaign allows a monk to add 3 more weapons to the monk special weapon list via feats: Whirling Steel Strike (Longsword), Double Steel Strike (Two-bladed Sword) and Serpent Strike (Longspear). (I think Keith Baker is a fan of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.) Now I understand that 2 of those weapons aren't in game but I can't find a single optional Eberron specific monk feat in game. (ex. Flensing Strike, White Scorpion Strike, Sudden Willow Strike)

Unfortunately I think Turbine's gonna have to start thinking about adding missing weapon types to the game. And, unfortunately, that means investing more than $2.50 and a coupon for a free pizza in the animation budget.

[MysticTheurge]

And, unfortunately, that means investing more than $2.50 and a coupon for a free pizza in the animation budget.

Ouch.

You've seen the new unarmed animations, right?