Beware of Share !!

[Failedlegend]

I really don't know what your guys problems are when I put up an lfm for a PUG I just grab the first 5 that apply and were good to go...if they ask for share...guess...i click the share button who cares if hes right by the quest entrance that gives the player a handy little arrow pointing them to the entrance. Now don't get me wrong I've had some bad pugs but 60% of the time it's because of some overconfident TR or "Vet". The other 40% is because their a NEW player that just needs some guidance.

[soloman]

I really don't know what your guys problems are when I put up an lfm for a PUG I just grab the first 5 that apply and were good to go...if they ask for share...guess...i click the share button who cares if hes right by the quest entrance that gives the player a handy little arrow pointing them to the entrance. Now don't get me wrong I've had some bad pugs but 60% of the time it's because of some overconfident TR or "Vet". The other 40% is because their a NEW player that just needs some guidance.

@ This: "Youve been dismissed from Sistasoles party"

Four things you need to consider

1. Your idea of a good or bad pug is likely much different than mine.

2. Just because someone has wings by their name, it does not mean they are a good player or a veteran.

3. You probably dont mind peeps asking for a Share because you do it often yourself.

4. I truly dont mind new players or someone not familiar with an instance, its the folks who are in denial of their noobness that can make for a terrible pug.

Case supporting #4~ Running a Shroud a while back I gave direction at the end of Pt.1 having the caster (who was asked if he knew his role multiple times and he responded each time that he was) to go to the crystal.

In pt.2 Mobs go down and I say to caster "light it up" he then replies "OK"
Crystal still hasnt went down (Im thinking lag or something) So I say "Burn the crystal!" Caster again replies "OK"

Mobs respawn. I say "Caster! why didnt you light the crystal?" he says "Sorry but....wheres the crystal?"

[Dulcimerist]

bwa ha ha hagaagghkkk kough kough koughkaak!!!


That's me coughing up the mouthful of hot BBQ chicken I was chewing on when I read your reply.

(seriously, now I have chicken bits everywhere).

He choked his chicken?

[Falith12]

I know sometimes asking for a share is noobish, but seriously. Especially if everyone is in-quest, i will ask for share to just get in faster, especially if its like chrono and the giver is far away.

[Hunta-EU]

We all know that sometimes getting a share can save some time getting the last man in but lets be honest you know exactly what you dealing with when people ask for a share when its a walk in or chain quest.

Its even funnier when u explain this and they demand again as if this doesnt change anything, noobs will be noobs I dont always boot them but it depends on their attitude.

p.s. everyone knows jesus is a halfling (they were much shorter in them days)

[wwishie]

Ah, this is the thread where some smug elitist pixel mover shows his superiority complex by prejudging players based on a simple question. Then the rest of thread is filled by a flock of fanboys chiming in.

Instead of using a group as an opportunity to teach new players, nature them and help them grow as both gamers and as part of the DDO community, we'll just jump to conclusions based on someone asking for a little help. Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

But I do thank the OP for starting this thread, as it gives me insight on who the tools are on this server that need to focus on humility. If you don't want to be bothered helping others, just play within your "Im better than you" clique, or better yet, remove yourselves from the internet.

And to the poster whining about being asked for a share during a pull in elite Chronos, next time wait for a full group before starting the run, you needy 10 watt bulb. Or take down the LFG if you don't want to be bothered. Oh, Im sorry, its not your fault that you cant wait to respond to an in-party query for a minute or two, its got to be someone else's fault.

And for those of you who boot players for asking for a share, you can expect me to drop group right after you boot them. If a person is judged by the company you keep, I don't want to be part of your company anyhow.

[Delt]

Ah, this is the thread where some smug elitist pixel mover shows his superiority complex by prejudging players based on a simple question. Then the rest of thread is filled by a flock of fanboys chiming in.

Instead of using a group as an opportunity to teach new players, nature them and help them grow as both gamers and as part of the DDO community, we'll just jump to conclusions based on someone asking for a little help. Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

But I do thank the OP for starting this thread, as it gives me insight on who the tools are on this server that need to focus on humility. If you don't want to be bothered helping others, just play within your "Im better than you" clique, or better yet, remove yourselves from the internet.

And to the poster whining about being asked for a share during a pull in elite Chronos, next time wait for a full group before starting the run, you needy 10 watt bulb. Or take down the LFG if you don't want to be bothered. Oh, Im sorry, its not your fault that you cant wait to respond to an in-party query for a minute or two, its got to be someone else's fault.

And for those of you who boot players for asking for a share, you can expect me to drop group right after you boot them. If a person is judged by the company you keep, I don't want to be part of your company anyhow.

Thread hit a little close to home, eh?

I don't recall anyone bashing new players for the reasons you stated...in fact, it's the opposite (unless they didnt read the LFM). And your details on the Chrono run were mixed up. Hope you read LFMs better than the forums

[Razcar]

Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

Yes, maybe. Or in some cases, maybe not. The ones that have just forgotten/dont know often say so, gets the share and proceed to perform fine.

While the ones who lacks the common decency to say hello before they burp their "shr plz" many times won't listen to instructions, will perform badly, will die a lot, won't help others while expecting to get helped themselves, are rude and are bad teamplayers. Always? No. Often? In my experience, yes. Unfortunately.

[wwishie]

Yes, maybe. Or in some cases, maybe not. The ones that have just forgotten/dont know often say so, gets the share and proceed to perform fine.

While the ones who lacks the common decency to say hello before they burp their "shr plz" many times won't listen to instructions, will perform badly, will die a lot, won't help others while expecting to get helped themselves, are rude and are bad teamplayers. Always? No. Often? In my experience, yes. Unfortunately.

Yes, I agree that spaming share plz or asking for it right of the bat is alittle blunt, it seems the OP is irked about anyone asking for a share, no matter how cordial they are:

"Anyways, if you are a solid player but a bit on the lazy side, please refrain from asking for a share if you join one of my groups. And for the rest of you party leaders out there,...Beware of Share!!!!!!"

so basically he doesn't even want what he considers "Solid" players in his group to have even the most simple request, as if the question is one that mortals shouldn't bother a deity such as himself with.

[Astars]

For Hound or VoD pugging i share quest out of principle: I wanna know ahead of time if some of the party is on timer/forgot to get the reward

Share early, share often (as Larry said)

[andbr22]

Yeah yeah... for sure people kick others when they ask for share "Relict of Sovergin Past"...
Also they kick other when they ask to share HoX or VoD (when all are at quest entrance (or even are "party buffed" at begining).

Also sometimes you can forget where the quest is even if you runed it quite number of times... I always mix quests in house J (hounted libary)... It is the same as expect from every TR to know "THE PIT"...

[EKKM]

Ah, this is the thread where some smug elitist pixel mover shows his superiority complex by prejudging players based on a simple question. Then the rest of thread is filled by a flock of fanboys chiming in.

Instead of using a group as an opportunity to teach new players, nature them and help them grow as both gamers and as part of the DDO community, we'll just jump to conclusions based on someone asking for a little help. Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

But I do thank the OP for starting this thread, as it gives me insight on who the tools are on this server that need to focus on humility. If you don't want to be bothered helping others, just play within your "Im better than you" clique, or better yet, remove yourselves from the internet.

And to the poster whining about being asked for a share during a pull in elite Chronos, next time wait for a full group before starting the run, you needy 10 watt bulb. Or take down the LFG if you don't want to be bothered. Oh, Im sorry, its not your fault that you cant wait to respond to an in-party query for a minute or two, its got to be someone else's fault.

And for those of you who boot players for asking for a share, you can expect me to drop group right after you boot them. If a person is judged by the company you keep, I don't want to be part of your company anyhow.

The issue isn't sharing a quest, it's when the first thing the the person types is "shr plz". It indicates a lack of social skills in a game that requires teamwork.

Do you think it is inappropriate to expect someone to say "hello" before asking for a share?

Yeah yeah... for sure people kick others when they ask for share "Relict of Sovergin Past"...
Also they kick other when they ask to share HoX or VoD (when all are at quest entrance (or even are "party buffed" at begining).

Also sometimes you can forget where the quest is even if you runed it quite number of times... I always mix quests in house J (hounted libary)... It is the same as expect from every TR to know "THE PIT"...

It is impossible to kick someone at the entrance to VoD or HoX as it is a private instance.

[PopeJual]

It would be ABSOLUTELY acceptable (and preferable) to ask where the quest giver is, and you will get a MUCH warmer reception in all groups you join. Your final point is dead on, but more likely you will be told where to get it, and then you will know where to go to get your reward at the end too!

This.

I've had consistantly horrible experiences with people who start a conversation with some variation on "shr plz". I've also had challenging experiences with new players who don't know what they're doing, but I actually like that challenge as long as the new player is making some sort of effort to learn the game.

If I have the star and someone starts their conversation with "shr plz", they'll get booted immediately. Whether I have the star or not, I'll probably end up giving the new player who asks questions that aren't "shr plz" a decent amount of plat and either a few useful wands or random other useful gear to help them get started if they seem like they're enjoying the game and making an effort to get better at it.

[soloman]

ah, This Is The Thread Where Some Smug Elitist Pixel Mover Shows His Superiority Complex By Prejudging Players Based On A Simple Question. Then The Rest Of Thread Is Filled By A Flock Of Fanboys Chiming In.

You Obviously Dont Know Me. Im Not An Elitist By Any Means, I Have Just Played This Game Long Enough That I Have Standards As To What I Tolerate When I Play.

Instead Of Using A Group As An Opportunity To Teach New Players, Nature Them And Help Them Grow As Both Gamers And As Part Of The Ddo Community, We'll Just Jump To Conclusions Based On Someone Asking For A Little Help. Maybe That Person Is Repeating The Quest And Forgot The Exact Location, Or Perhaps Its Been A While Since They Ran It..

New Players Have To Take It Upon Their Own Shoulders first. Research The Quest, Quest Giver, Location Ect, Before They Click To Join. You Obviously Are Self Righteous Enough To Think That It Is The Experienced Players Obligation To Hold Your Hand. When you pay for my monthly subscription, you will be more than welcome to tell me what I should be doing on this game. Untill then its my dime.

But I Do Thank The Op For Starting This Thread, As It Gives Me Insight On Who The Tools Are On This Server That Need To Focus On Humility. If You Don't Want To Be Bothered Helping Others, Just Play Within Your "im Better Than You" Clique, Or Better Yet, Remove Yourselves From The Internet...

Im A Tool? Me Thinks Its Not My Supposed Superiority Complex Thats The Culprit Here. Your Inferiority Complex Is What Is Holding Court In Your Post.

And For Those Of You Who Boot Players For Asking For A Share, You Can Expect Me To Drop Group Right After You Boot Them. If A Person Is Judged By The Company You Keep, I Don't Want To Be Part Of Your Company Anyhow....

I Am Sure It Will Be A Big Loss. You Are Obviously The Best Thing Since Sliced Bread. Elitist Me Thinks.

[PopeJual]

Ah, this is the thread where some smug elitist pixel mover shows his superiority complex by prejudging players based on a simple question. Then the rest of thread is filled by a flock of fanboys chiming in.

Instead of using a group as an opportunity to teach new players, nature them and help them grow as both gamers and as part of the DDO community, we'll just jump to conclusions based on someone asking for a little help. Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

I like helping new players that want to be helped. I like teaching new players some of the tricks of DDO (things like targeting a mob and then turning sideways before you throw down that wall of fire to change the wall's orientation or even just using the F-keys and backspace to quickly target allies for buffs and/or healing). I like teaching. That's why I went into the profession.

But why would I want to help someone who doesn't want to my help? Why would I want to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught? I get a real thrill out of teaching somene calculus when they didn't think they were any good at math. I get no thrill from teaching in front of a student who has his or her head down on their desk because they've decided that they're not interested in learning.

"What house?" and "where is the questgiver" and "what resists should I cast in here" and similar questions *will* slow down the party if we're hoping for a quick zerg-y run through the dungeon, but I *always* answer questions like those. "Shr plz" as the opening line from a person who joins the quest has consistantly indicated that the person joining has no interest in actually putting forth any effort of their own and will be an active liability in the quest.

[justagame]

Ah, this is the thread where some smug elitist pixel mover shows his superiority complex by prejudging players based on a simple question. Then the rest of thread is filled by a flock of fanboys chiming in.

Instead of using a group as an opportunity to teach new players, nature them and help them grow as both gamers and as part of the DDO community, we'll just jump to conclusions based on someone asking for a little help. Maybe that person is repeating the quest and forgot the exact location, or perhaps its been a while since they ran it.

But I do thank the OP for starting this thread, as it gives me insight on who the tools are on this server that need to focus on humility. If you don't want to be bothered helping others, just play within your "Im better than you" clique, or better yet, remove yourselves from the internet.

And to the poster whining about being asked for a share during a pull in elite Chronos, next time wait for a full group before starting the run, you needy 10 watt bulb. Or take down the LFG if you don't want to be bothered. Oh, Im sorry, its not your fault that you cant wait to respond to an in-party query for a minute or two, its got to be someone else's fault.

And for those of you who boot players for asking for a share, you can expect me to drop group right after you boot them. If a person is judged by the company you keep, I don't want to be part of your company anyhow.

This has nothing at all to do with elitism, or with being unwilling to help others. This isn't about booting somebody who says "****, I forget where the quest giver is, would someone mind sharing?" Or "hey, I'm new, can someone help me pick up this quest?" With the exception of speed runs (which newbies should avoid), I seldom see veteran players respond poorly to someone who is considerate, willing to listen, and asks for help.

But we all know there are players out there who are uncommunicative and uncooperative, who never pay attention, and ignore party instructions. I've lost count of the number of messed up quests from the guy who picks up the key or other vital object and ignores numerous party tells asking "who has the key?" -- and similar situations. Or the one who ignores always pleas to group for a mass buff (haste!), or a mass cure, then asks for it later. The one who aggros the boss before you're prepared to take him down. The one who, rather than admit they would benefit from advice or help, is instead hoping the party will carry him and not notice. From a cleric's perspective, this is the guy that's often responsible for eating most of your mana, and consummables, without contributing much of anything. Who ignores tells to the point where you think he doesn't even have party chat on, until you see the frantic tell demanding "HEALZ!"

Enough of us have been in these frustrating, often failure-inducing situations, that we would all like to avoid them. So we look for warning signs. And like it or not, "SHR PLZ" is a pretty good warning sign. It's not perfect, it's not right 100% of the time, but it's pretty darned good. "SHR PLZ" isn't the newcomer eager to learn and looking for help. "SHR PLZ" isn't the knowledgable player who forgot to pick up the quest. Most of the time, "SHR PLZ" is the person described above. Maybe kicking "SHR PLZ" might seem rude, it might even, as you state, make you drop group. But the vast majority of the time, kicking "SHR PLZ" is going to do the other party members a huge favor.

[Coldin]

This thread makes me disappointed in our community.

[Hardehar]

Call me an old fuddy duddy if you will, but I'm more likely to respond favourably to:
"Could I have a share please, I don't know where the quest is."

then I am to:

"Shar plz"

for some reason it just bugs me that this guy is in so much of a rush he can't even pause long enough to type an extra few keystrokes for the sake of manners.

[wwishie]

I like helping new players that want to be helped. I like teaching new players some of the tricks of DDO (things like targeting a mob and then turning sideways before you throw down that wall of fire to change the wall's orientation or even just using the F-keys and backspace to quickly target allies for buffs and/or healing). I like teaching. That's why I went into the profession.

But why would I want to help someone who doesn't want to my help? Why would I want to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught? I get a real thrill out of teaching somene calculus when they didn't think they were any good at math. I get no thrill from teaching in front of a student who has his or her head down on their desk because they've decided that they're not interested in learning.

"What house?" and "where is the questgiver" and "what resists should I cast in here" and similar questions *will* slow down the party if we're hoping for a quick zerg-y run through the dungeon, but I *always* answer questions like those. "Shr plz" as the opening line from a person who joins the quest has consistantly indicated that the person joining has no interest in actually putting forth any effort of their own and will be an active liability in the quest.

If you read the original post, and the coda at the end, the OP never brings up that the share was asked in a rude, or a crude shorthand manner. Likewise he states that even veteran players asking for a share shouldn't bother him.

Its just a smug poster trying to get an Amen from the clergy.

[PopeJual]

If you read the original post, and the coda at the end, the OP never brings up that the share was asked in a rude, or a crude shorthand manner. Likewise he states that even veteran players asking for a share shouldn't bother him.

Its just a smug poster trying to get an Amen from the clergy.

Just curious - what have your experiences with "shr plz" been?

Have people who asked for a share (outside of the special circumstances that Hound, VoD and A Relic of Sovereign Past offer) been great contributors to your groups or have they dragged the party down more often than not?

I can count on three fingers the number of times in the past 6 months that someone has asked for a share outside of those three quests and not been a complete pile of epic fail.


That's not a good track record.