what can be done to balance melee and magic

[patang01]

If you run Amrath wilderness lowly trogs will give you str and con stat damage. I use a cheap inexpensive lesser restore pots to get rid of it. I mostly run as a FvS or a ranger; FvS is easy in that sense. Unlimited cure light, blade barrier and the odd searing light to finishing off a low HP target.

But it's always that much 'easier' to move down critters and bosses with my ranger. 2 con op items, the new epic cloak of night, one vorpal for almost all stuff and a construct beater for the siege golems and such.

The point is that I can do anything a caster can. It's just a matter of having the right resources to do it. Some stuff is going to be a lot easier; say a caster in some wilderness and quests. Like my FvS and rainbow in the dark. Less then 30 minute stomp with maybe a little tougher in the end. Not so much with my ranger due to having to carry the light source.

But it's the opposite with running with the devils. Here DPS is king. It's very hard to out DPS and kite the eladrins. And that I guess is the whole point; some solutions are easier. Others are tougher, but you'll notice more than often that end game quests (above 16) are usually oriented around maximum DPS and less finesse and magic.

[Xyfiel]

Soloed all of it on an Arcane Archer with only a guide for the dialogue and no prior knowledge of the quest. If you can't handle the skelly, don't bother going further.

[sigtrent]

yes, and i'm asking what can be done. but as usual people just trying to teach me how to play.

That is because the challenge is not the balance of melee and casters but that you don't know how as a melee to deal with the challenge. You can easily get items that will restore your ability damage, or you can watch that monsters dialogs and avoid fighting him when he is using weapons that are a danger to you. You can get a cheap hireling that can cure ability damage. Just because a cleric has an easier time does not mean there is anything wrong with your character much less Melee characters in general.

Clerics can be challenged in that game due to the intersession ability of the ghosts weeps which can make all divine casting impossible for a time. And while you can see videos of clerics blade barring their way through quests, for every person that does that well, there is someone new to the game who gets their but kicked doing it because they lack the practice and experience.

The only type of character that I could say may have no good options in that quest would be a finesse rogue. Anyone else simply needs to adjust tactics or level up a bit if they are having trouble.

[Noctus]

i just can't stand this anymore... after a lot of suffering and endless hours of waiting for people to join my party etc. i finally flagged litany, okay?

that took me about 3 weeks... of course i'm not a hardcore player and i play about 4-5 hours a day.

now, today i tried litany in casual mode, killed all weaklings and only that blackguard skelly left with an asian-like name and i couldn't kill him because both my str and con drop to zero.

NOW THIS PART IS VERY IMPORTANT; if i was a caster, i would put a blade barrier or firewall or whatever... and just run around the columns... bam, he is dead, piece of cake.

is this fair? why do i have to make a caster to enjoy the game, without waiting hours to run a **** quest?

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

casters only need their spells. heighten, maximize, get every possible damage increasement feats and enhacements out there and just take your time and kite things around.

it will take less time then forming a party in any case.

You have no experience - you have no clue!
Yet you want to tell us - what to do?





P.S.
Can easily be done by a melee. Just because you failed, doesnt mean something is unfair, overpowered, underpowered or impossible.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I usually range him.




Some of my chars, block and drink Lesser Restore pots, then swing at him again.

[MrCow]

I'm curious what direction this will go for those of us who use Blade Barrier and Melee combat concurrently?

[Gulnar13]

I find your failure on this quest amusing on a melee, since i find easier to do it with my monk than my mage. And before the word "monk" fools you; it's a str based monk, not a wis-one. I'm like a bare handed barbarian. Also, i do it on normal - not casual. And i'm pretty sure i could reach the dragon even on hard/elite.

For the skeleton... try resto pots. Usually with 4-5 resto pots he go down. Also, flee from him when he put some really dangerous weapon (example: vorpal if you don't have a deathblock item; greater dorf bane if you're a dorf). As a last thing, kill the quell before you kill the skeleton.
If this don't work... bring a hireling FvS/Cleric.
If all this don't work... reroll. This skeleton is one of the easiest "solo" challenge. Hell, he even isn't a challenge.

[WarMachine]

i just can't stand this anymore... after a lot of suffering and endless hours of waiting for people to join my party etc. i finally flagged litany, okay?

that took me about 3 weeks... of course i'm not a hardcore player and i play about 4-5 hours a day.

now, today i tried litany in casual mode, killed all weaklings and only that blackguard skelly left with an asian-like name and i couldn't kill him because both my str and con drop to zero.

NOW THIS PART IS VERY IMPORTANT; if i was a caster, i would put a blade barrier or firewall or whatever... and just run around the columns... bam, he is dead, piece of cake.

is this fair? why do i have to make a caster to enjoy the game, without waiting hours to run a **** quest?

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

casters only need their spells. heighten, maximize, get every possible damage increasement feats and enhacements out there and just take your time and kite things around.

it will take less time then forming a party in any case.

Rather than complain that others can do it and you can't you could try to think of more tactics than auto-attacking, such as jumping on the torch on the wall and ranging him.

Really though, I think your problem is your attitude, with a bad attitude people won't talk to you to help you understand game mechanics better, and this may also be the cause of your problems finding groups.

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Why posting on a 5 month old thread?

[Mister_Peace]

If melee and magic were perfectly balanced, you would get something like 4e.

The fact that different classes use entirely different mechanics is one large reason why many people prefer D&D 3.5, and also why melee and magic can never be perfectly balanced.

[Astraghal]

i just can't stand this anymore... after a lot of suffering and endless hours of waiting for people to join my party etc. i finally flagged litany, okay?

that took me about 3 weeks... of course i'm not a hardcore player and i play about 4-5 hours a day.

now, today i tried litany in casual mode, killed all weaklings and only that blackguard skelly left with an asian-like name and i couldn't kill him because both my str and con drop to zero.

NOW THIS PART IS VERY IMPORTANT; if i was a caster, i would put a blade barrier or firewall or whatever... and just run around the columns... bam, he is dead, piece of cake.

is this fair? why do i have to make a caster to enjoy the game, without waiting hours to run a **** quest?

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

casters only need their spells. heighten, maximize, get every possible damage increasement feats and enhacements out there and just take your time and kite things around.

it will take less time then forming a party in any case.

You will get no sympathy for your point of view on these forums.

Too many people have too much invested in what is considered skillful play in this game for there to be much objectivity. DDO is a simple game compared to most and there isn't all that much scope for demonstrating skill or mastery against bad AI.

If you've come from another game, where defeating live opponents in real time in a contest where elements such as hand and eye coordination or unit and resource management are the benchmarks of skill and accomplishment, it may seem simplistic and exploitative to you when you see the kiting strategies used to defeat mobs and complete content in this game.

Players have found niches from which they can rule the roost of this particular game, in this case it's spell casters with some form of self-healing, a limitlessly replenishable power source and a way to inflict steady damage to mobs without having to make contact with them and run any serious risk of being killed.

But it's not even worth trying to argue about, because those who have found their niche and there are many because it's a lucrative one, will be able to rationalize how the minutiae of circle strafing through persistent area of effects requires great skill.

But that's DDO for you and it's unlikely to ever change. Your only recourse is to roll a caster. If you can handle that style of play.

[Farayon]

/raise dead

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Edit: Dang it! One of these days I will read the dates on these threads.... oh well.

[bartosy]

i'm not talking about endgame though... you can't explain unfair with another. you just hang in there, keep sucking but try to hit 20. then you will rock? screw that.

it takes like 2 weeks if your pretty hardcore and maybe 10 if your extremely casual.. after that theres only the grind to 20s and gear if you dont want to tr.. wich will take months.

end game favours melee and not casters..

casters and clerics arent easy mode in comparison to melee.. its more the other way around in most cases.

[Astraghal]

it takes like 2 weeks if your pretty hardcore and maybe 10 if your extremely casual.. after that theres only the grind to 20s and gear if you dont want to tr.. wich will take months.

end game favours melee and not casters..

casters and clerics arent easy mode in comparison to melee.. its more the other way around in most cases.

Melee's generally don't solo farm epic scrolls and solo raids and epics.

For those obstinate, contrary trolls who will inevitably post the link to a melee solo'ing something, yes it's possible but the actual working figures for the split will be ~1% melee/~99% caster.