what can be done to balance melee and magic

[pHo3nix]

you know what i won't type anymore stuff. i said what i have to say and if any dev
it is just stupid. put a bb and run around. i mean yeah, this is undead can be dumb. but all the creatures including elfs and humans tend to go through things. stay in the middle of firewall etc.

that undead is less dumb than many players, trust me..even if they changed the color of bb and fw of the mobs you still see a lot of players staying in fw or passing through bb until they got killed

[EatSmart]

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

A gimpy caster/divine played badly will die just as fast soloing as a gimpy melee played badly.

A friend of mine who is completely new to the game is playing a 28 pt build pally and is soloing just fine through everything so far. Soloing is not as inaccessable to melee as you seem to think.

A lot of those soloing "super easy divine/arcane" vids you see use torc and conc-opp to keep their SP going, and they're not items you get handed to you in korthos. Lets not even get started on how long it takes to farm bauble, spell storing ring and eardweller.

[Bobthesponge]

you know, i was gonna reply to the OP after he expertly disassembled my arguments but the rest of you did it for me. thanks!

i just want to know how a melee toon with dual wielding +5 shock hammers of PG, 30 str, 26 dex, 26 con, 16 wis, and prepared (my ass) can not take down that blackbone skelly in less than a minute. on casual.

man, that was good for a laugh.

[Lorz]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...... there is. and they are casters. i don't care if they can't solo "all the quests" they can solo "most of them" i want that too.

i don't want to solo any quest a caster can't solo.

but i want to solo every quest a caster can solo.

Learn to play. Most quests are solo able by melée. You can't but that does not mean others can't. Improve your game don't dumb down the game as your requesting. Seriously, your whining because you can't do it...but why can sp many others do it. It's you.....I say nerf YOU.

[Lorz]

you know what i won't type anymore stuff. i said what i have to say and if any dev read this it's enough for me.

one last time; they should do something about bosses like that litany blackguard, so when a caster attempt to kite them, maybe he can switch to bow or something...

ummm, not went through the bb but go around it?


it is just stupid. put a bb and run around. i mean yeah, this is undead can be dumb. but all the creatures including elfs and humans tend to go through things. stay in the middle of firewall etc.

whatever...

What makes solo play possible especially on elite is player skill.
You obviously can solo even on CASUAL. Go play more and develop your player skill....because honestly you don't have any by what you have written. You do not understand the basics of the game or how they work. Instead of improving your play...you want devs to nerf the game. And no it's not just casters telling your wrong...it is EVERYONE.....guess what your WRONG.

[phalaeo]

i see only one solution.

make casters slower.

Here's a thought- play a Cleric. We already have -25% striding built in.

[Vandas]

stop teaching me

Pretty much says it all right there.

Face it OP, you're just a noob. A bunch of really patient, helpful people try to explain to you really basic concepts you're just to ignorant/egomanical to understand and you act like an ungrateful ass because everyone won't bow down and mindlessly agree with your absurdly misguided perceptions.

It's called a potion of lesser restoration. I can't believe I didn't even catch this right off, because it's obvious and anyone who isn't useless in this game carries a stack with them. I can cast it and I still carry them.

It's not hard to imagine why you have a hard time finding groups, and it has nothing to do with casters soloing.

[jambajuicey]

that's my point. the game is not balance for solo. it should be balanced. i hate this as a melee toon user. i'm letting devs know and caster users of course trying to prove me wrong because they like this imbalance which make them solo everything.

I think someone said this best earlier (join date 2mo ago?) go back to wow were every class has been nerfed to the ground so everyone does the same thing the other does its jsut called another thing.. This is not wow..

[Nyvn]

since 3 months, i have seen only once, someone trying to put a litany party together.

Start your own groups?

[Valezra]

i just can't stand this anymore... after a lot of suffering and endless hours of waiting for people to join my party etc. i finally flagged litany, okay?

that took me about 3 weeks... of course i'm not a hardcore player and i play about 4-5 hours a day.

now, today i tried litany in casual mode, killed all weaklings and only that blackguard skelly left with an asian-like name and i couldn't kill him because both my str and con drop to zero.

NOW THIS PART IS VERY IMPORTANT; if i was a caster, i would put a blade barrier or firewall or whatever... and just run around the columns... bam, he is dead, piece of cake.

is this fair? why do i have to make a caster to enjoy the game, without waiting hours to run a **** quest?

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

casters only need their spells. heighten, maximize, get every possible damage increasement feats and enhacements out there and just take your time and kite things around.

it will take less time then forming a party in any case.

First, DDO at its core is a multiplayer experience. You cannot and should not be able to solo every single thing in the game. "Casual" mode was added later to give ultra-casual players (people who play very little, do not care to grind or even shop for gear, and just want to have fun with their friends) the ability to group up and experience some of what DDO has to offer.

Second, "forming a party" should be an extremely fast experience. Why people constantly complain about this I will never understand. Here's some tips for "forming a party" in order to run a quest.

1. Don't focus on FILLING the party. Make sure you have your basics covered and start the quest. Litany as an example... just get a Divine or Arcane caster to join you (if you don't know how to buy lesser restoration pots) and go!
2. Focus on Self-Sufficiency (ie - self heals, curse removal pots, disease immunity items, poison neutralization pots). What does this have to do with forming a party? It lessens your restrictions on who can join. If you are all self-sufficient you can run most quests without a dedicated healer for example.


Stop griping, start thinking, and enjoy the game.

PS - If you have trouble putting groups together you may want to focus on making friends in the game... parties go together much faster when you know people and are someone other people enjoy running with. Good luck!

Val

[Valezra]

Pretty much says it all right there.

Face it OP, you're just a noob. A bunch of really patient, helpful people try to explain to you really basic concepts you're just to ignorant/egomanical to understand and you act like an ungrateful ass because everyone won't bow down and mindlessly agree with your absurdly misguided perceptions.

It's called a potion of lesser restoration. I can't believe I didn't even catch this right off, because it's obvious and anyone who isn't useless in this game carries a stack with them. I can cast it and I still carry them.

It's not hard to imagine why you have a hard time finding groups, and it has nothing to do with casters soloing.

Okay, forget my previously kind and informative post... I like this one best!

Val

[sweez]

Q_Q my evoker FvS can't solo Mentau Q_Q

[Lord_WC]

Q_Q my evoker FvS can't solo Mentau Q_Q

Yeah, let them nerf melee, so they won't be able to solo him as well. That would leave us in the convenient situation that noone could do anything about him.

[Dendrix]

Melees can solo this. Just like casters prep for encounters, melees must also prep for encounters.

Just drink some lesser restoration potions when you are taking stat damage. or use restoration/heal scrolls if you have good enough UMD.

I don't see what the problem us, other than your intelligence and arrogance.

[sweez]

Yeah, let them nerf melee, so they won't be able to solo him as well. That would leave us in the convenient situation that noone could do anything about him.

Well, since I've just completed my tome page set, for all I care, they could just remove the whole litany thing from the game

[Lorz]

1. i'm hitting him with dual +5 shock warhammers of pure good.
2. .....
3. no, i didn't. i asked what can be done to make melee and casters balanced. read the freaking thread title.
4. i prepared, i just hate people teaching me super basic ****.

If you were prepared you would not have failed....it was casual. Learn to play.

And yes from your posts it is pretty obvious you have lots to learn....drop the attitude....it is not doing you any favors.

NOOB

[Aaxeyu]

That your melee can't solo does not mean that no melee can solo.

I would wager that you still would fail even if you used a caster.

[Kelina]

that's my point. the game is not balance for solo. it should be balanced. i hate this as a melee toon user. i'm letting devs know and caster users of course trying to prove me wrong because they like this imbalance which make them solo everything.

gonna type this all big so you get it..... THIS GAME IS NOT ABOUT SOLOING!!!!

Can a good player solo most of the content, yes. Could you solo most of the content, obviously not. DDO is about group play, the sooner you get that through your head the better off you'll be.

[Fomori]

you know what i won't type anymore stuff. i said what i have to say and if any dev read this it's enough for me.

one last time; they should do something about bosses like that litany blackguard, so when a caster attempt to kite them, maybe he can switch to bow or something...

ummm, not went through the bb but go around it?


it is just stupid. put a bb and run around. i mean yeah, this is undead can be dumb. but all the creatures including elfs and humans tend to go through things. stay in the middle of firewall etc.

whatever...

FYI, the devs might read this but probably not. They have said before you need to 'state a problem' and give 'constructive feedback'. So far all you are doing is blindly defending a position that is not even an issue. There is no constructive feedback on your part only attacking people that started out trying to positively help you.

Its one thing to go 'Hey I think this is broken lets look at ways at fixing this' and discuss. Its another to obstinately fixate that your problem and solution is the only way to go, despite evidence that debunks your perceived problem.

Also in DDO soloing is an accomplishment, not a right. People post solo videos because they are bragging 'Hey I did this because its not commonly believed it can be done.' Also, those characters that do are planned out from level 1, have above average gear, and intimate player knowledge of the quest.

I think Sun Tsu had a good line that is appropriate here....
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."

[quickgrif]

[QUOTE=minimomo;3384932]i just can't stand this anymore... after a lot of suffering and endless hours of waiting for people to join my party etc. i finally flagged litany, okay?

that took me about 3 weeks... of course i'm not a hardcore player and i play about 4-5 hours a day.

now, today i tried litany in casual mode, killed all weaklings and only that blackguard skelly left with an asian-like name and i couldn't kill him because both my str and con drop to zero.

NOW THIS PART IS VERY IMPORTANT; if i was a caster, i would put a blade barrier or firewall or whatever... and just run around the columns... bam, he is dead, piece of cake.

is this fair? why do i have to make a caster to enjoy the game, without waiting hours to run a **** quest?

and don't say melee can do that too. NOT AS SUPER EASY AS A CASTER. not without super duper items.

casters only need their spells. heighten, maximize, get every possible damage increasement feats and enhacements out there and just take your time and kite things around.

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