what can be done to balance melee and magic

[minimomo]

I normally play hybrid casters my fav are my FvS and 16 sorc/2pal/2rog and I will tell you for most quest I will beat it np just melee'n the whole thing. Melees do great 1-7 then about 17 they gain that grp advantage back. Another thing is your gear up to date? Did you try using a Greater Undead Bane on him? Melees are shackled by what gear they have while casters have to deal with sp and what spells to pick(not to hard really).

Everytime I hear a melee cry about the balance I gotta turn and say hey maybe you should get a better weapon then that +1 flaming greatsword.

All in all play to 20 then tell us the balance.

stop teaching me bs. of course you can melee with that build 1 heal you have max hp again..... are u freaking kidding me? are you just giving me another example of unfairness??

i dont have to play till 20 to tell you about balance......... i'm telling you the imbalance about pre-engame.... it's not balanced in endgame so it should be unbalanced in pre-endgame too?

what kind of a logic is that?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

thing is you don't have to stand before him and wait till your any stat drop to zero...

yes, and i'm asking what can be done. but as usual people just trying to teach me how to play..

Ah, now that's a better way to put it...

Let's start with don't stand there and let your stat drop to zero. Drink lesser restore potions to fix your stats before they hit zero.

If you like to solo a lot, you need to put UMD on that character so you can also use heal scrolls and restoration scrolls, both of which quickly deal with all stat damage.

Frankly this game requires a bit of skill and planning to solo on any class.

[MateCarefor]

use restoration pots. Or heal scrolls/items if you UMD, etc etc etc
This is not a how to, it's a grass-is-greener-over-there soapbox, so screw facts and tactics, right?

What counts as melee? Cause I can solo litany on my Tempest Ranger, and my wife has on her AA.
If ol bone boy is smacking you around, wait till Cholthulz says howdy.
Look at the youtube vids for MrWizard soloing all over Amrath with his melee.
(pretty sure it was MrW caught against the door in Sins with like 100 devils beating on him while he fumbled with the door - funniest epic feat of whoopsie dungeon alert ever)
Ever heard of Shade? Look up his vids for seeing how a barb can bulldoze through almost anything. And be geared to be darn near self-sufficient.

In fact, I got so fed up with how gimp my arcane was after Vale, I went melee to enjoy the game more. Oh, and solo flag for Amrath on my Ranger and my Pali - a feat my Arcane has yet to manage.
Spells allow a bit more manipulation of AI, graphics, and the game mechanics is a lot of places, but a good(*) non-caster can do a heck of a lot more than you apparently think.
And at the end of the day, DDO is about DPS. Pretty simple. Guess who wins that crown in a sprint? Guess who wins it in a marathon?

You'll also learn pretty quickly that the hybrids are mostly the ones that can pull off the amazing feats of solo-awesome (like exploiter builds, monk splashes, evasion toons, etc).

Play more and you can actually give Turbine a little credit - a whole lot of characters shine in certain areas over and above others.
Almost makes it, like, you know, fun to play different things and even...sometimes....<hold breath>...group with others in an MMO.

*good = well built, well equipped, and aware of how to do more while playing than faceroll across an attack button.

[Kelina]

few easy steps so you can solo that blackbone:
1. get to room
2. clear out trash mobs
3. use a blunt force or elec weapon (pref of pure good)
4. after a few hits from him drop your stats a little, kite him around while drinking lesser restore pots then go back to step 3.
5. rinse and repeat till it's dead

[Jakarr]

stop teaching me bs. of course you can melee with that build 1 heal you have max hp again..... are u freaking kidding me? are you just giving me another example of unfairness??

i dont have to play till 20 to tell you about balance......... i'm telling you the imbalance about pre-engame.... it's not balanced in endgame so it should be unbalanced in pre-endgame too?

what kind of a logic is that?

I am telling you that I solo things because I can heal myself why cant you?

Oh nvm your a gimpy melee probably the same type that crys heejl mez.

You want to solo ya gotta understand the game and make a solo character and yes you can make a melee a solo character


It comes down to self-healing that makes it so you can solo...that Drow Sorc you see solo'ing well he probably has a good UMD to use scrolls and wands.

[Nyvn]

Melee are capable of soloing, check our MrCow's Diaries of a True Reincarnate (Melee) *gasp* he even has videos for the quests.

[English_Warrior]

I am telling you that I solo things because I can heal myself why cant you?

Oh nvm your a gimpy melee probably the same type that crys heejl mez.

You want to solo ya gotta understand the game and make a solo character and yes you can make a melee a solo character

Its so true....my current main character used to be a straight fighter 20.....great DPS, but pretty reliant on other people to heal him....now he is TR into 18 Fighter 2 Rogue.....the survivability and soloabilty increase from having UMD and Evasion is just mindblowing.

Moral of the story: Get you some good self healing and solo potential goes through the roof.

[Shuleagh]

OP has a point to be honest. That has little to do with balance between casters and melee though. Its pretty much just bad quest design imo. Having monsters that melee for 60+ damage a hit and almost never miss in melee but can't land a spear chuck or an arrow shot to save their mother favors ranged casters. Having quests that you can bypass 90% of by either stealthing or going invis favors stealth users and ranged casters.

Where is the epic quest where you can bypass everything just by being able to hit 60 strength? If you can bench press the dragon at the start of the quest you win and poof out pop 2 epic chests. That's all I want. No nerfs necessary. Spread the love around. Where are the melee solo friendly epic quests?

To the op: Get a caster hireling(bard, favored soul, cleric) to follow you around. You shouldn't be having an issue in any casual difficulty quest near your level. I ended up having to solo flag for most raids too as a barbarian. If you've never done it before you can look the quest up on youtube. Chances are someone has a video up of it. Helps you learn the quest and not end up wasting time figuring it out.

[lucid8]

I guess there is only one thing left to say...... Go back to WOW where all the characters have been nerfed to complete equality. (enjoy your fairness far away from the rest of us whom enjoy diversity.)

[Dunklerlindwurm]

"i didn't ask how can i beat him. i simply gave that as an example to show how casters easily beat him with blade barrier or "whatever".

PREPARE, my ass."


If you didn't ask how you can beat him why are you trying to tell us melee and caster isn't balanced?

You cant say something isnt balanced if you dont even know how to play.

[minimomo]

Don't pew pew pew...hit him with an appropriate weapon, as people have already suggested to you.



We are confused by your lack of understanding as well



You asked us to teach you... we thought you actually cared, our mistake.



Well if you don't want to be prepared you should die.

1. i'm hitting him with dual +5 shock warhammers of pure good.
2. .....
3. no, i didn't. i asked what can be done to make melee and casters balanced. read the freaking thread title.
4. i prepared, i just hate people teaching me super basic ****.

[flynnjsw]

OP, classes are balanced for a group, not one balanced with the others. That will, nor should ever change. Period. If classes become balanced towards each other, then why bother having classes at all. If it really bothers you that much, it is time to stop playing anything Dungeons and Dragons based because that is the reality of the situation.

[voxson5]

i dont have to play till 20 to tell you about balance......... i'm telling you the imbalance about pre-engame.... it's not balanced in endgame so it should be unbalanced in pre-endgame too?

Have you ever played a caster on low levels? The casting abiliy isnt exactly awe-inspiring & more often than not you just melee things.

As Lorien says, put some points into UMD, start whipping those blur, stoneskin, resist & protect wands, cast from scrolls.... Heck, even just carry a stack of healing pots if all you care about is self recovery.

The more you play and learn this game, the more you will realise that self-sufficency is the best thing to strive for, once you learn that, you can do pretty much anything. Even the raging barbarian learns when to nickle & dime powerful mobs

As for Melee's soloing high level quests? MrCow & Shade have documented melee toons soloing quests
(sorry, its very late here & i cant find the links for you)

Anything is possible. You just have to figure out how.

[Jakarr]

1. i'm hitting him with dual +5 shock warhammers of pure good.
2. .....
3. no, i didn't. i asked what can be done to make melee and casters balanced. read the freaking thread title.
4. i prepared, i just hate people teaching me super basic ****.

Good weapons for him really thing you are just tossing BS out there but ok Ill belive ya. Did you know if your saves are high enough you will save vs his aura which is what is decreasing your str/con, do you have potions of lesser restoration, maybe you need to invest in UMD if you want to solo that fight is easy if you can heal yourself.

We are teaching you these super basic things because you are acting like a complete noob and a gimp. You got your ass handed to you in game now you are whining on the forums about it and still getting your ass handed to you. God its like a PvE version of Hax

[English_Warrior]

i prepared

No you clearly didn't...otherwise you wouldn't have died on casual.

If you had prepared and had died on casual you would be on here laughing about how you pownd yourself by some noob mistake, not seriously complaining that casters and melee need a rebalance.

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Im pretty sure if this guy would play a caster and tried litany on casual he would fail too ..and then complain about casters having too low SP or something....
or how about casters cant survive the force traps in the shaft.

[minimomo]

"i didn't ask how can i beat him. i simply gave that as an example to show how casters easily beat him with blade barrier or "whatever".

PREPARE, my ass."


If you didn't ask how you can beat him why are you trying to tell us melee and caster isn't balanced?

You cant say something isnt balanced if you dont even know how to play.

i said this kiddo;

put blade barrier, run around, boss is dead.

how freaking easy is that?

this is unfair.

he doesn't need anything else, he doesn't need hireling, he doesn't need potions. all he has to do put a bb and run around.

do this, and %98 of all monsters pre-endgame is owned.

this is unfair.

they don't need pure good of ass smacking whateverness +5 and 19 other set of weapons.

[Jakarr]

Have you ever played a caster on low levels? The casting abiliy isnt exactly awe-inspiring & more often than not you just melee things.

As Lorien says, put some points into UMD, start whipping those blur, stoneskin, resist & protect wands, cast from scrolls.... Heck, even just carry a stack of healing pots if all you care about is self recovery.

The more you play and learn this game, the more you will realise that self-sufficency is the best thing to strive for, once you learn that, you can do pretty much anything. Even the raging barbarian learns when to nickle & dime powerful mobs

As for Melee's soloing high level quests? MrCow & Shade have documented melee toons soloing quests
(sorry, its very late here & i cant find the links for you)

Anything is possible. You just have to figure out how.

Here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l388L9FMomg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln67PNPRrnE

Just a couple from from a quick search

[Jakarr]

i said this kiddo;

put blade barrier, run around, boss is dead.

how freaking easy is that?

this is unfair.

he doesn't need anything else, he doesn't need hireling, he doesn't need potions. all he has to do put a bb and run around.

do this, and %98 of all monsters pre-endgame is owned.

this is unfair.

they don't need pure good of ass smacking whateverness +5 and 19 other set of weapons.

Your point? He may have to put down a BB and kite around it all you have to do is stand toe to toe and I bet you will bring it down faster.

This game is not balanced for Solo hell I remember when the game was VERY unsolo friendly. Cry more though this is great

/popcorn

[minimomo]

i see only one solution.

make casters slower.

it makes sense too. casters are nerds and wisearses. they don't have much muscle.

so they are slow.

when you put that firewall and start kiting, make it so monsters can easily catch up with them.

make monsters so they can attack you even when you jump if you are in the range.

only then, it will be balanced.