Abbot

[Tanka]

ppl are trying to take some moral high road all of a sudden...

People have been taking the high road on this quest ever since it came out, Kehg.

[OldHippyWitch]

This is a HORRIBLE assumption...as it stands it is us zergers/powergamers that are TEACHING you noobs...but for some reason, in this quest, ppl are trying to take some moral high road all of a sudden...

That is NOT what I was getting at...I am so sorry I didn't see that it would be read that way.

I was just trying to say the people who want that style of play will join him, and those that want a different style of play will not join him.

My apology!!

[Tat2Freak]

That is NOT what I was getting at...I am so sorry I didn't see that it would be read that way.

I was just trying to say the people who want that style of play will join him, and those that want a different style of play will not join him.

My apology!!

...and I apologize for putting *you in there...it should read *the noobs...mostly I don't think, I just do...sorry again.

[Quikster]

This is a HORRIBLE assumption...as it stands it is us zergers/powergamers that are TEACHING you noobs...but for some reason, in this quest, ppl are trying to take some moral high road all of a sudden...

No its a horrible assumption because zerging =! exploiting.

2 things about your complaint of the moral high ground:

A. Many people have felt this way for a long time, I know of quite a few of them. I have personally felt this way for a while. Yes I will repect the leader of the group, and do the raid as they wish. Im not going to throw a hissy fit about it in game. However, I wont lead a group that uses exploits. All of my abbot raids solve tiles legit. Period. Cheesy tactics may and have been used from time to time, but not without a legit attempt.

B. There is nothing wrong with taking the moral high ground all of a sudden. It happens all the time. People change. The fact that someone wants to do the raid legit is not cause for you to ostracize them because they now choose to do so.

[Quikster]

...to many skeletons to be talking about this or try to call people out. You wanna teach people fine, but when Im done teaching noobs...I get the completion, period.

What kind of skeletons exactly? Be specific, you going to call me out, do it, dont beat around the bush.

[Tat2Freak]

No its a horrible assumption because zerging =! exploiting.
...and no, what I said doesn't equate to this...

2 things about your complaint of the moral high ground:

A. Many people have felt this way for a long time, I know of quite a few of them. I have personally felt this way for a while. Yes I will repect the leader of the group, and do the raid as they wish. Im not going to throw a hissy fit about it in game. However, I wont lead a group that uses exploits. All of my abbot raids solve tiles legit. Period. Cheesy tactics may and have been used from time to time, but not without a legit attempt.

B. There is nothing wrong with taking the moral high ground all of a sudden. It happens all the time. People change. The fact that someone wants to do the raid legit is not cause for you to ostracize them because they now choose to do so.

...lol dont get me wrong...I understand what you guys are doing...being a zerger/powergamer is one level, being a zerger/powergamer and doing things the one way a dev envisioned it is another level(probally the pinnacle).

BUT, on that note the fuss about cheese in this quest is getting old. I could go into all the things we as a collective have done, but Im not mad enough yet, and if in that list there is a single thing you(in the general sense you) have done...well anyway, Im sure youve heard the expression...let him cast the first stone...

[OldHippyWitch]

<SNIP> No its a horrible assumption because zerging =! exploiting. <SNIP>

Wait, I said "The only people who will stop coming to his raids are people who would rather zerg and/or exploit. While my assumption was, as most assumptions are, very poorly chosen, I did make a differentiation between "zergers" and "exploiters".

[systemstate]

Sarlona... learn how to do the abbot the proper way.... and do the puzzles correctly!

Those that can complete it properly need not worry about this post... That is all

Cash out...

Perhaps write a guide for the uninformed...

Just sayin'.

[Quikster]

...lol dont get me wrong...I understand what you guys are doing...being a zerger/powergamer is one level, being a zerger/powergamer and doing things the one way a dev envisioned it is another level(probally the pinnacle).

BUT, on that note the fuss about cheese in this quest is getting old. I could go into all the things we as a collective have done, but Im not mad enough yet, and if in that list there is a single thing you(in the general sense you) have done...well anyway, Im sure youve heard the expression...let him cast the first stone...

Ive already admitted to using the incorrect goggle method. So what exactly are you going to call me out on.

When I started doing abbot, I couldnt find a pug on sarlona that was solving goggles legit.

I got flagged, and had a friend of mine from RG (who I knew solved legit as a guild) show me and another friend the basics of the raid. Me and 1 other two boxed as spotters, the rest of us went into tiles. We practiced how to solve legit.

After I learned how to solve legit I started joining pugs. I never did tiles due to the fact that people were using exploits to solve.

After waiting a long time for a solver one day, I decided to go ahead and learn it. I can /have done it.

That said, I dont join a ton of abbot lfms anymore as I have talked my guild into doing it more often. In those runs we solve tiles legit. I have quit teaching people how to do the exploit, and will only teach how to solve legit.

You think that because I have done something one way (the incorrect way imo) that I should give up trying to do it the right way, or teaching people to do it the right way, or insist that in my raids its done the right way, you are sadly mistaken.

When you came back to the game and made this big public announcement of how you had changed, and you were more mellow, and you werent going to kheg rage on newbs all the time anymore, you didnt see me there lining up to knock you down did you? No you didnt. Because I thought it was admirable that you were trying to change your inappropriate behavior. I supported you in that even if I didnt get you in group and raw raw your turned leaf.

So I ask you now, why the hate if people are trying to get others on sarlona to solve this raid legit?

The last thread I posted about this I had lots and lots of pms from people on different servers that were basically rofl at the fact that sarlona, as a rule, exploits to complete tiles.

When I went to argo, my guildies rofl laughing that sarlona, as a rule, exploits to complete tiles.

The problem is so rampant now, that any hope of getting the server to do this raid the correct way, is an uphill struggle, because people like Hoko (using you as an example here since you posted it) would rather complete timely then ensure the raid is being done correct, so they can get their loots. I mean what exactly is the point of playing if you arent having some fun?

Instead of being defensive, and trying to knock people down that are doing the right thing, why not stand up with us, and make people solve legit in the runs you lead. Heck I was in a run a few weeks ago that you ran and you failed like 6 times and you didnt mind at all, you kept telling people how they were going to get better loot for it. Why not teach people how to solve tiles, instead of putting X pikers to /sleep in goggles. Make them a part of the raid, and maybe they will take some ownership in it. Instead of just being ok with another wipe.

People dont learn legit solving because the powergamers are teaching illegitimate techniques. If everyone that was running the raid taught others how to do it right, it would be very similar to how it is now. Runs would be fast, if not faster, and everyone would be happy.

[Quikster]

The only people who will stop coming to his raids are people who would rather zerg and/or exploit. This is not a bad thing, since the people who want to run it legit are not usually zergers or exploiters. Once he gets a reputation as a completionist, the people who will join his groups will be people who enjoy the same type of game play.

Win / Win no matter how you look at it. :-)

If zergers dont want to run it legit, doesnt that make them exploiters?

Yes kheg I know what you said doesnt equate to this. I merely pointed out that your reasoning for the wrong assumption, was wrong imo

[Tat2Freak]

SNIP.

Bro, read my post before getting angry.

...I could go into all the things we as a collective have done...

[Quikster]

People have been taking the high road on this quest ever since it came out, Kehg.

Yes yes yes, we all know about Tanka and the abbot. Ok well those of us that have been around long enough....

Mind linking us to that thread, you prolly have it bookmarked

[Quikster]

Bro, read my post before getting angry.

Bro, i read it, and im not angry.

And id really like to see all the dirt you can give on me as part of that collective, because i guarantee its very minor and prolly all stuff ive publicly admitted too.

[Quikster]

Perhaps write a guide for the uninformed...

Just sayin'.

There are guides written, youtube vids posted, and people willing to teach.

[Tanka]

Yes yes yes, we all know about Tanka and the abbot. Ok well those of us that have been around long enough....

Mind linking us to that thread, you prolly have it bookmarked

Actually, I never bookmarked that one. Or, if I did, it was lost when my last desktop died.

[Tat2Freak]

Bro, i read it, and im not angry.

And id really like to see all the dirt you can give on me as part of that collective, because i guarantee its very minor and prolly all stuff ive publicly admitted too.

...lol good for you buddy...this is not about YOU tho...as much as your ego would like it...

p.s. in the shroud ill get back to this cause im sure you gotta open your mouth now...

[Quikster]

...lol good for you buddy...this is not about YOU tho...as much as your ego would like it...

Actually it is, its also about you, and anyone else who leads abbot groups.

[Gulnar13]

What's this "googles exploit" everyone it's talking about? (Just to point out; i've never seen the whole tiles room at all, since usually i'm on ice duty/asteroid-sleep-duty).

[Quikster]

What's this "googles exploit" everyone it's talking about? (Just to point out; i've never seen the whole tiles room at all, since usually i'm on ice duty/asteroid-sleep-duty).

Its a method of solving tiles which involves bugging out your game client to make your character do something unintended.

[Quikster]

Actually, I never bookmarked that one. Or, if I did, it was lost when my last desktop died.

The world is a poorer place I bet clever, hex, or garth has it