Abbot

[Cashiry]

Sarlona... learn how to do the abbot the proper way.... and do the puzzles correctly!

Those that can complete it properly need not worry about this post... That is all

Cash out...

[bendover]

Sarlona... learn how to do the abbot the proper way.... and do the puzzles correctly!

Those that can complete it properly need not worry about this post... That is all

Cash out...

/signed.

I myself am tired of the "cheese" methods, that's why I've been working with my guild and even pugs to learn to do goggles legit as well as have people do ice legit. It's not that hard and it's alot more fun doing it the right away.

[aradelothion]

never done it as i don't have the pack - (and slight tangent: which should i buy, necro 4 or amrath?) that said, what is the right way to run this raid?

[k0ukla]

never done it as i don't have the pack - (and slight tangent: which should i buy, necro 4 or amrath?) that said, what is the right way to run this raid?

Amrath - you will want ToD rings and their is lots of good loot out in the quests there also

[k0ukla]

The reason is you wil want a ToD ring set and there is alot of good loot out in those quests also

[rodallec]

theyre talkin end game.
necro 4 is some amazing xp for fast quests.
amazing for a TR or if you want something different to gianthold

back to the OP
trying to get gogs legit. feel horrible when were in the raid for like 30 mins and fail and ive wasted everyones time.

[Cashiry]

never done it as i don't have the pack - (and slight tangent: which should i buy, necro 4 or amrath?) that said, what is the right way to run this raid?

Goggles: Utilize the goggles and guide people across the tiles correctly
Asteroids: Throw rocks at asteroids
Ice Wands: Utilize the wands to get across the water....

Buy the amarath pack...

[aradelothion]

Buy the amarath pack...

Amrath

Noted

[systemstate]

Sarlona... learn how to do the abbot the proper way.... and do the puzzles correctly!

Those that can complete it properly need not worry about this post... That is all

Cash out...

Perhaps write a guide for the uninformed...

Just sayin'.

[Quikster]

Perhaps write a guide for the uninformed...

Just sayin'.

There are guides written, youtube vids posted, and people willing to teach.

[systemstate]

There are guides written, youtube vids posted, and people willing to teach.

Understood. I just think that if the OP feels that strongly about it, he/she should proffer some constructive advice along with the rant. Otherwise it's just whining.

[Tanka]

Understood. I just think that if the OP feels that strongly about it, he/she should proffer some constructive advice along with the rant. Otherwise it's just whining.

95% of all forums on the internet are whining.

[bendover]

Wow this thread has really gotten out of hand. Everyone here knows that the tile room is (for the most part) not being completed the way it was intended. Everyone here knows that most of you guys are doing it the "exploit" way. There is no point in arguing with this the raid was NOT designed to be completed in this fashion. And like I said I've been working hard with my guildies and even pugs that join my LFM to learn goggles the legit way. Freezing your client is weak and personally I think it's fun doing it legit.

[ulticleo]

ok, didn't read the whole the thread... stopped when the issue turned to powergaming.

there are two ways to do the tiles. the so called legit way, and the so called exploit. in this case, the exploit is using a feature of the operating system to manipulate the game, and as such, would qualify as an exploit and shouldn't be used. My system does not allow me to use this feature (my toon goes into a 30sec auto run that cannot be turned off, and does not respond to certain clicks, such as jumping). I have tried goggles 3 times, and survived it once.

There are 3 ways to do ice. 1) two toons with wands 2) cleric with DI 3) ninja spy monk with stride on water. All three methods are legitimate, as they use in-game abilities given to our toons. I have done all 3 methods, and do not consider any of them illegitimate

I know if one way to do roids, and have never failed it myself in about 20 runs or so.

point is, if I get a level 20 cleric in my raid, I'll use him for ice. if I get a ninja spy in my raid, I'll use him. there is nothing wrong with it. As for the tiles, since I am at 33% success rate, I can't complain. once I get better, I will advocate using the legitimate method.

If you feel that tiles should be solved legitimately, better bring a friend, and do it yourself. Or stick to guild runs...

[Quikster]

ok, didn't read the whole the thread... stopped when the issue turned to powergaming.

there are two ways to do the tiles. the so called legit way, and the so called exploit. in this case, the exploit is using a feature of the operating system to manipulate the game, and as such, would qualify as an exploit and shouldn't be used. My system does not allow me to use this feature (my toon goes into a 30sec auto run that cannot be turned off, and does not respond to certain clicks, such as jumping). I have tried goggles 3 times, and survived it once.

There are 3 ways to do ice. 1) two toons with wands 2) cleric with DI 3) ninja spy monk with stride on water. All three methods are legitimate, as they use in-game abilities given to our toons. I have done all 3 methods, and do not consider any of them illegitimate

I know if one way to do roids, and have never failed it myself in about 20 runs or so.

point is, if I get a level 20 cleric in my raid, I'll use him for ice. if I get a ninja spy in my raid, I'll use him. there is nothing wrong with it. As for the tiles, since I am at 33% success rate, I can't complain. once I get better, I will advocate using the legitimate method.

If you feel that tiles should be solved legitimately, better bring a friend, and do it yourself. Or stick to guild runs...

Or you could practice a little bit. I mean really, if you cant complete it without the cheese are you really completing it?

People complain about ddo store easy buttons, dungeon scaling, dumbing the game down, etc. Even some of the posters in this thread who advocate exploiting tiles (not you per say, maybe maybe not i dunno) but when it comes to their abbot completions, they are more than willing to use the dumbed down methods.

[ulticleo]

Or you could practice a little bit. I mean really, if you cant complete it without the cheese are you really completing it?

I am practicing. As I said, I don't consider DI or stride cheese - these are tools given to us by the devs. if they thought we should not be using them, they can easily change the behaviors of those abilities (DI is supposed to raise you like death pact by the description, and stride doesn't work in 90% of the places anyway)

However, until I can be reliable in a pug (a few more guild training runs), I am not in a position to complain. And unless you can do it, willing to do and teach it, and will stand up to it, please don't complain either. If you ARE in the position I stated above, then what's the point of complaining? you don't use exploits in your runs, so it shouldn't bother you.

as a side note - I still have no idea what is, or if there is, the exploit for roids. just out of curiosity, (I can duo it, don't need an exploit) if you want to pm me...

[Quikster]

I am practicing. As I said, I don't consider DI or stride cheese - these are tools given to us by the devs. if they thought we should not be using them, they can easily change the behaviors of those abilities (DI is supposed to raise you like death pact by the description, and stride doesn't work in 90% of the places anyway)

However, until I can be reliable in a pug (a few more guild training runs), I am not in a position to complain. And unless you can do it, willing to do and teach it, and will stand up to it, please don't complain either. If you ARE in the position I stated above, then what's the point of complaining? you don't use exploits in your runs, so it shouldn't bother you.

as a side note - I still have no idea what is, or if there is, the exploit for roids. just out of curiosity, (I can duo it, don't need an exploit) if you want to pm me...

I guess im of a different school then. If you cant complete a raid, you shouldnt complete. When you fail, you release and try it again. Eventually you will complete. Why does there have to be a, "well I'll exploit until im good at the correct way of doing it" clause?

If you can complete it without exploiting, great, gluck on your loot. If you cant then you dont deserve the loot.

[Hokonoso]

Sarlona... learn how to do the abbot the proper way.... and do the puzzles correctly!

Those that can complete it properly need not worry about this post... That is all

Cash out...

interesting how this thread turned out considering that the only ones posting strong opinions are able to complete it properly

[Taimasan]

interesting how this thread turned out considering that the only ones posting strong opinions are able to complete it properly

Just ignore it dude, if one person in a guild ****es him off he blames the entire guild. Hey but we are all supposed to be adults not children...right...right???

[Cashiry]

Just ignore it dude, if one person in a guild ****es him off he blames the entire guild. Hey but we are all supposed to be adults not children...right...right???

Actions Represent the Guild... my actions represent my guild weather my guild likes it or not, it will still effect my guildmates(per the type of gameplay associated with my play). Same as if a guildmate of mine does something to make another guild mad or member of a guild mad(They see the guild Tag and he/she will get auto declined) It happens...

So if a certain person in a guild uses exploits(it also implicates the people in that guild for condoning it)... yes i will assocciate the guild with that person and stay clear of the both...