level 20 ranger asking a 18/1/1 ranger for fom?

[NaturalHazard]

It took me aback a little in shroud to be asked by the level 20 pure AA ranger for FOM and neut poison. I asked him what level 4 spell he used instead of fom and he answered the summons? Apparently its crucial to his playstlye? Each to his own but I didnt understand why he didnt swap it out at the part 1 shrine for fom then put it back to the summons after the quest?

As a ranger I think of it as my duty to not only hand out the barkskin to the monks/ pallys/fighters with the ac builds. But to also hand out the neut poisen, resists, and fom if needed.

I got a bauble i can put fom bark neut and resists on the whole raid and still have a full sp bar even if I dont use the shrine.

[grodon9999]

The guy's an idiot, no ranger should be asking for these buffs ever.

[NaturalHazard]

well it kind of concerns me as this is not the only time its happened. Also in lower levels i get a little concerned witht the rangers who dont ever use bulls str or barkskin, i mean rams might. They always summon stuff that just immdiatly dies after causing problems as well. And these are often the people who run backwards at a rate of knots aggroing the whole map, and often have 6/8/10 con, and scream at you if you make a suggestion to stop telling them how to play and how they are sick of people telling them how to play ect ect. The flip side is after experiancing ranger players like this no one wants to have a ranger join their lfm.

[DrNuegebauer]

Neutralize poison pot lasts 7 minutes and is available at the vendor in Meridia.

Nobody should be asking for that as a buff while in the shroud - LET ALONE the guy who could not only pot it, but could cast it - or alternatively wand it!

[Aztek]

I have no problem with a ranger who does WIS as a dump stat to focus on STR, etc. and so cannot really put those buffs on the whole group, especially with multiclassed rangers (we're talking 6-12 levels or so).

However... even with 8 base WIS, you can put on a +6 WIS item to cast any ranger spell in the game (level 4 spells need 14 WIS) and should be at least able to buff yourself. Then switch out of the WIS item for something else after the spells are cast and the SP bar drops.

I get mad at myself when i dump components to make backpack space and forget to replace them before a quest where i need to cast jump or FOM, etc. I don't expect a ranger to put all the buffs ont he whole party but they should be at minimum be able to self-buff resists, jump, poison, FOM and wand whip remove disease if they don't load the spell. Heck they can use a poison wand if they don't want to carry the spell or components!

And yes, you are correct - there are tons of shrines in Shroud. No excuse to not be able to switch spells.

...Dex build TR pure ranger 17 with decent CON and STR.

[NaturalHazard]

I have no problem with a ranger who does WIS as a dump stat to focus on STR, etc. and so cannot really put those buffs on the whole group, especially with multiclassed rangers (we're talking 6-12 levels or so).

However... even with 8 base WIS, you can put on a +6 WIS item to cast any ranger spell in the game (level 4 spells need 14 WIS) and should be at least able to buff yourself. Then switch out of the WIS item for something else after the spells are cast and the SP bar drops.

I get mad at myself when i dump components to make backpack space and forget to replace them before a quest where i need to cast jump or FOM, etc. I don't expect a ranger to put all the buffs ont he whole party but they should be at minimum be able to self-buff resists, jump, poison, FOM and wand whip remove disease if they don't load the spell. Heck they can use a poison wand if they don't want to carry the spell or components!


...Dex build TR pure ranger 17 with decent CON and STR.

Fair enough it might be too much to ask for those rangers who dump wis to buff an entire party. I do it cause i can, i have 550 + sp cause of build and items. And rangers should be at least able to buff themselves with those spells. I also remmeber instances where mid level rangers where asking for resists, not cause they had no sp left but cause they put another spell into the slot.
And yes, you are correct - there are tons of shrines in Shroud. No excuse to not be able to switch spells.

[CaptainCameo]

I wouldn't expect them to have potions for neu. poison, but I would expect a ranger to have neu. poison as a spell, or at least a proof against poison item. But you know, if others are passing it out, why not let them pass it to you?

[Sweyn]

why not let them pass it to you?

Cause you can get it yourself?

[Morlen]

Cause you can get it yourself?

While I agree it is a good idea to carry your own poison pots, I completely disagree and hate it when people get angry about someone asking for a remove poison. Why do you have to drink a pot when you're in a party and there is someone who carries the spell and has the SP to buff?

[amethystdragon]

Is it possilbe that the ranger never learned how to switch spells at the shrine?

The begining quest does not really go over that, and if no one has explained it to them, how are they gonna know.

[NaturalHazard]

If i see people with the poisened icon over their heads i will cast neut on them, if I can. But if you can cast the spell yourself, and really dont have a great need for something else in that spell slot then I think you should be able to cast it on yourself or have a wand scroll if not a pot for it.

[Glenalth]

It took me aback a little in shroud to be asked by the level 20 pure AA ranger for FOM and neut poison. I asked him what level 4 spell he used instead of fom and he answered the summons?

He's even dumber than that.

4th level spells...
Cure Serious, Freedom of Movement, Mass Longstrider, Summon Nature's Ally 4

Choose 4.

[shores11]

It took me aback a little in shroud to be asked by the level 20 pure AA ranger for FOM and neut poison. I asked him what level 4 spell he used instead of fom and he answered the summons? Apparently its crucial to his playstlye? Each to his own but I didnt understand why he didnt swap it out at the part 1 shrine for fom then put it back to the summons after the quest?

As a ranger I think of it as my duty to not only hand out the barkskin to the monks/ pallys/fighters with the ac builds. But to also hand out the neut poisen, resists, and fom if needed.

I got a bauble i can put fom bark neut and resists on the whole raid and still have a full sp bar even if I dont use the shrine.

I agree that it is borderline gimpy play for this player not to be prepared. I certainly carry all of these spells on my ranger and rarely ever ask for any buffs as I can buff myself just fine.

However I will counter one of your points that it is a rangers job to buff the party with the spells you mentioned above. Most ranger players will carry between 300-400 SP, I personally have approximately 340 or so. I will throw out a barkskin to the melee fighters or at least the ones that have a decent AC already as a character with 25 AC is not going to benefit from a barkskin. Because my SP is not all that great I will usually start a quest after buffing with a little less than half of my SP bar left. I use this for a quick heal or refresh buff if I havn't made it to another shrine just yet.

After all I did not roll up a ranger to buff a party although like I said I often help a little but I will never provide all the buffs you mentioned.

[Hadrian]

There are all sorts of builds out there. Try not to judge someone by what you expect from their icons.

Granted, it takes little effort to buff yourself with a few basic ranger spells, but we've all done stupid things like forget to buy components or switch spells when goofing off and forget to switch them back.

Also, sometimes people min/max to an extreme degree and might really only be built to do DPS. As long as they do fill their intended role well, I see no reason to give them a hard time about something trivial. It takes two seconds to cast FOM on someone, and I probably have 3-4 times as many SPs as he does. I can see if someone built purely for DPS wants to reserve his SPs for combat.

Think of him as a barbarian, and wait to give him a hard time until he fails at that.

[NaturalHazard]

Well I think of it as "my" key word being my duty to do that if asked, not every rangers duty, sorry i should of been clearer about that.

[NaturalHazard]

There are all sorts of builds out there. Try not to judge someone by what you expect from their icons.

Granted, it takes little effort to buff yourself with a few basic ranger spells, but we've all done stupid things like forget to buy components or switch spells when goofing off and forget to switch them back.

Also, sometimes people min/max to an extreme degree and might really only be built to do DPS. As long as they do fill their intended role well, I see no reason to give them a hard time about something trivial. It takes two seconds to cast FOM on someone, and I probably have 3-4 times as many SPs as he does. I can see if someone built purely for DPS wants to reserve his SPs for combat.

Think of him as a barbarian, and wait to give him a hard time until he fails at that.

He was an AA, so he would have mental toughness yeah? And where would he use his sp for combate? hes not a paladin with dps boostig spells with short cool downs to ect to cast? componants where not the issue. Sure I dont mind heres your fom, but if you die get debuffed dont expect me to be able to recast it on you while we are in the thick of things. Thats the advantage of being able to do it yourself, and I dont think hes going to lose much by having FOM memorized in this case.

[cpito]

I wouldn't expect them to have potions for neu. poison

Sorry but Neut. Poison pots should be standard equipment if you don't have a dedicated Proof against Poison item.

blah blah blah

Hey Morlen, there are these potions they sell at special vendors just for the purpose of not having to stand by the shrine for 20 minutes buffing your nooberific butt. Peech may have mana to spare but she's much rather spend her time killing stuff and busting guildies balls!

Besides, who worries about poison when Mass Heal is so prevelent? Only noobs who can't stay in healing range!

[Hadrian]

He was an AA, so he would have mental toughness yeah? And where would he use his sp for combate? hes not a paladin with dps boostig spells with short cool downs to ect to cast? componants where not the issue. Sure I dont mind heres your fom, but if you die get debuffed dont expect me to be able to recast it on you while we are in the think of things. Thats the advantage of being able to do it yourself, and I dont think hes going to lose much by having FOM memorized in this case.

It doesn't really matter. Some people are just out to have fun, and he's apparently one of them. I mean, I don't often expect an AA to be a contributing party member in the first place.

As long as he didn't cause a problem, it's probably best to just let him play how he wants. You'll enjoy PUGs a lot more if you just accept that you're going to see a lot of random builds and build ideas. Even if you *know* it's a bad idea, the quest isn't that hard in the first place and it's not worth the drama.

Maybe he was using his spell points to heal his pets. Sounds like the perfect use!

[NaturalHazard]

It doesn't really matter. Some people are just out to have fun, and he's apparently one of them. I mean, I don't often expect an AA to be a contributing party member in the first place.

As long as he didn't cause a problem, it's probably best to just let him play how he wants. You'll enjoy PUGs a lot more if you just accept that you're going to see a lot of random builds and build ideas. Even if you *know* it's a bad idea, the quest isn't that hard in the first place and it's not worth the drama.

Maybe he was using his spell points to heal his pets. Sounds like the perfect use!

Thank god he didnt summon any in part 2 and 3 lolz, oh well ok.

Dude im from khyber we live on drama...... or is it live for drama?

[jcTharin]

It took me aback a little in shroud to be asked by the level 20 pure AA ranger for FOM and neut poison. I asked him what level 4 spell he used instead of fom and he answered the summons? Apparently its crucial to his playstlye? Each to his own but I didnt understand why he didnt swap it out at the part 1 shrine for fom then put it back to the summons after the quest?

As a ranger I think of it as my duty to not only hand out the barkskin to the monks/ pallys/fighters with the ac builds. But to also hand out the neut poisen, resists, and fom if needed.

I got a bauble i can put fom bark neut and resists on the whole raid and still have a full sp bar even if I dont use the shrine.

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Rangers at level 20 get 4 level 4 spell slots. There are only 4 level 4 ranger spells.

This confounds me. It can’t be because he doesn't have the wisdom to cast level 4 spells, he said he can use the summon.

Did he forget to fill that last spell slot? The game sends you a warning if you don't have all your spell slots filed.

Was he out of sp? That’s the only possible reason I can think of.