poor play

[moops]

Whew. . .
And this is why I prefer to solo heal shroud, I'd slash my wrists if on one of my runs the other healers asked me to wait while they jumped in trees or pools.

Read the LFM OP--if you don't know what it means, ask first.

And yes, any of my gimps could take down Harry at 10%--after all, once he is debuffed is a pretty tame fellow

Jeez didnt you read any of the past 500 Sarlona shroud threads?

English isn't the OP's native language, so perhaps he misread the LFM notice.

Hmmm. . fail, he came here and posted in plain English, better than mine. Every Foreign player I know who does not know hardly any English knows what basic game lingo is.

[Tat2Freak]

...I'm just wondering when a lot of the good players i see posting here became such complete ****** bags...

p.s. maybe all you jaded OGs need to try something...like a new game...

[Gunga]

Rif

[moops]

...I'm just wondering when a lot of the good players i see posting here became such complete ****** bags...

p.s. maybe all you jaded OGs need to try something...like a new game...

I dont think that it is jaded to expect someone to read the LFM that I put up, and to follow the way I want to lead a Raid. I bring new people to raids all the time, and when I have new people I explain everything as well as I can while still keeping the pace that I want to run.

The simple solution is that if someone doe not want to run a quest/raid the way the LFM is stated, is for for them to start THEIR OWN LFM.

[Tat2Freak]

...all I'm gonna say is I been here for 4 years...and I don't like the direction, I see the vast majority of the leaders going...do you know how The Masque of the Red Death ends?

[Gunga]

do you know how The Masque of the Red Death ends?

I'm thinking red deathy?

[thisgamesull]

...I'm just wondering when a lot of the good players i see posting here became such complete ****** bags...

p.s. maybe all you jaded OGs need to try something...like a new game...

I have to agree with this guy you vets need to stop acting like ur **** don't stink

Im getting real tired of the attitude that "good players" seem to have all the time
Im leet so ill do as I wish ******** is getting real old

This is not common practice to expect people to /death at 10% or 5%
Does it hurt to explain b4 hand that you are going to click on the shrine b4 hand?

Regardless of what the lfm says people should be forewarned

[Quikster]

...I'm just wondering when a lot of the good players i see posting here became such complete ****** bags...

p.s. maybe all you jaded OGs need to try something...like a new game...

huh?

[Gunga]

I have to agree with this guy you vets need to stop acting like ur **** don't stink

Im getting real tired of the attitude that "good players" seem to have all the time
Im leet so ill do as I wish ******** is getting real old

This is not common practice to expect people to /death at 10% or 5%
Does it hurt to explain b4 hand that you are going to click on the shrine b4 hand?

Regardless of what the lfm says people should be forewarned

So vets shouldn't expect you to have the right gear, to stay alive, to have pots or to be able to read?!

I think your selling your education a little short.

[Tat2Freak]

So vets shouldn't expect you to have the right gear, to stay alive, to have pots or to be able to read?!

I think your selling your education a little short.

I think you should go back to your server or change to my avatar already...

[moops]

...all I'm gonna say is I been here for 4 years...and I don't like the direction, I see the vast majority of the leaders going...do you know how The Masque of the Red Death ends?

And I have played since beta when we are all new to the game, since Day 1 LFMS have said ZERG--or Dungeon Crawl or Roleplay no OOC. Almost every other game I play uses the same lingo.

I dont see why we should be expected to changed now.

[Tat2Freak]

...I call it like it is, you all know that...I'm done here.

[Gunga]

I think you should go back to your server or change to my avatar already...

My avatar is as fitting for me as yours is for you.

I think your thread contains subject matter that is not unique to your server. Reading is something that everyone over 13 should be able to do. Asking a question should be part of the skill set that anyone who possesses a computer should have. Newb or N00b, this incident was easily avoidable if someone either read the lfm or asked for more info if they were uncertain.

I hate the fact that you call vets out when the leader of the party was so clearly in the right.

[thisgamesull]

So vets shouldn't expect you to have the right gear, to stay alive, to have pots or to be able to read?!

I think your selling your education a little short.

Not all players on sarlona can understand English fluently but that is not cause they are dumb,It is mostly because English is not their first language

As for them not having the right gear or being able to stay alive I fail to realize what this has to do with this topic

[Quikster]

Not all players on sarlona can understand English fluently but that is not cause they are dumb,It is mostly because English is not their first language

As for them not having the right gear or being able to stay alive I fail to realize what this has to do with this topic

If I put something in party chat, and say it in voice, thats good enough for me. If they dont understand either, I dont lose any sleep over it, even if that means they get locked out of the end chests and go on timer.

[Rhev]

The thing is though that as oppose to helping the guy learn the lingo and such. Most just flame him, and move on. I've played since beta as well (although have taken breaks), and the attitude has changed a lot. It reminds me of WoW more and more each day.

[thisgamesull]

If I put something in party chat, and say it in voice, thats good enough for me. If they dont understand either, I dont lose any sleep over it, even if that means they get locked out of the end chests and go on timer.

I agree,And this is fair but Exactly how much can you put in a comment in an LFM?
You cant put much I have no idea exactly what the LFM said So there is not much to go on about, but If you say in party chat that you are going to do this then you gave warning which is completely fair to do as you have said

[Gunga]

The thing is though that as oppose to helping the guy learn the lingo and such. Most just flame him, and move on. I've played since beta as well (although have taken breaks), and the attitude has changed a lot. It reminds me of WoW more and more each day.

Rhev.

Listen carefully.

The guy said ZERG. /DEATH AT END. He gave implicit instructions...he wasn't holding shroud class today. He had to get his **** done so he cold move on.

Please don't be deliberately obtuse...this is not about attitude. It's about a leader of a raid being allowed to run it his way without being judged by you.

[Samadhi]

I dont think that it is jaded to expect someone to read the LFM that I put up, and to follow the way I want to lead a Raid. I bring new people to raids all the time, and when I have new people I explain everything as well as I can while still keeping the pace that I want to run.

The simple solution is that if someone doe not want to run a quest/raid the way the LFM is stated, is for for them to start THEIR OWN LFM.

If I put something in party chat, and say it in voice, thats good enough for me. If they dont understand either, I dont lose any sleep over it, even if that means they get locked out of the end chests and go on timer.

I think these two quotes pretty much cover it.

What is sadder?

A) The player wanting to tear out his hair, because on 78%** of the LFM's with explicitly stated "who/what/wheres" some random (english-speaking) person joins and completely disregards what is posted?

- or -

B) The player so arrogant that he thinks he doesn't need to read how the party leader wants to run things, and that he can join and do w/e the **** he wants?



**This was the actual statistic I figured out for the runs I did today while leveling my TR. The best of which was a Chain of Flames run (LFM Comments: "Self-Sufficient Zergers Only, In Progress, Know Way to Quest"). 5 people had hit the LFM before I made it to the quest entrance. Before I hit the first shrine, the other players were talking amongst themselves, and it was apparent that NONE of them were positive on how to get to the quest (although two had "an idea"). PUG4 was actively trying to convince other members of the party to go loot bloodstone/greaves chests instead of going to the quest (and was already in encounter area so I couldn't boot him). PUG3 called me a ****y jerk and DC'd when I suggested that PUG4 come to the quest that was advertised instead of doing his own thing. PUG's 2, 5, and 6 made it to the quest around the time I finished using the second shrine (I'm on a bard too, not a caster/cleric that can AOE spam through it). PUG4 made it to the greaves chest about the time that the quest was completed. Throw up an LFM yourself. Just do it. The inability of people to read pretty simple and obvious things, even though they are clearly and fluently speaking English as their native tongue, is far more of a detriment to the game than the attitudes that result from this idiocy.

[Rhev]

Rhev.

Listen carefully.

The guy said ZERG. /DEATH AT END. He gave implicit instructions...he wasn't holding shroud class today. He had to get his **** done so he cold move on.

Please don't be deliberately obtuse...this is not about attitude. It's about a leader of a raid being allowed to run it his way without being judged by you.

Hope I quoted right. I don't come on forums too often. I wasn't arguing the "read the lfm." I agree enough that ppl should read them. We've all had trouble with this at some point. I was just pointing out that many of the older players have developed an attitude. If that wasn't clear I apologize. The thing is many folks forget this a game we all enjoy. No need to be at each others throats over it. I'm friends with most of you from this whole post. Though I don't always agree with ya'll I try to keep civil. This is kinda what I was trying to point out. So, I meant no offense, and hope I clarified a bit for ya'll. Thank you much. Also, adding that yea I wasn't talking about the OP, but at this point this thread is very much derailed anyhow.