Please Critique My Stick Rogue Build

[Firepants]

Here's what I have:

Big Dummy
Level 20 Chaotic Good Half-Orc Male
(7 Barbarian \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    28
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    28
Bluff                -2                     0
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy            -2                     0
Disable Device        4                    25
Haggle               -2                     0
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  4                    18
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  9                    30
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         4                    18
Open Lock             6                    27
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     2
Search                4                    25
Spot                  3                    22
Swim                  5                    10
Tumble                6                    27
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III

I'm basically looking for any input on the build itself, I'm not particularly worried about gear as this toon is a TR from a 13rog/7mnk stick fighter so gear is already waiting for me.

[t0r012]

nothing wrong that i can see just a few questions.
with the option available I'm wondering why you didn't go with UMD?
why not fighter 6 for kensai and feats to tack in THF line? yeah glancings can draw aggro but extra beef from fighter should make that a non issue.

going fighter6 kensai (double bonus for 2hf weapon) and str Ap line also allows the use of Monk for windstanceI attack speed, centered meaning some 1d6 ki strikes(or 4 added base damage if you just use earth I strike), bonus feat and wisdom bonus to AC , leaving 13 rogue for sneak damage.

nothing wrong with your barb/rogue if your building for, just seems the rogue/fighter/monk would have a bite more synergy and damage and defense potential. also allow you to squeak in a ton more feats. stunning blow namely, since you are using a blunt weapon.

[OldAquarian]

Not sure why you skipped Frenzied Berserker
Consider Barb 6/Fighter 1 for the extra feat

Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons seems unneeded

With 1 Fighter and dropping this: you could add Cleave (for FB) and Stunning Blow

Also I would recommend taking extra rage, since you may have to dismiss rage for trapskills

Since you are going to be immune to falling down, you might not need such a high balance skill
You also might not need all the sneak attack enhancements given your high strength

[OldAquarian]

going fighter6 kensai (double bonus for 2hf weapon) and str Ap line also allows the use of Monk for windstanceI attack speed, centered meaning some 1d6 ki strikes(or 4 added base damage if you just use earth I strike), bonus feat and wisdom bonus to AC , leaving 13 rogue for sneak damage.

nothing wrong with your barb/rogue if your building for, just seems the rogue/fighter/monk would have a bite more synergy and damage and defense potential. also allow you to squeak in a ton more feats. stunning blow namely, since you are using a blunt weapon.

13 Rogue/6 Fighter/1 Monk build here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=281216

[Firepants]

I've actually been considering dropping what THF feats I do have as glancing blows don't interest me for extra damage output, it just doesn't work as well with my play style. So, if I were to drop the THF feats, does Stunning Blow and an extra Toughness make sense?

Also, I've already started leveling the toon so swapping to fighter from barb isn't going to work out. Plus I like raging up for big hits during boss battles etc.

[OldAquarian]

I've actually been considering dropping what THF feats I do have as glancing blows don't interest me for extra damage output, it just doesn't work as well with my play style. So, if I were to drop the THF feats, does Stunning Blow and an extra Toughness make sense?

Also, I've already started leveling the toon so swapping to fighter from barb isn't going to work out. Plus I like raging up for big hits during boss battles etc.

Could you explain how glancing blows doesn't work with your playstyle?

There are some enemies that are immune to SA, having Glancing blows will help in those cases and cases where there are multiple enemies.

You can take 1 fighter for the feat and get Frenzied and Stunning Blow

[Geonis]

Mine is currently level 19 and sitting at 12 Rog/Monk 7 with 1 more Rog level to go.

To my knowledge, the 3% Doublestrike from the new Rog feat and 5% from Wind 2 should stack, for a total of 8% Doublestrike.....

You also get 3 feats from Monk (use 1 for Dodge to get Ninja Spy), Healing Amp2, Shadow Fade from Ninja Spy and an additional 1d6 Sneak Atk.

Can't say I have been disappointed in the least.


Edit- Oh, and I do have the whole THF line, and the glancing blows are worth the investment. Besides, what else would I be taking.

[Firepants]

Could you explain how glancing blows doesn't work with your playstyle?

There are some enemies that are immune to SA, having Glancing blows will help in those cases and cases where there are multiple enemies.

You can take 1 fighter for the feat and get Frenzied and Stunning Blow

Well, when he was 7mnk/13rog, the glancing blow damage didn't seem to really amount to much of anything. On average it'd be an extra 10 or so points which doesn't amount to a hill of beans in epics while drawing aggro from surrounding mobs. The way I have him kitted out is to reduce as much aggro as possible so that I'm not taking hits from anything I'm not attacking and to not steal aggro from a main tank (granted, with a quarterstaff, good luck on that) so that I keep my SA damage rolling in. Aside from constructs/undead/elementals, I haven't seen very many mobs immune to SA at epic and this toon is definitely specced for party play and not solo.

Stunning blow would help a ton if it procs right as I'll get max DPS on the one mob I'm fighting.

Frenzied I doesn't seem worthwhile in this build but I'm open to suggestions there. By reading the description it just doesn't seem to make a difference until you get up higher in the tiers. If this isn't the case please explain, I'd like to know more on its value.

[Firepants]

Here's what I came up with using your suggestions OA:

Big Dummy
Level 20 Chaotic Good Half-Orc Male
(1 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    28
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    27
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        4                    24
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  4                    17
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  9                    27
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         4                    17
Open Lock             6                    26
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    24
Spot                  3                    21
Swim                  5                     9
Tumble                6                    26
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II

[OldAquarian]

Changes to Glancing Blow from U7:
1) Glancing Blows no longer scale with Base Attack Bonus, and start at a base of 20% weapon damage.
2) Enhancements and feats that modify the Glancing Blow damage multiplier now function.
3) The Two Handed Fighting chain has been modified to add 10% to glancing blow weapon damage per tier, and the chance to produce special weapon effects has been increased to 3% per tier. They no longer grant to-hit bonuses for Glancing Blows.

Notice the part (item 2) about Glancing Blow now working
Not suprised you were underwhelmed

I believe Frenzied will also add 10% to Glancing Damage

As to Frenzy - when the time is right - it's nice to go all out

[OldAquarian]

Here's what I came up with using your suggestions OA:

Might want the following Feats/Levels

1Rogue: Toughness
2 Barb
3 Barb : Power Attack
4 Barb
5 Barb
6 Barb : Cleave
7 Barb
8 Fighter : Stunning Blow
9 Rogue : Imp Crit : Bludgeon
10 Rogue
11 Rogue
12 Rogue : THF
13 Rogue
14 Rogue
15 Rogue : Imp THF
16 Rogue
17 Rogue
18 Rogue : Greater THF
19 Rogue
20 Rogue

Rogue: Imp Evasion/Opportunist

Put THF at the end, in case you decide you don't want it, also by then tanks should be able to hold agro

Also, drop your Balance to take MAX UMD

[unbongwah]

Why so much DEX? You're not a TWF or AC build; it's not a pre-req for anything you're taking as far as I can tell. I would lower it for more CON and/or INT.

Definitely go for max ranks in UMD; lower Balance & Jump for the pts if need be.

I would take the fighter splash & Stunning Blow a lot sooner; might as well start enjoying SB right away. I would probably also intersperse your rogue levels a bit more to maximize your skill pts; like 1 rogue lvl every 2 or 3 barb lvls.

[Firepants]

Also, drop your Balance to take MAX UMD

I'm gonna ride out the balance until I get Thief-Acrobat 2 then LR and restructure for UMD. I just hate getting freakin tripped every 2 seconds by dogs

Why so much DEX? You're not a TWF or AC build; it's not a pre-req for anything you're taking as far as I can tell. I would lower it for more CON and/or INT.

Good point.

[kernal42]

Why so much DEX? You're not a TWF or AC build; it's not a pre-req for anything you're taking as far as I can tell. I would lower it for more CON and/or INT.

Thief-Acrobat (I or II?) adds dex modifier to SA damage with qstaffs. 14 seems like a good starting dex to boost damage, ref saves, and relevant skills.

-Kernal

[Mistycball]

I love this built,i prove it and i have one problem i dont know which staff is better...the new Qstaff of the cronosphere(in which case i must to rebuild the toon) the mindsunder Qstaff with impact(one feat less to take) or force burst, or a green steel Qstaff.... always works well dreamspitter i know but i have some dudes about others....

What do you think??

Thx for the replies