Raid Loot Idea

[butlerfamilywa]

Ok, flame away but if this was implemented, we'd have a heck of a lot of an easier time getting the named items that we actually want, instead of vendoring 5+ Bard's Cloaks before we see a pair of Tharne's Goggles for example.

Quest givers for each raid has the ability to exchange 2 or 3 named items from the raid that they give, into any named raid item that you choose. The system of interaction is already in the game, example would be the Mabar Event.

Instead of requiring a set group of items, it can list that it requires 2 (for minor raid named items such as bracers from reaver, ect ect), up to 4 (for major named items, such as litany, madstone boots, tharne's goggles, sword of shadow, ect) to exchange into the item you want.

Meaning, that for those of us who have certain characters with 40+ completions of a raid, without getting the named item that were aiming for (namely litany, sword of shadow, ect ect), it would allow us to collect junk named items from the raid that we want our item from, and exchange them for things we can use.

Would be a hell of a lot easier, cheaper on manpower, and more widely accepted, than any other raid loot suggestion i've seen so far.

But that would lead to more "OMG The barbarian took the staff of the petitioner!"
But that would lead to more "OMG Maybe he's planning on a TR, Completionist, or Item Exchange!"


Just a thought... flame away.

[ToKu]

As I mentioned in the other post, this would have a negative side effect on pugs and maybe in general. What incentive would I have to put up a drop I have no interest in for roll, if I can just keep it and use it to exchange for a item I do want?

[butlerfamilywa]

Yes you did, so I offer this idea in exchange.



On your 20th completion of any raid, 1 item given is always "Essence of <Insert Raid Name>" When combined in the Stone of Change with any Raid loot from that Raid quest, allows you to exchange it for any Raid item of your choice, from that Raid.


I would happly exchange a ToD ring for another, or even an Enduring Conviction for a litany, or a bard's cloak for a tharne's goggles...

That work for ya?

[karnokvolrath]

Yes you did, so I offer this idea in exchange.



On your 20th completion of any raid, 1 item given is always "Essence of <Insert Raid Name>" When combined in the Stone of Change with any Raid loot from that Raid quest, allows you to exchange it for any Raid item of your choice, from that Raid.


I would happly exchange a ToD ring for another, or even an Enduring Conviction for a litany, or a bard's cloak for a tharne's goggles...

That work for ya?

Thats no differnt from how it is now other then basically increasing the drop rate to 100% on a 20th.

You missing the point....items would NEVER go up for roll for non guildies EVER AGAIN if what you are saying was imnplemented.

[butlerfamilywa]

Thats no differnt from how it is now other then basically increasing the drop rate to 100% on a 20th.

You missing the point....items would NEVER go up for roll for non guildies EVER AGAIN if what you are saying was imnplemented.

Which like I said, leads to a lot of issues of ZOMG, the barby took the caster item.

Like I said, putting 2 months on a single character (if not more, looking for groups, waiting till you have time to play, ect), to get your 20th completion, is a huge investment on one character. I have friends who play casually, and have been doing so for 2+ years, and still don't have 20 completions, because they do not always play the same toons.


I do say however, TOMES not be included. 99% of my toons only run raids for Tomes. I've placed plenty of time in the game to get the majority of the items I want for my characters, and a lot of raids do not offer items I want at all (Hound for example). There is no reason for me on any of my toons to run hound on anything but Hard or Elite, except for completions for the chance at +3 tomes. I still run them, and so do others.

It all boils down to "your loot is your loot"

You run a raid quest 20 times, I can 99.9% promise you will at least pull 1 item that no one in the raid wants, which is an easy trade for something you do need, when you get your 20th run. VoD for example, the Bard's Cloak, or Hound with the chainshirt of crippling, titan with the shining cresents, reaver with the treason, VoN with the caster necklaces that no one EVER wants, ToD, I can name a few ring sets no one will ever use, Abbot, the dang robes, only a pale master could use them.. ect ect ect

[ToKu]

Which like I said, leads to a lot of issues of ZOMG, the barby took the caster item.

Like I said, putting 2 months on a single character (if not more, looking for groups, waiting till you have time to play, ect), to get your 20th completion, is a huge investment on one character. I have friends who play casually, and have been doing so for 2+ years, and still don't have 20 completions, because they do not always play the same toons.


I do say however, TOMES not be included. 99% of my toons only run raids for Tomes. I've placed plenty of time in the game to get the majority of the items I want for my characters, and a lot of raids do not offer items I want at all (Hound for example). There is no reason for me on any of my toons to run hound on anything but Hard or Elite, except for completions for the chance at +3 tomes. I still run them, and so do others.

It all boils down to "your loot is your loot"

You run a raid quest 20 times, I can 99.9% promise you will at least pull 1 item that no one in the raid wants, which is an easy trade for something you do need, when you get your 20th run. VoD for example, the Bard's Cloak, or Hound with the chainshirt of crippling, titan with the shining cresents, reaver with the treason, VoN with the caster necklaces that no one EVER wants, ToD, I can name a few ring sets no one will ever use, Abbot, the dang robes, only a pale master could use them.. ect ect ect

Then comes another issue, what if you get bad luck on loot alltogeather? I have been running ToD every timer for a good 2 months now and never personally won a ring, ever, of any kind. I have mine though becuase someone did not need theirs and I won the roll.

If your system was in place and my luck continued, I could hit my 20th and still not have a ring to exchange, and there would be no incentive whatsoever for anyone to pass loot they cant use because they can eventually change it out themselves.

The origional thread this originated from was about the lack of loot alltogeather. All this change would do would be to create a negative impact on our current limited resource system because all loot would have value to all players. Right now only some loot has value to me, the rest I have no second thoughts about passing because its worthless to me.

[karnokvolrath]

I suposse i understand what your saying but your expecting people to police themselves, prolly not gonna happen, not in pugs anyway.

You idea will crush the pug world of the casual gamer because the 3-4 people in most pug raids that carry the others to the endchests will no longer be there, they will be running guild only.

To an extent is already like that but the pug scene isnt to bad if you pay attention, you idea would just leave the the people getting carried to lead (maybe a good thing, shrug).


P.S. Any new toon i make i go out of my way to flag/complete on timer for any raid i can as soon as i can, then by the time your running epics for a little while your 20ths will all be coming soon and usally 20th on the bulk on the raids will give you enough for sure raid loot to be respectable at what you do (in theory).

and there would be no incentive whatsoever for anyone to pass loot they cant use because they can eventually change it out themselves.
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This.

[butlerfamilywa]

Then if that is an issue, 20th/40th/60th/80th completion item rewards could be tagged with an "exchangeable" or some such flag. Named loot dropped in a random chest wouldn't be.

Easy way to see this, is store purchased items, vs found in chest items.

If you purchase a Lesser Heart, it is Bound to Character. If you loot a Lesser Heart (currently), it is Unbound.

By setting it up this way, you would only be able to exchange raid loot received on your 20th completion, and the essence you receive on your next 20th completion, for the raid item you want.

MOST of the time, you will have the item you need well before your 40th raid completion, however there are some characters out there currently on their 80th + completion, that still haven't gotten the one specific item they've wanted.

OR, they could just change the 20th raid loot list. 1 Raid loot item, called "Essence of <Insert Raid Name>" When crunched in the Stone of Change, converts into any 1 named item from said raid. Also in your 20th completion lists will be your tomes that you have a chance of looting, as well as items that are +1 level over the level of the raid on Elite, max level 20 item. That would also work, giving folks the ability, after 2+ months of grinding a certain raid, to get an item that they want. I could also see doing this for Epics, after 5 completions of a certain RAID, or End Quest of Epic (Setinals/House P), you are given an essense, which you can exchange in the epic altar for a scroll/seal/shard of that area, (desert, von, house p, house d, chorno) that you want, however you would only be able to get the base item, on the 20th completion with a 20 essence.

They currently have house D setup to where after 3 completions, you're given a list of 75% of the named item drops.


Just a thought, because seriously, the way they have it currently, seriously needs a re-work.