shroud.... faster?

[Chai]

Shouldn't really expect a fast run when u join a pug... If u want fast runs join a raiding userchat channel or run mainly with friends who know what they are doing or guildies... I just came back from a break and I am still amazed at how many lvl 20's have no idea what they are doing half the time... completely boggles my mind that they can be that lvl and have no clue what so ever....

I hate the repetition and grind as much as the next person, but kinda what u should expect in a pug.... For me at least tho, I would prefer running a shroud no matter how long it takes as long as it is at least semi fun or entertaining rather than running a speed shroud run where no one so much as says one word.... just me tho

I agree, but on the converse, I also am amazed at the number of people that think that level 20 indicates someone should automatically know whats up. This is one of the reasons why people will toss a 12 person PUG together, and have high expectations, which can so either way. When it goes south, we see these posts on the forums that say more people should just know the raid, know how to build, etc...

[LazyTigerLily]

I agree, but on the converse, I also am amazed at the number of people that think that level 20 indicates someone should automatically know whats up. This is one of the reasons why people will toss a 12 person PUG together, and have high expectations, which can so either way. When it goes south, we see these posts on the forums that say more people should just know the raid, know how to build, etc...

Seconded! I have a (as in one) level 20 toon and I do not consider myself a seasoned vet by any means. I have only run shroud 9 times ever, I learn new techniques/strategies with each run. Expecting the same level of skill or knowledge from me as someone who has run it 120 times (on one toon) is absolutely unreasonable. Just having a level 20 toon does not automatically mean you know what you're doing

[k1ngp1n]

We already finished, you took too long to get in.

No!!!! My precious scales!! I needz them!

[Hadrian]

People should practice zerging more, if only to see how often you dont really need any buffs (whether you enjoy zerging or not, it does give you some perspective as to the time value of buffing).

You know that I am all for that, but still it's probably inappropriate to join some random LFM and expect everyone in it to just go along and run it how you want them to.

I mean, do it in a prepared group that knows what's up, but don't pop into a random one, zerg, fall on your face, then complain about your group.

This kind of thing doesn't help to make people want to speed up their Shroud runs.

[gfunk]

You know that I am all for that, but still it's probably inappropriate to join some random LFM and expect everyone in it to just go along and run it how you want them to.

I mean, do it in a prepared group that knows what's up, but don't pop into a random one, zerg, fall on your face, then complain about your group.

This kind of thing doesn't help to make people want to speed up their Shroud runs.

c'mon tenzeck... you know I don't pug shroud, sheesh.

[Hadrian]

c'mon tenzeck... you know I don't pug shroud, sheesh.

You know I am speaking (typing) generally :P

Those people who can't handle the pace they try to set are just as bad as the people who need every buff in the world before they'll take a step. Both can make pug runs take longer if not fail.

[sirgog]

People just need more perspective on when a buff is actually neccesary. I mean, just because you are going to be taking acid damge (for example) doesn't neccesarily mean you need acid resist. Lots of groups don't need fire resist even in parts 4/5.. really. People should practice zerging more, if only to see how often you dont really need any buffs (whether you enjoy zerging or not, it does give you some perspective as to the time value of buffing).

Fire resist is pretty important in part 4. Even a 500hp melee can be ripped apart by a Meteor Swarm without one (400 average damage if all saves are failed, 280 if you have 30 resist fire and fail all saves).

No other buffs are really needed in part 4 except for Haste, a FoM on one of the healers and (if available) Inspire Courage, although as being held hurts DPS output quite a bit, it's probably worth having the bard and/or divines FoM as many people as they can.

At the very least, everyone needs a Fire Resist 20 or 30 potion.

[elricken]

Blah, lack of reading comprehension ftl.

Nevermind

[rodallec]

tried the "speedrun" lfm method...
lots of people looked at portals..
and the anchor jumped out of the blades in part4

i dont want to sound elitist im willing to teach what i know.
but i need to know if they want to learn or are new to a quest

haha

[sirgog]

tried the "speedrun" lfm method...
lots of people looked at portals..
and the anchor jumped out of the blades in part4

i dont want to sound elitist im willing to teach what i know.
but i need to know if they want to learn or are new to a quest

haha

Did you post some version of 'strictly no D-Door'? That weeds out more of the people with only one mid-high level toon (who tend to be the ones with least Shroud zerging experience)

[Adoraro]

Sadly, many new people get altitis early on and then continue with their multiple "first" gimped toons (often due to a desire to test out all the classes). We can only hope they will work their characters harder next time. I know I suffered from this when I played in Europe, moving to US servers made for a nice clean slate.

[lumes]

tried the "speedrun" lfm method...
lots of people looked at portals..
and the anchor jumped out of the blades in part4

i dont want to sound elitist im willing to teach what i know.
but i need to know if they want to learn or are new to a quest

haha

gods that run was horrible

wish we had noticed who had been casting the grease...so the healer woulda known not to center on him...could have at least been a successful (although not smooth) run had the center not jumped outta the blades or someone else had been the center

[rodallec]

Did you post some version of 'strictly no D-Door'? That weeds out more of the people with only one mid-high level toon (who tend to be the ones with least Shroud zerging experience)

no we usually say at about 20% leave now find a way out this was a zerg remember. etc
then hit altar and get angry people anyway..

OH and that same run did have a greaser! hahahah

apparently my guildies (4) did a 26 min pug shroud with 8 pugs today.
perhaps people are reading this!
great job for a sarlona shroud guys

[lumes]

my point was that the greaser WAS the one the jumped outta the blades causing the wipe

[Gunga]

Weekend warrior pug: 40+ minutes

Complete pug weekday: 35-40 minutes

Mostly good players some pugs: 25-35 minutes

A-Team fast run: 20-25 minutes

Coordinated speed run: less than 20 minutes

[sirgog]

Weekend warrior pug: 40+ minutes

Complete pug weekday: 35-40 minutes

Mostly good players some pugs: 25-35 minutes

A-Team fast run: 20-25 minutes

Coordinated speed run: less than 20 minutes

Change that to:

Weekend Warriors: 10% chance of group breaking up in part 2, 25% chance of part 4 wipe, otherwise 50+ minutes. Sometimes you lose a bunch after a terrible part 4 where ten people die and two people duo Harry from ~30%, leading people to quit.
Weekday PUG: 5% chance of part 4 wipe, otherwise 40-60 minutes
Half channel/guild, half PUG: 30 minutes
All guild, semi-speed: 22 minutes
Absolute speedrun: ~15 minutes, plus 30 minutes to organise it, 5% chance to muck up and need to restart after a badly timed Lieutenant kill.

Edit: If it's an Elite run, one category slower.

[GregorianPL]

Usually shroud takes about 40 minutes i never done it faster than 30few... ppl dont know what to do, have to low dps, dies,not coordinated killing in pt 2, noone on crystal, doesnt run with water,cant solve puzzles even if you give them solver page... a lot of afking in shroud... healers are dumb dont know how to heal and also ppl finish out before we kill harry in part 5 thats all usually isues ah by the way sometimes caster doesnt clean map.... and you can fail in part 1 ! i saw that few times and im never gonna take some guys again to my group, ppl doesnt use forums... so threads like that doesnt have a sens of existing

[rodallec]

Usually shroud takes about 40 minutes i never done it faster than 30few... ppl dont know what to do, have to low dps, dies,not coordinated killing in pt 2, noone on crystal, doesnt run with water,cant solve puzzles even if you give them solver page... a lot of afking in shroud... healers are dumb dont know how to heal and also ppl finish out before we kill harry in part 5 thats all usually isues ah by the way sometimes caster doesnt clean map.... and you can fail in part 1 ! i saw that few times and im never gonna take some guys again to my group, ppl doesnt use forums... so threads like that doesnt have a sens of existing

ouch. im sorry to hear that.

ill give up on shroud soon. only run it when theres 8~ guildies on lol.

GCB's should be cheaper at the AH and
i dont wana get into the DR discussion. theyre too expensive for most people to obtain. thats if they even know about it.

[BLU3_FR0G]

I think this quest has lost the meaning of challenge and that it goes too fast!

They Need to add a more difficult part 6 where Suulo cloned himself, and you need to fight Harry a 2 Suulo and they should have 2x as much HP that they have in ToD (sarcasm, but it does need to be more challenging)

I mean really, It's a Lv17 quest and I have seen LFM's up for 18-20, and it wasn't that they were lazy and didn't change the range they want fully geared toons in their PUG for this increasingly weak quest.

I's sad when the hardest thing in a quest is some floor puzzles...

[Dragonhyde]

I think this quest has lost the meaning of challenge and that it goes too fast!

They Need to add a more difficult part 6 where Suulo cloned himself, and you need to fight Harry a 2 Suulo and they should have 2x as much HP that they have in ToD (sarcasm, but it does need to be more challenging)

I mean really, It's a Lv17 quest and I have seen LFM's up for 18-20, and it wasn't that they were lazy and didn't change the range they want fully geared toons in their PUG for this increasingly weak quest.

I's sad when the hardest thing in a quest is some floor puzzles...

Eh they could always bring back the penalty box for 1-3 :P